—“Agape (brotherly love)=Mutual cooperation is the least costly survival strategy (until it is not). Natural law.”—Shanaynay Tomson
(Notice how he transformed a via positiva into a truth statement by the simple addition of limits.)
Source date (UTC): 2017-08-04 08:43:00 UTC
God-> Universalism
Gods-> Imperialism
Ancestors-> Nationalism
That’s The Answer.
Source date (UTC): 2017-08-03 13:09:00 UTC
There are no gods. Jesus was a man. He had a simple message: stop fighting amongst yourselves over trivial things and take care of each other. Instead of trigger happy intolerance of the pastoral and slave peoples who lacked property and ability, take the opposite approach which is the extension of kinship love to non kin. That’s all he says. That’s all that matters. And it’s *a purely scientific statement*.
The ancient world had freed men from desperate dependence upon land, and allowed them to migrate to cultural capital and material capital so that their *human capital* could be put to use.
However, this transition required that people abandon the trigger sensitivity of pastoralists living on the margins and instead, ENTER THE MARKET for simple labor, and cooperate with many others that had come from different backgrounds.
So where the tower of babel presented the problem of language and the need for a common language, when craftsmen were pulled from around the new empire to create a new palace, the single, simple lesson of jesus was to provide a common *moral test* for people.
This is a primitive attempt to achieve the same effect as natural law.
The problem was not in this message. It was in EVERYTHING ELSE in christianity: which was weaponized to destroy the empire, and all of western civilization.
Source date (UTC): 2017-08-03 12:52:00 UTC
CURT, WHY DO YOU ATTACK CHRISTIANITY? (OR ALL RELIGION)
This is a great question but the answer is pretty simple.
1) I want to know if it is possible to prohibit all forms of deception in public speech, so that my high trust people can continue to practice and improve their high trust civilization.
2) There are multiple sources of ‘deception’ in history, but very few of those sources of deception are successful at political scale. The primary sources of deception can be identified by examples during the age of the invention of communication in the ancient world: (a) abrahamism(deception by bait and suggestion), (b) augustinian( accommodation / pragmatism), (c) platonism (ideal / utopianism); and their attempts at truth (d) education(stoicism/virtues) or propaganda(good/should), and (e) aristotelianism(description of what exists and works).
3) In my work I rely on deflation: survival from competition; or what prior generations of philosophers called ‘analysis’, or what you would consider the scientific method: falsification. I attack every definition, every causal proposition, every value attribution, under the presumption that they are all false, biased, wishful thinking, or deceptions, until all I have left are possible (true) statements, that are categorically, logically, empirically, rationally consistent. So I have to break ideas down into their basic parts as ‘what do people want to acquire by saying this?’, and ‘what kinds of lies are they telling themselves and others to justify acquiring it?’ In other words, I attack everything completely until all loading, framing, obscurantism and suggestion, and bias, are eliminated.
THE ANSWER?
Because what prevented the completion of the enlightenment and our return to Aristotelianism, Roman Law, and Stoic Education, (or the escape from the lies of abrahamic deception , augustinian pragmatism, platonic idealism ), was our failure to demand total reformation of our church – abandoning Abrahamic deception, abandoning Augustinian accommodation. But preservation of the feminine: the individual service of others. In other words, abandoning everything other than the very, very, simple message of jesus: the extension of infinite love to one another. (Unfortunately, this message was universalist rather than nationalist. As suited the ancient empires. As suits the underclasses rebellion against the various aristocracies.)
During the mid 20th century, the the American Protestant churches, and the catholic church under Vatican II abandoned defense of europe and doubled-down on the *individual* christ-as-servant strategy, and individual *evangelism*. And while this was the proper use of church teaching, the church retained it’s nonsense abrahamic and augustinian and platonist nonsense.
So we might say that the churches failed to reform. Or we might say that they lacked knowledge of HOW to reform into secular hero worship of jesus and the saints who ACTED to serve others rather than *god*. As far as I know, The only persons in my lifetime I have can judge as having succeeded in achieving the christian ideals are Mother Theresa, and Pope John Paul. But if we remove the abrahamic spiritualists from the list of saints, and the political propagandists, and political activists, and instead, lionize the servants of the poor that remain then we have in fact, the remains of the christian church. All else is lies.
So if you want to, and I want to, save western civilization, it is by eliminating the false gods, and lionizing the heroes that really existed. To do so requires at least four archetypes: Alexander and Leonidas(Martial), Aristotle and Zeno(Truth and Reason), The Templars and Explorers(Entrepreneurs and Financiers), and Jesus and (Theresa?) (love and caretakers). And the many thousands of other characters who existed.
If you want to save your people it is not achieved by lies, but by the knowledge and use of the origins of western civilization: Truth and Reason, Heroism and Excellence, Law and judge and jury, and the markets in everything that result from those institutions.
Truth is enough. And it is quite possible to extend the involuntary warranty of due diligence against fraud from product(property), and service(action), to information (public speech.)
*Categorical, logical, empirical, operational, rational, reciprocal consistency with defined limits and full a full accounting of internal scope and external consequences.*
It is trivial to put this into law.
And the market for non-parasitism via the courts will end by self interest that which we cannot achieve through demand for virtue against self interest.
And within a generation the west will be restored.
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev Ukraine.
Source date (UTC): 2017-08-03 08:56:00 UTC
God -> Universalism.
Ancestor Worship -> Nationalism.
That’s Your Answer.
Source date (UTC): 2017-08-03 06:19:00 UTC
THE HISTORICITY OF JESUS
I am not unique, in the assumption that the following would need to be true in order for the myth to originate:
– a jewish preacher existed
– he had followers (disciples)
– the temple event turned him into a problem.
– he was crucified for creating that problem.
– his ‘strategy’ was adopted by his followers (Saul)
I suspect also that:
– the betrayal occurred – but i can see that being added.
– ‘love expansion’ argument was his innovation and an important one.
And the rest evolved from there.
That is all that is needed for the formation of the entire mythos.
THE EVOLUTION AND THE CONSEQUENCES
– The old testament was added to give the character legitimacy in historical context.
– The single event was integrated into the then-evolving sun-god cults dominant in the empire but with egyptian, roman, and persian variations. In other words, the new-jews produced a jewish version of the sun god mythos.
– The sun god mythos was turned against the empires rather than assisting people in integrating into those empires.
– This strategy of undermining the empires from within through a resistance movement by the women and the underclasses was more successful in the period where empires were powerful.
– The muslims evolved from a christian cult, and their strategy was more effective in the period when the empires were weak from the plague and the persian – byzantine wars.
– The Marxist (jewish), postmodernist (christian), and islamist(muslim) techniques evolved as resistance movements – in no small part due to a fear of the darwinian/spencerian/pareto-weber-durkheim/nietzchean/maxwellian revolution. And were conceived as a resistance and rebellion movement (Jewish marxism), a method of undermining the empire in period of weakness (christian postmodernism), and an outright attack on the great civilizations of modernity by invasion, territory claiming (temples/churches), reproduction (depopulation), and terrorism(warfare).
– The answer to the ancient world and the modern is simply to preserve civilization and prevent jewish and marxist, christian and postmodernism, and muslim and islamicist dark ages, just as we prohibited the communist revolution, and just as the romans tried during the christian prosecutions.
HISTORICITY
So far as i can tell, scholarly opinion on the historical figure seems to coalesce on a preacher (storyteller), baptism, followers, temple event, crucifixion.
This could have been a very, very, minor person, and the events only known to followers, and much like Arthur or Gilgamesh, continually embellished for the purpose of claiming greater wisdom and authority to the speaker, embellished by expansion into a prophet, embellished through the appropriation of the various old world sun god myths, until it was able to spread reliably through anchoring (replacing ) larger earlier figures, rather than originating a new narrative.
So by appropriating the sun god cult story that had been evolving from its oldest form in egypt to its persian form (mithras) to its third iteration in the roman for (sol invictus) it could turn the sun god cuts from positives that assisted people in integrating into the ancient empires, into a resistance movement that sought to destroy those empires.
And without the licensing of the rebellion by constantine, and ending the persecution of rebels, and the forcible conversion of rome to it later, and the closure of the schools, and the collapse of rome eighty years later, the project would not have been successful.
And we might have been weakened by the plagues, but never been defeated by the muslims and never had such a dark age, and the spread of abrahamic ignorance across the entire old world.
Source date (UTC): 2017-08-03 02:21:00 UTC
THE JQ AND THEIR TRANSFORMATION IN THE USA
Jews that immigrated to the USA from the borderland (Russian / eastern european) and from the various urban ghettos were absurdly superstitious unclean, people and considered barbarous and ignorant – lots of documentation. Their intellectual capital was (as is always under abrahamic ignorance) frozen. That is why despite being the most literate population they achieved nothing in all of history. WHat liberated their human capital was western rule of law and aristotelianism – just as it liberated western capital after the superstition of the church was overthrown with empiricism and the printing press. (just as conversely, the roman empire collapsed within 80 years of the forcible conversion of the polity to christianity in order to destroy the influence of the aristocracy – because the aristocracy performed civic religious rituals – not a specialized priesthood.)
The criticism of the jews at that time was correct. The mid century criticism of jewish immorality in business was correct. The current criticism of specializing in the ‘immoral’ trades (advertising, media, film, pornography, ‘lawyering’, financialism, propaganda, and academy) is also true. The question is whether that is their fault for specializing in immorality, or our fault for allowing them to immigrate and not legislating against the ability to exploit high trust populations by various forms of hazard creation – it’s not like they had not specialized in hazard creation in money lending, and rent seeking sectors throughout their history. They have always concentrated capital then used it against host populations. It is the most profitable industry ever invented by man after conquering and taxation. Deception and moral hazard free of warranty, are far more profitable industries that truth, warranty and productivity.
The fact that we let spread the industrialization of lying using propaganda to create moral hazard because it was advantageous in the sale of the conquered continent, and advantageous of the expansion of military power prior to the wars, and advantageous in the conquest of the european empires during their civil war, and advantages when we translated it into expansion of the working classes in the post war era to promote consumption, is just utilitarian. The problem is that we’re stuck with the consequences now until we are willing to suppress the abuse of public speech as we did prior to the first world war.
So you can blame subsaharan africans for a standard deviation lower intelligence, greater socialization needs, and more rapid and deeper sexual maturity, or you can blame white northeastern americans for defeating the south and killing half a million kinsmen instead of one of the options of buying the slaves back and paying to send them home to africa, or giving them their own agrarian territory so that they could form their own communities and take care of themselves; and never relocating them using the soviet method to white industrial centers and destroying their families and culture that had just taken root in the south. THe same for jews: if you import a group of people who have evolved over a few thousand years without going through the agrarian phase of self domestication, and instead who have specialized in financial and other forms of parasitism upon host communities, then whose fault is it that people behave ase they do? When you give women an the underclass the franchise without demanding evidence that they will not put it to misuse (parasitism) then whose fault is it? I mean, yo don’t beat a dog for being a dog. You train the owner so that he does not give opportunity to be revolting in the presence of civilized humans.
The fact that white europeans (according to Lynn – I’ve talked to him about it directly) have lost the same iq points as jews hold in advantage over whites at the moment, is due to the profiteering we have used under commercial capitalism to expand the reproduction of the lower and underclasses, and thereby reversed at least a thousand years of aggressively hanging every criminal possible, winter starvation, cold, plague, prevention from reproduction by domestic service, prevention of reproduction by manorialism by limiting access to land. Prevention of reproduction by late marriage under manorialism. And of course, war.
The single best method of improving the genetic, normative, social, economic, and political conditions of a people is to reduce the size of the underclass until there is sufficient labor shortage that there is demand for young and old in the labor pool.
While western civilization has always been eugenic, we have reversed it in the capitalist era – to our detriment, and to, apparently, the planet’s.
Source date (UTC): 2017-08-02 16:24:00 UTC
YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW THE CHURCH LIED? THE CRIMES OF CHRISTIANITY? THE LAST WORD.
(be careful. these words are dangerous.)
But I’ll make a few technical and unavoidable statements.
1) Gods exist only as literary characters for the purpose of anthropomorphic communication of phenomenon that cannot be explained due to ignorance, using ideal(symbolic and non causal) or real(existential and causal) terms. In other words, anthropomorphic characters provide decidability through empathy with the unit of measurement requiring the least use of reason available to man.
2) The organizations and leaders of the churches and temples, or their constituent priests, rabbis, and imams do not, will not, and have not stated this. And instead state exactly the opposite.
3) The bible is pure myth and wisdom which we can choose to use to but is, was represented, and was intended to be presented as history and law which we must obey or suffer punishment.
4) Jesus was probably a real figure, but everything attributed to his birth and rising is a restatement of ancient astrology, where the transition between stellar descent (minimum) and ascent requires three days. Everything that jesus said is reducible to “regardless of who rules, do not be divided, and instead, extend kinship love to non kin, and in doing so, exhaust tolerance, because it is by this degree of forgiveness trust is built among our disparate peoples with different customs.” This is a far more scientific explanation of the golden and silver rules.
5) Christianity was produced from the teachings of Jesus by Paul (Saul) and his adherents, just as the works of Marx in the dogmas of marxism and postmodernism was spread by the Frankfurt School, Alinsky school, and Postmodern school. The ‘oppression’ literature of christianity was evolved and argumentatively transformed and expanded just as the ‘oppression’ literature of marxism, postmodernism, feminism, and identitarianism have been evolved and argumentatively transformed in the present era. Just as precisely the same was done with Islam and Judaism.
4) From the tolerance of christianity to the forcible conversion to christianity and the persecution of pagans, it took only eighty years to destroy the empire. What had been a minority cult of the slaves and women, largely via women, was used to destroy the heroic and temporal civilization of the ancients. The consequence of christianity and the church was the destruction of the aristocracy both in rome and on the continent, the destruction of knowledge, the intentional hoarding of literacy, and the incremental accumulation and misallocation of and freezing of capital that prevented the recovery from the invasions and the plagues, and kept europe in a dark age until it was cast off again by the enlightenment as the scholars in the muslim world fled the spread the cancer of islam to the common people just as the church and byzantines spread the cancer of christianity to the common people. And the church, having transformed the warrior people of europe who desired to be ‘romans’ in adopting roman law and commerce into people who desired to be christians in christian mysticism and deceit, was too weak to resist both the rise of the North Sea Trade (Far from its reach), and the use of re-popularized greek (european) thought as a means of rebelling against the enslavement by poverty and ignorance of the church.
The church was not only instrumental in the creation of the dark age by the attacks on the aristocracy and the thought of the aristocracy, but the cause of its prolongation.
5) There is no difference between Judaism + Christianity + Islam, and marxism + postmodernism + feminism. It is precisely the same tactic repeated in the modern era as was used in the ancient era: immigrate, population, convert, resist, undermine, replace, and the successful return of Neolithic Feminine Equalitarianism that the Aristocratic (Aryan) Revolution evolved to resist and transform all mankind out of ignorance.
The church is anti-western. To the degree that it is western it is only that the west resisted it. (See “Germanization of Christianity”)
There is no reason that all of the goods of any religion cannot be provided without such institutionalization of lies and the consequential manufacture of ignorance.
It is painfully obvious from intelligence data that the primary benefit of modernity has been the exchange of superstition and many small functional rules, to science and a few general descriptive rules, and the consequence has been the release of human intellectual capital imprisoned from the origins of abrahamism to its most recent death throws under abrahamic marxism, boazianism, freudianism, cantoranism, feminism, postmodernism, and identitarianism.
CLOSING
Abrahamism, in its three ancient, and three modern forms, was, is, and always will be, the source of ignorance, by which human intellectual, experiential, genetic, and material, and territorial capital is frozen dead.
if there exist any gods, then the jury is in: The god of abraham is most certainly none other than the demon Lucifer – the Morningstar.
Cheers.
Source date (UTC): 2017-08-02 14:56:00 UTC
Fortress, Manor, or Church?
Germany, Britain, or France?
Sparta, Athens or Troy?
Rome, Venice, or Constantinople?
Alexander, Marco Polo, Mohammed?
Achilles, The Blacksmith, or Jesus?
Warrior, Producer, or Priest?
Law, Contract, Norm?
Truth, Exchange, or Fiction?
Source date (UTC): 2017-08-02 12:05:00 UTC
—“I think that it is demonstrably possible to rely upon mysticism for moral training given the proper circumstances & incentives, but that the construction of moral order by use of lying & fictionalism (via positiva) is exponentially more costly than suppressing immoral actions [including false testimony] by use of testimony & law (via negativa).”— James Augustus
Source date (UTC): 2017-08-02 02:38:00 UTC