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  • THE PRESUMPTIONS IN DISCOURSE AND ARGUMENT IN THE POSITIVA AND NEGATIVA TRADITIO

    THE PRESUMPTIONS IN DISCOURSE AND ARGUMENT IN THE POSITIVA AND NEGATIVA TRADITIONS

    I would rather let this conversation go forward without my interjection to let the team demonstrate their skills but to save time

    0) I use falsification. Falsification in science, evolved from falsification by contest (competition, adversarial) in european law. And falsification by adversarial competition in law is our oldest continuous political tradition after sovereignty.

    1) I do not presume people have agency, or that they have other than the minimum consciousness and self reflection and self regulation to engage in negotiation deception, parasitism and predation to minimize the costs of obtaining wants and needs by productive voluntary exchange (people only demonstrate the minimum morality necessary to act in their interests.)

    2) I do not presume that people seek truth but that people seek to justify priors, to lie, or sow social constructions for manipulation in pursuit of a discount, to engage in fraud, or to engage, or to conspire.

    3) I do not presume when I dont know the answer – I say something from the spectrum “We don’t know, I don’t know yet”, or as far as I know, or “we only know x so far”, or” we only know x so far and these possibilities are consistent with what we know so far”, or as far as I know thats false, or that can’t be true – as that is the only truthful testimony I can give.

    4) The history of all thought consists of the history of falsification of all causal claims other than realism naturalism under operationalism

    5) All alternatives, all knowledge claims that are consistent with failure of all alternatives to realism, naturalism, under operationalism, must depend on some incentive other than “we don’t know yet, but all causality will depend upon realism, naturalization under operationalism”.

    6) while we can testify to causes of real ism naturalism operationalism and empiricism including subjective testing of incentives (rational choice), we cannot possibly testify to any claim that is not dependent upon realism, naturalism, under operationalism, because we cannot claim to have that knowledge,

    7) If we can identify incentive, meaning, means motive and opportunity, for giving false testimony, by claiming the untestifiable then there is nothing else to determine – the person is lying.

    8) In other words, theology and philosophy, negotiation and chit chat (exchange of signals of safety) seek opportunity for agreement or consent by means motive and opportunity, while, mathematics, logic, science, and law seek opportunity for falsification or decidability in dispute resolution by means motive and opportunity.

    In other words, if you can’t testify to a claim you’re starting out informing, negotiating, persuading, threatening by lying. Now, in a public forum at distance without direct physical contact I can’t engage in physical punishment for lying. But as a european man, defending the informational commons, i do the best I can in by prose.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 21:16:00 UTC

  • Updated Feb 12, 2020, 7:41 PM

    Updated Feb 12, 2020, 7:41 PM


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 19:41:00 UTC

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    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 15:36:00 UTC

  • WHAT OUR PRIESTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR Reminds me of how European civilisation way

    WHAT OUR PRIESTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR

    Reminds me of how European civilisation way back to the Indo-Europeans and the various subcultures have always had a tripartite class structure, with separate functions and incentives. Is that what you’re getting at with trifunctionalism?

    — Reece Haynes

    Exactly: Priests, judges, scientists

    — Curt

    Responsible for:

    Priest – what we do not know that we do not know

    Judge – what we know that we do not know

    Scientist – what we know.

    —Luke Weinhagen


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 15:22:00 UTC

  • NO MORE WOO WOO IN COGNITIVE SCIENCE PLEASE —-“A widespread misconception in m

    NO MORE WOO WOO IN COGNITIVE SCIENCE PLEASE

    —-“A widespread misconception in much of psychology holds that as vertebrate animals evolved, ‘newer’ brain structures were added over existing ‘older’ brain structures”

    Your Brain Is Not an Onion with a Tiny Reptile Inside

    A widespread misconception in much of psychology holds that (1) as vertebrate animals evolved, “newer” brain structures were added over existing “older” brain structures and (2) these newer,….. “All vertebrates possess the same basic brain—and forebrain—regions. … [None] are evolutionarily newer in some mammals than others. … even the prefrontal cortex, a region associated with reason and action planning, is not a uniquely human structure.”— Robin Hanson @robinhanson

    A statement without meaning – there’s only one cell type in the nervous system, three subtypes, but almost countless variation that all functional regions in the brain evolved from. So what? Does that mean we can’t demarcate dramatic evolutionary leaps in function by organism?

    To say that a fish is sentient and aware is true. To say it is conscious is to demand we define the spectrum of predictive models capable for the organism, and its ability to react vs choose vs reason vs calculate vs calculate transformations of state vs calculate cooperation.

    So if the point is to clarify that the brain is just a collection of similar cells in various forms of organization, and that for all intents and purposes our brain is an outgrowth of our consciousness (modeling of our body and movement in space) yes.

    To equate sentience (feeling of changes in state), and awareness (of change instate of environment) and semi-consciousness (prediction of future states and possible reactions), consciousness (prediction of future permutations of state), to transformations of state is a leap.

    If the question is ‘who is the observer’ (which I suspect is the origin of most problems in philosophy and cognitive science) it’s memory of the last few memories recursively processed as a stream of changes in model in the hippocampal region.

    Consciousness is a verb not a noun.

    Why do I care? No more woo woo in cognitive science please. If you can’t pass the mirror test, the gesture test, sympathy test (cooperation), demonstrate natural operational grammar (language), and create multi-part tools, or enter into agreement (consent) then you’re far behind.

    The difference between the engine of a 3d video game and the human brain turns out to be terrifyingly small. We just do everything in massive parallel and at a much lower voltage and current because of it, and we do the prediction as well as the construction.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 14:47:00 UTC

  • GRACEFUL FAILURE AND KINGS 😉 —“I Never would I have considered monarchy as a

    GRACEFUL FAILURE AND KINGS 😉

    —“I Never would I have considered monarchy as a viable option then here comes Curt with his intellectual wizardry. Via negativa king with an armed populous to keep him in his lane should he go Caligula on us.”—Tyson Bay


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 14:20:00 UTC

  • PIVIOTING A BIT TO IMPROVE COMPATIBILISM (HARMONY) Bill suggests he’s pivoting t

    PIVIOTING A BIT TO IMPROVE COMPATIBILISM (HARMONY)

    Bill suggests he’s pivoting to emphasize P’s description of western civilization as ” Via-Positiva Maximum Velocity of Adaptability and Via-Negativa Graceful Failure”

    This solves many of the conflicts due to class and gender differences in ability(genetic load) and reproductive cognitive bias. This solution restores compatibilism across the class spectrum as long as our ‘markets’ are regulated by the natural law of reciprocity within the limits of proportionality (defection).

    I’m going to modify P-Compatibilism (Sociology), The Three choices of cooperation, The Three Means of Coercion, Three classes of elites to add european Trifunctionalism, and european Opportunity Maximizing Via-Positiva Maximum Velocity of Adaptability and Fault Tolerant Via-Negativa Graceful Failure. This should provide as complete a description of sociology as we have in ethics and testimony.

    What I see happening is the SN group is specializing in developing personal philosophy, and i’m working on political philosophy. Now if we can solved the damned religious problem (I think I know how btw) we’ll have the spectrum 😉

    John and I will continue to work the revolutionary and political and legal angle. Hopefully personal philosophy will continue to be a major draw.



    attn:

    Bill Joslin Brandon Hayes Martin Štěpán Alain Dwight Luke Weinhagen (and everyone else … although there are some new names I’m going to start adding to this list.)


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 14:17:00 UTC

  • DO PARADIGMS REALLY FALSIFY? WHAT DOES ORDER MEAN? OPERATIONALISM IN ACTION Bett

    DO PARADIGMS REALLY FALSIFY? WHAT DOES ORDER MEAN? OPERATIONALISM IN ACTION

    Better way of saying it: There is one most parsimonous paradigm (We call it science. Now I call it ‘P-grammar’). There is no value in false paradigms. There is only value in different attempts to solve a problem within the most parsimonious paradigm.

    (Note: my position is that language is a system of measurement, and the p-grammars identify the paradigm, and that operationalism constitutions the universal grammar. That would mean the universe is always reducible to classical description.)

    —“All paradigms are eventually false. :)”—Rick Paris

    That’s demonstrably false. Instead, we increasingly identify limits that cause us to increase the parsimony of our theories.

    All scientific paradigms appear increase in parsimony. Aristotle, Newton, and Einstein all evolve to greater precision. Take Humors (disease) and Phlogiston theory (chemistry), Einstein’s static universe(cosmology), or the expanding earth (plate tectonics). They were false but they were progress in the right direction.

    Conversely there are three categories that always fail to increase in parsimony:

    1) Magic -> Pseudoscience (action-physical)

    2) Idealism -> Philosophy (verbal-rational)

    3) Occult -> Theology (emotional-intuitionistic)

    So we have deflationary grammars of Law, Science, Logic, and Mathematics that all increase in parsimony.

    And we have inflationary grammars of magic(physical), idealism(verbal), and the occult(emotional) that fail all tests of parsimony.

    Of course we also have the outright deceits too.

    —“It is not false. The Universe is expanding, in that what is outside the current momentary paradigm is defined as the Unknown. There is always greater amounts of the Unknown shifting our perceived facts of what is known, as the Unknown is always greater < than the known. So,”No man steps into the same river twice.” is a metaphor for all physical experience. Paradigms are currently, and simply limited and only limited by belief. All paradigms are fictitious mental constructs. Attempting to measure the illogical, is useless and limited the human potential. Logic is very tedious and limits the strongest aspects of the human mind. Only the imagination (what is common sense) is the part of us that can penetrate the very fabric of the Unknown. The greatest of all human gifts is the imagination. It is the function behind all, and cannot be interpreted by logic alone .This is not based in an opinion, it is based in my own experience.”—Rick Paris

    —“Curt I think I can see/agree a little with Rick. By the very nature of biology, you will always have a body of diversity, not just in capacity, but also concerns. The big fallacy is mistaking diversity for equality and/or dismissability. There will always be a need for more peasants than kings… This doesn’t mean that worker bees should rule the give (all you get is drones if such happens)… At the same time, if the king doesn’t address with reciprocity the needs of the peasants, you leave a tinder wound and a jealous rage ready to eat the rich and a cultural cancer that no longer gives a shit. Homogeny is the cultural cream that will come to the surface given time and peace (consistent enforced reciprocity).”—Anne Summers

    This is a long standing debate, and it’s a matter of grammatical deficiency in our language, so we must state our meaning operationally to avoid sophistry.

    ONE

    Does existence persist independent of our perception? Yes.

    Does the universe demonstrate regularities independent of our perception? Yes.

    Do we define order as I did above as the intersection of periodicity and scale of resolution?

    Or do we define order as the regularities what we might potentially identify at various periodicities and scales?

    Or do we define order as dependent upon those periodicities and scales we can measure and reduce to analogy to experience?

    Or do we define order as dependent upon the periodicity and scale open to our perception at human scale?

    Or do we define order as those permutations of paradigms – networks of relations – that vary between humans despite relative invariance of human perception at human scale – such as the asian perception of the world as continuous motion(coherent world) or the european perception of the world as discreet objects (mechanistic world).

    TWO

    As for paradigms, this depends upon whether it is possible, when specifying both theory(search criteria), operations (measurement criteria) and limits (full accounting) whether we maintain progress toward the most parsimonious description or not. So, given human perception, human system of measurements, and human chosen time scale, when stating a theory, measurement, and limit, we appear to have successfully – at least in the ancient and modern worlds – slowly evolved greater precision and parsimony – in math, logic, and the sciences at least. And this is why it’s not clear than any of Aristotle, Newton, or Einstein are false at their levels of resolution. Instead it’s fairly obvious that we have just been increasing the precision of the general theory we call description of the regularities observable directly or instrumental in the universe. So if one’s definition is IDEAL then yes, theories are frequently falsified. But if one’s definition is testimonial then it certainly appears that we are continuously increasing precision and that the number of false theories is rapidly decreasing.

    So, when you attempt to refute my definition, description, and proposition which definition of order are you using?


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 14:01:00 UTC

  • WE ARE GOING TO EDUCATE YOU it is easier to educate you than to excessively dumb

    WE ARE GOING TO EDUCATE YOU

    it is easier to educate you than to excessively dumb it down.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 12:19:00 UTC

  • YOU HAVE MANY CHOICES. WE HAVE ONE. SO LEAVE If you want socialism, and open boa

    YOU HAVE MANY CHOICES. WE HAVE ONE. SO LEAVE

    If you want socialism, and open boarders, then leave – open borders work both ways. And you have a whole world offering socialism that is willing to take you. Canada alone wants 100M people in this century and there are as many as 100M of you that want Canadian Socialism. But If you want western civilization, and in particular anglo american high trust institutions, and the proceeds from them, then there is only one country left to get them. And we are going to keep it that country and those institutions, no matter what the cost – including no matter what cost to you – including the greatest cost.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 12:14:00 UTC