Theme: Governance

MORE ADVOCACY OF ORTHODOXY AS A STATE RELIGION (and correcting me) by James Dmitro Makienko [I] made a long detailed post on the christian denial of the laws evident in god’s hand. Here: https://www.facebook.com/curt.doolittle.personal/posts/253632416034919 James corrects me – as did others, that none of these criticisms apply to orthodoxy only to evangelicals and catholics. I might argue that the church of england might apply as well. (Where I was married) I agree on orthodoxy as the optimum political christian religion. I only argue that the evangelicals are closest to jesus’ teachings as a folk religion, and I only make that argument in order to advance some form of nationalist christianity that tolerates the entire spectrum of human cognition: feeling, intuition, reason, observation. The only thing I criticize in the slavic sphere (a) intermarium inability to produce commercial and military scale, and (b) russian inability to produce trust at scale, rule of law at scale, and use of rule of law to suppress corruption at scale. Conversely, the number of things I criticize in the west middle east and far east are endless. I tend to use christianity to refer to evangelical, protestant, and catholic divisions, and I call out orthodoxy in particular. I will try to correct this habit as “western christianity” instead of ‘christianity’ but I think it will be a hard habit to break. thank you for the ‘correction’. 😉 James correctly answers below. == From James Dmitro Makienko == To clarify on what you said about Christianity “denying”, NONE of that applies to Orthodox Church. Of this set of God’s laws, what does Christianity DENY?

1. physical laws of nature. – You won’t see any of this “young earth creation” crap in Orthodox churches, they are generally accepting of science now and don’t try to override it.

2. the political law of homogeneity – Virtually every Orthodox church is nation-centered – hence you have Greek, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Russian, Serbian, Georgian, Armenian, Coptic Ethiopian, Coptic Egyptian, Romanian, North Macedonian etc – this is why it has such difficulty in multicultural countries like Canada and America to create its own indigenous Orthodox church. We have Armenian and Ethiopian that go to out church, but we are Ukrainian, do our liturgy in Ukrainian, and not destroying our identity because there are people who are not Ukrainian.

3. the evolutionary law of transcendence – we venerate numerous saints who have transcended through their works, and a lot of them did it through military victories and statesmanship.

4. the … law of self domestication – there are many ways such as numerous feasts/fasting throughout the year, which toughens you in case hard times hit, rituals you do, which presents a framework for all classes to work together and not go after each other

5. the … law of competition. – Do you mean economic competition (no Orthodox will have an issue with that, most will be negative towards socialism) or competition on the marketplace of ideas (Orthodox church likes to test things against time, so thats why a lot of things may take a few generations to implement – it is slow, yet it exists and we recognize its importance)

Now if you apply it to the modern evangelical Christianity you will see that:

1. Laws of nature – lawsuits against teaching of evolution, “bible parks” that promote young earth creationism – they literally allocate millions of dollars that they fleece from their hapless flocks to promote their anti-scientific falsehoods.

2. Homogeneity – all the multi-culti crap you hear from liberal media is in evangelical (especially mainline) churches “we’re all the same, in jesus name, god loves you regardless of your skin, lets sing kumbaya for jesus” etc. Canada’s United Church is the absolute worst in trying to cuck to the progressives

3. Evolutionary law of transcendence – they do the opposite, they love to revel in underclasses, and promote the message of equality regardless of cost or merit.

4. Self domestication? Not much on this front either, because why domesticate when jesus loves you the way you are

5. Competition? This is where evangelicals are actually outdo themselves, as they like to latch onto different new worldly ideas and modify them for their needs. It sometimes may come at the cost of discarding doctrine – but who cares about doctrine when to be “saved” in evangelical christianity you just need to say a Shahada(declaration of faith) that “i accept jesus christ as my lord and savior” – just like in Islam (that Mo is the prophet).

The speculation about an industrial age in the first or second century AD which Christianity allegedly averted makes about as much sense as if ancient Egypt didn’t collapse we’d all be living in the giant space-travelling pyramids heading for nearest stars. We wuz space vikangs and shiet (makes me think of that lost vikings game of the early 90s!) It is impossible to combine all of Christianity into one-size-fits-all model. As for the reasons of the collapse of the Roman Empire it’ll just take me too much time to research and argument. In brief, i think you give Christianity too much credit for the collapse of the Roman Empire, as most of the 4th century was spend by Christians coming up with a Nicene creed and confronting Arianism(Jesus created & not divine, non-trinitarian), then confronting Nestorianism(Mary mother of Jesus, dyophysitism of Christ etc).

MORE ADVOCACY OF ORTHODOXY AS A STATE RELIGION (and correcting me) by James Dmitro Makienko [I] made a long detailed post on the christian denial of the laws evident in god’s hand. Here: https://www.facebook.com/curt.doolittle.personal/posts/253632416034919 James corrects me – as did others, that none of these criticisms apply to orthodoxy only to evangelicals and catholics. I might argue that the church of england might apply as well. (Where I was married) I agree on orthodoxy as the optimum political christian religion. I only argue that the evangelicals are closest to jesus’ teachings as a folk religion, and I only make that argument in order to advance some form of nationalist christianity that tolerates the entire spectrum of human cognition: feeling, intuition, reason, observation. The only thing I criticize in the slavic sphere (a) intermarium inability to produce commercial and military scale, and (b) russian inability to produce trust at scale, rule of law at scale, and use of rule of law to suppress corruption at scale. Conversely, the number of things I criticize in the west middle east and far east are endless. I tend to use christianity to refer to evangelical, protestant, and catholic divisions, and I call out orthodoxy in particular. I will try to correct this habit as “western christianity” instead of ‘christianity’ but I think it will be a hard habit to break. thank you for the ‘correction’. 😉 James correctly answers below. == From James Dmitro Makienko == To clarify on what you said about Christianity “denying”, NONE of that applies to Orthodox Church. Of this set of God’s laws, what does Christianity DENY?

1. physical laws of nature. – You won’t see any of this “young earth creation” crap in Orthodox churches, they are generally accepting of science now and don’t try to override it.

2. the political law of homogeneity – Virtually every Orthodox church is nation-centered – hence you have Greek, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Russian, Serbian, Georgian, Armenian, Coptic Ethiopian, Coptic Egyptian, Romanian, North Macedonian etc – this is why it has such difficulty in multicultural countries like Canada and America to create its own indigenous Orthodox church. We have Armenian and Ethiopian that go to out church, but we are Ukrainian, do our liturgy in Ukrainian, and not destroying our identity because there are people who are not Ukrainian.

3. the evolutionary law of transcendence – we venerate numerous saints who have transcended through their works, and a lot of them did it through military victories and statesmanship.

4. the … law of self domestication – there are many ways such as numerous feasts/fasting throughout the year, which toughens you in case hard times hit, rituals you do, which presents a framework for all classes to work together and not go after each other

5. the … law of competition. – Do you mean economic competition (no Orthodox will have an issue with that, most will be negative towards socialism) or competition on the marketplace of ideas (Orthodox church likes to test things against time, so thats why a lot of things may take a few generations to implement – it is slow, yet it exists and we recognize its importance)

Now if you apply it to the modern evangelical Christianity you will see that:

1. Laws of nature – lawsuits against teaching of evolution, “bible parks” that promote young earth creationism – they literally allocate millions of dollars that they fleece from their hapless flocks to promote their anti-scientific falsehoods.

2. Homogeneity – all the multi-culti crap you hear from liberal media is in evangelical (especially mainline) churches “we’re all the same, in jesus name, god loves you regardless of your skin, lets sing kumbaya for jesus” etc. Canada’s United Church is the absolute worst in trying to cuck to the progressives

3. Evolutionary law of transcendence – they do the opposite, they love to revel in underclasses, and promote the message of equality regardless of cost or merit.

4. Self domestication? Not much on this front either, because why domesticate when jesus loves you the way you are

5. Competition? This is where evangelicals are actually outdo themselves, as they like to latch onto different new worldly ideas and modify them for their needs. It sometimes may come at the cost of discarding doctrine – but who cares about doctrine when to be “saved” in evangelical christianity you just need to say a Shahada(declaration of faith) that “i accept jesus christ as my lord and savior” – just like in Islam (that Mo is the prophet).

The speculation about an industrial age in the first or second century AD which Christianity allegedly averted makes about as much sense as if ancient Egypt didn’t collapse we’d all be living in the giant space-travelling pyramids heading for nearest stars. We wuz space vikangs and shiet (makes me think of that lost vikings game of the early 90s!) It is impossible to combine all of Christianity into one-size-fits-all model. As for the reasons of the collapse of the Roman Empire it’ll just take me too much time to research and argument. In brief, i think you give Christianity too much credit for the collapse of the Roman Empire, as most of the 4th century was spend by Christians coming up with a Nicene creed and confronting Arianism(Jesus created & not divine, non-trinitarian), then confronting Nestorianism(Mary mother of Jesus, dyophysitism of Christ etc).