Theme: Grammar

  • THE PRESUMPTIONS IN DISCOURSE AND ARGUMENT IN THE POSITIVA AND NEGATIVA TRADITIO

    THE PRESUMPTIONS IN DISCOURSE AND ARGUMENT IN THE POSITIVA AND NEGATIVA TRADITIONS

    I would rather let this conversation go forward without my interjection to let the team demonstrate their skills but to save time

    0) I use falsification. Falsification in science, evolved from falsification by contest (competition, adversarial) in european law. And falsification by adversarial competition in law is our oldest continuous political tradition after sovereignty.

    1) I do not presume people have agency, or that they have other than the minimum consciousness and self reflection and self regulation to engage in negotiation deception, parasitism and predation to minimize the costs of obtaining wants and needs by productive voluntary exchange (people only demonstrate the minimum morality necessary to act in their interests.)

    2) I do not presume that people seek truth but that people seek to justify priors, to lie, or sow social constructions for manipulation in pursuit of a discount, to engage in fraud, or to engage, or to conspire.

    3) I do not presume when I dont know the answer – I say something from the spectrum “We don’t know, I don’t know yet”, or as far as I know, or “we only know x so far”, or” we only know x so far and these possibilities are consistent with what we know so far”, or as far as I know thats false, or that can’t be true – as that is the only truthful testimony I can give.

    4) The history of all thought consists of the history of falsification of all causal claims other than realism naturalism under operationalism

    5) All alternatives, all knowledge claims that are consistent with failure of all alternatives to realism, naturalism, under operationalism, must depend on some incentive other than “we don’t know yet, but all causality will depend upon realism, naturalization under operationalism”.

    6) while we can testify to causes of real ism naturalism operationalism and empiricism including subjective testing of incentives (rational choice), we cannot possibly testify to any claim that is not dependent upon realism, naturalism, under operationalism, because we cannot claim to have that knowledge,

    7) If we can identify incentive, meaning, means motive and opportunity, for giving false testimony, by claiming the untestifiable then there is nothing else to determine – the person is lying.

    8) In other words, theology and philosophy, negotiation and chit chat (exchange of signals of safety) seek opportunity for agreement or consent by means motive and opportunity, while, mathematics, logic, science, and law seek opportunity for falsification or decidability in dispute resolution by means motive and opportunity.

    In other words, if you can’t testify to a claim you’re starting out informing, negotiating, persuading, threatening by lying. Now, in a public forum at distance without direct physical contact I can’t engage in physical punishment for lying. But as a european man, defending the informational commons, i do the best I can in by prose.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 21:16:00 UTC

  • Why do I care? No more woo woo in cognitive science please. If you can’t pass th

    Why do I care? No more woo woo in cognitive science please. If you can’t pass the mirror test, the gesture test, sympathy test (cooperation), demonstrate natural operational grammar (language), and create multi-part tools, or enter into agreement (consent) then you’re far behind.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 19:41:42 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227679190314573825

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    @robinhanson To equate sentience (feeling of changes in state), and awareness (of change instate of environment) and semi-consiousness (prediction of future states and possible reactions), consciousness (prediction of future permutations of state), to transformations of state is a leap.

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  • THE FUTURE IS OURS IF WE TAKE IT I started working on a commensurable language i

    THE FUTURE IS OURS IF WE TAKE IT

    I started working on a commensurable language in 92. I had understood the basic problem by 2001. I started working on the european group strategy in ’06. I started the equivalent of full time in ’09-’10 on a constitution. I started ‘going public’ in ’12. Just Eli and a few others were involved (those that promoted us I do know and appreciate). I started getting traction in ’14. You can see from the videos in ’14 that the system is pretty much outlined. Since 14 it’s been incremental improvement in precision and depth every year. I can’t remember when Bill and SN started up but that group’s been how we train people. A year and a half ago in ’18-19 we got John’s help promoting us. A year ago we launched the institute – although, given the rate of acceleration, and demand for the constitution, I’m having trouble with the volume of work. Hopefully we will grow people enough to help us with it this year. Hopefully I will finish the constitution and the big book this year (please god, help me). And hopefully we will ‘launch’ this year (please god help me some more). I dunno. I’m overloaded as usual.

    My point here is that if you follow Brandon Hayes’ feed, where he collects all our posts by topic, you will see what one guy can do if he works hard enough and long enough to produce value enough to interest others in the development of a new axis of agency.

    This is how Marx did it, and its how we’re doing the anti-Marx restoration of western civilization with a few people slowly gaining knowledge skill and momentum.

    Revolution comes.

    Renaissance Comes.

    The future is ours if we just take it.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-11 09:22:00 UTC

  • question. we have been referring to eprime (eliminating the copula: the verb to

    question. we have been referring to eprime (eliminating the copula: the verb to be), so that people could use the literature on eprime to understand how to do it. But the problem is, referencing that literature produces strange externalities because of the sequence of thinkers that went into defining it. All of whom amounted to nothing, and eprime was the only meaningful result of their works.

    should we just drop eprime reference and instead refer to ‘dropping the copula’ or ‘eliminating the verb to be’ and explaining it?


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-10 12:32:00 UTC

  • ELIMINATING THE VERB TO BE (COPULA). IS IT REQUIRED? —“Is failure to use ePrim

    ELIMINATING THE VERB TO BE (COPULA). IS IT REQUIRED?

    —“Is failure to use ePrime in P an error? Why/not?”—Jonathan Besler

    Brandon Hayes: No; you can speak truthfully without speaking operationally.

    Curt Doolittle: Also. You can falsify another’s speech by translating it to operational prose. Again, like many things, once you learn the form you will identify when people are lying, and how they are lying, and gain the ability to explain how they are lying – including why they might be. And if someone questions the truth of your statements you can expand them to the fully operational form and demonstrate that you were merely exercising convenience. Just recall that lying in P means you failed due diligence – you don’t need to intend to. Its like transferring stolen property. You were involved and participated in the crime because you failed due diligence.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-08 18:54:00 UTC

  • Given the Human logical facility Given the Human grammatical facility Given the

    Given the Human logical facility

    Given the Human grammatical facility

    Given the Logics of free association(justification), the logics of language (internal consistency – inference), and operational logic (existential possibility – demonstrated);

    Given possibilities for decidability of nonsensical, undecidable, sufficient for action, truth candidate, tautology, falsehood.

    Are the logics falsificationary or justificationary in precedence?


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-08 13:18:00 UTC

  • ATTEMPTS TO CREATE MULTIPLE INCOMPATIBLE WORLD VIEWS by Predmetsky Rosenborg Hei

    ATTEMPTS TO CREATE MULTIPLE INCOMPATIBLE WORLD VIEWS

    by Predmetsky Rosenborg

    Heidegger is oftentimes very near the surface when it comes to post-structuralist advocacy of diversity, especially in the work of someone like Chantal Mouffe who draws on Derrida, the later Wittgenstein and Carl Schmitt to try to articulate a scenario in which multiple incompatible worldviews could coexist in the same region.

    R selected types like conflict because they extract resources from the conflict itself and from its leftovers. She tries to modify Schmitt’s view of politics as inherently antagonistic and rooted in the friend enemy distinction, by advocating friendly agonism rather than lethal antagonism.

    But underneath this is this Heideggerian idea that people basically don’t think that their own ideas correspond to a mind-independent reality; that a MusIim and a Christian can be convinced to discard whatever is “problematic” in their worldview and settle for a highly redacted and westernized counterfeit.

    You see this especially in obnoxious Heideggerian readings of Christianity in “neo-Orthodox” theologians like Rudolf Bultmann who argues that it doesn’t even matter for Christianity if Jesus really died because it’s all about the experience of the story.

    Most people don’t actually think like this though. They think that their beliefs are true and that their truth matters and they aren’t willing to pretend like it’s just a meaningless story whose truth-value is irrelevant. People take their worldviews very seriously, and as Carl Schmitt understood, they are often willing to kill or die in their defense.

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    CD: I admire this work. I cannot engage in this kind of literary analysis and exposition of emotion and intuition without first converting it to existential “laundered” (value neutral) terms. I only work with what is false, possible, impossible, and irreciprocal or reciprocal. The challenge is finding the VERY FEW others that can discuss these subjects in a scientific paradigm of consistent rational terms, and organizing what I consider sophistry, or secular theology into the scientific frame but while comparing and maintaining the frame of each original author. I suspect this is why i just can’t stand reading what I consider sophistry and secular theology – because converting it is extraordinarily burdensome, and *I perceive every sentence as an attempt to lie*.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-04 13:01:00 UTC

  • RUSSIAN LANGUAGE LIKE MANY CANT FULLY TRANSLATE ENGLISH IDEAS (context: how prop

    RUSSIAN LANGUAGE LIKE MANY CANT FULLY TRANSLATE ENGLISH IDEAS

    (context: how propertarianism is difficult to translate because the anglo saxon conversion of family bias to commons bias and common ownership never occurred elsehwere.)

    —“Has Russia always been that way? Or did they have a “golden age” so to speak where either the language was different, the ideas were different, or both?”—Bradley Morgan

    Every language retains embellishments and scars, every literature and culture embellishments and scars, and every people’s self imiage retains embellishments and scars.

    Russia emerged into modernity behind the rest of christendom simply because (a) distance from the core of commerce, (b) missing out on early adaptation to returns on atlantic trade, the renaissance, the british empirical revolution, the reformation, the continental enlightenment, and (c) having the legacy of mongol conquest, and (d) a long history of serfdom – the boyars were far worse than european feudal lords, and nothing close to west germanic (anglo-scandianvian) free men. In other words, they were just more removed from the center of the european restoration after the exit of the semitic dark ages.

    And Russian Literature was and remains the high point of literature in Christendom. And it occurred partly – as did germany – in response to the terrors of france (napoleon’s conquests).

    There was nothing wrong with Russia that the first world war did not create. It had nowhere near the problems of say Italy. And was closest to following the german unification. Germany at the time included most of what we consider Poland. And german influence was across the entire holy roman empire other than France and Spain. Russia had used her new freedoms to replace the mongols and conquer all of Eurasia from the borders of eastern Europe to Canada, and if they hadn’t been stopped (wrongly) by the British they would have retaken Constantinople from the turks and reversed all the costs of the dark ages.

    The problems of Russia, like the problems of germay, liek the present problem in america, is the result of the jewish bolshevik seizure of power in the unstable period at the end of WW1.

    The Russian language is part of the slavic family of languages that is indeed indo european but went through a strange phonetic rotation, which I am not skilled enough to explain but was the result of moving the glottal sounds backward and then due to that cost, losing the soft vowels, leading to counter- intuitive pairs of consonants without interstitial vowels we expect in wester civilization.

    The structure of Russian language (a category iv language – meaning hard to learn) does not require word order organization like english, and still relies on many (many) suffixes that can be overwhelming.

    However, this means there is as great an art in manipulating the russian language to all softs of parallels and suggestions and subtle meanings as there is an art of doing the same with our huge english vocabulary. And much of russian humor is dependent upon those who are cunning with their language in this form.

    It is also very… beautiful … in that it’s still a heroic language, a language of people on the farm, who are dependent upon community, who will suffer anything and survive, and are very proud of their heroism of endurance

    .

    So this is why Russian literature and culture is ‘deep’

    Because it is deep.

    As deep as americans are shallow.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-02 18:52:00 UTC

  • exactly. it is a very precise language, with a huge vocabulary, with german stru

    exactly. it is a very precise language, with a huge vocabulary, with german structure and common prose, french political prose, latin and greek intellectual prose, with scientific and technical, legal and philosophical, and theological and literary nuance to draw from.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-02 16:01:27 UTC

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  • So, (Flo and those like you) each of us understands what we CAN understand. So y

    So, (Flo and those like you) each of us understands what we CAN understand. So you see a few green leaves on a pretty institutional tree, meanwhile, look at the use of language using google trends – obama let loose the end of democracy with the promise of socialist takeover.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-02 14:26:50 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1223976072431181825

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    @curtdoolittle @MercuryFeetBC @AdielleAS @GettyImagesNews @woolstonphoto In 8 years @BarackObama instituted or improved regulations and programs to protect equal rights, insure health care and food for all, and preserve our environment for future generations. In only 3 years @realDonaldTrump has systematically walked those humane improvements back.

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