(hmmm… well, lets do a propertarian analysis of that question)—“How do you feel about mannerbunds?”—Harrison Baker
Theme: Cooperation
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Is Male Bonding The Source Of Civilization?
Well you know, I tend to stay away from silly terminology and instead make operationally testable statements. men evolved to work in groups of brothers to herd women, hold territory, and kill competitors and take their stuff. this requires both cooperation: shared risk, and loyalty: elimination of defectors and parasites, and a division of spoils preserving both cooperation, loyalty, and the punishment of defectors and cheats. civilization is the result of teh accumulated knowledge and institutions that allow us to scale this system to ever larger and ever more competitive circumstances. in this sense, yes, the bond between men that we traditionally call the ‘intitiatic brotherhood of soldiers’ is in fact, the source of what we call ‘civilization’: cooperation at very large scales. But we could just as likely say that it’s the need for men to bind to herd women and hold territory and develop institutions that is the source of civilization. or we could say that it is man’s reaction to the untrustworthiness of women that is the origin of civilization since all we do is invent better farms in which to herd our women at lower cost to us. Or we could say that women are untrustworthy in order to force us to build good farms (nests) for them in which they can nest. And that it is women’s untrustworthiness that forces us to cooperate and create nesting areas for them. Roll that little model around in your head for a while?
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Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev, Ukraine
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IS MALE BONDING THE SOURCE OF CIVILIZATION? (hmmm… well, lets do a propertaria
IS MALE BONDING THE SOURCE OF CIVILIZATION?
(hmmm… well, lets do a propertarian analysis of that question)
—“How do you feel about mannerbunds?”—Harrison Baker
Well you know, I tend to stay away from silly terminology and instead make operationally testable statements.
men evolved to work in groups of brothers to herd women, hold territory, and kill competitors and take their stuff.
this requires both cooperation: shared risk, and loyalty: elimination of defectors and parasites, and a division of spoils preserving both cooperation, loyalty, and the punishment of defectors and cheats.
civilization is the result of teh accumulated knowledge and institutions that allow us to scale this system to ever larger and ever more competitive circumstances.
in this sense, yes, the bond between men that we traditionally call the ‘intitiatic brotherhood of soldiers’ is in fact the source of what we call ‘civilization;: cooperation at very large scales.
But we could just as likely say that it’s the need for men to bind to herd women and hold territory and develop institutions that is the source of civilization.
or we could say that it is man’s reaction to the untrustworthiness of women that is the origin of civilization since all we do is invent better farms in which to herd our women at lower cost to us.
Or we could say that women are untrustworthy in order to force us to build good farms (nests) for them in which they can nest. And that it is women’s untrustworthiness that forces us to cooperate and create nesting areas for them.
Roll that little model around in your head for a while? ๐
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev, Ukraine
Source date (UTC): 2016-11-16 10:19:00 UTC
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(Be nice to nice people.)
(Be nice to nice people.)
Source date (UTC): 2016-11-15 18:48:07 UTC
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@_DanielleBasile most of it is ‘true’ in the sense that diversity increases fric
@_DanielleBasile most of it is ‘true’ in the sense that diversity increases frictions and lowers trust in exchange for signaling.
Source date (UTC): 2016-11-15 18:24:35 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/798592547568304129
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Why Is Religion – Meaning Myth And Ritual – Necessary?
—“Why are mythology and ritual necessary?”—Doug Decidability, opportunity costs and transaction costs.
—“??????”—Doug We coordinate our actions a little bit by clear deliberate choices. But mostly we cooperate by many thousands of tie-breakers that we default to loose theories of the ‘good’: narratives. In other words, religions provide means by which, in those many thousands of choices, where no choice is preferable to us, to prefer the choice that contributes to the advancement of the commons. Otherwise like Bouridan’s Ass we must find some method of choosing. This insight is profoundly important. Think of religions as a wishing well into which we toss the spare change of choice. But these choices reflect a group evolutionary strategy. And these strategies are not equal. THE MANY SMALL DEFEAT THE FEW GRAND. -
Why Is Religion – Meaning Myth And Ritual – Necessary?
—“Why are mythology and ritual necessary?”—Doug Decidability, opportunity costs and transaction costs.
—“??????”—Doug We coordinate our actions a little bit by clear deliberate choices. But mostly we cooperate by many thousands of tie-breakers that we default to loose theories of the ‘good’: narratives. In other words, religions provide means by which, in those many thousands of choices, where no choice is preferable to us, to prefer the choice that contributes to the advancement of the commons. Otherwise like Bouridan’s Ass we must find some method of choosing. This insight is profoundly important. Think of religions as a wishing well into which we toss the spare change of choice. But these choices reflect a group evolutionary strategy. And these strategies are not equal. THE MANY SMALL DEFEAT THE FEW GRAND. -
ON OUR ‘HIGH TRUST ALTRUISM’ (RISK TAKING PUTS ON FUTURE COOPERATION) (from hbdc
ON OUR ‘HIGH TRUST ALTRUISM’ (RISK TAKING PUTS ON FUTURE COOPERATION)
(from hbdchick)
—“So, again, I think there are at least three things to juggle in our heads here when thinking about possible selection pressures for nepotistic (or or not-so-nepostistic) altruism, all having to do with the โviscosityโ of populations:
1) inbreeding,
2) family types, and
3) the forces socio-economic systems exert on familial relationships.
For more than the last thousand years, northwestern european pops have had low inbreeding, small family types, and societal pressures which have pulled apart related individuals (those pressures increased over the period).
Eastern european pops have probably had higher inbreeding for some or all of this time period (although nothing on the scale of the arab world), large family types, and not very many social or economic pressures for family member to disperse.
The mediterranean world, aside from the large islands mentioned by kaser above, has had higher inbreeding rates than northwestern europe (especially southern italy), small family types (at least, small residential family types), but few pressures for close family to separate much”— HBD Chick
Source date (UTC): 2016-11-15 11:56:00 UTC
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***THE PURPOSE OF MYTH AND RITUAL IS THE COORDINATION OF DECIDABILITY***
***THE PURPOSE OF MYTH AND RITUAL IS THE COORDINATION OF DECIDABILITY***
Source date (UTC): 2016-11-15 09:11:00 UTC
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men. we form an army. but not an army of clones. some of us are warriors, some s
men. we form an army. but not an army of clones. some of us are warriors, some soldiers, some engineers, some communications, some logistics, some intelligence. we must not aspire to sameness, but to our perfection of at least one specialization. because we need only fulfill our role, and to do our duty within that role, so that the legion is stronger than its individual members. Yes it is true that the more we can perfect, the greater we are as individuals. But it is the army in all its perfections of every kind that produce numbers necessary to defeat numbers.
Source date (UTC): 2016-11-15 08:07:00 UTC
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Markets either facilitate our families, tribes, and nations, or they prey upon o
Markets either facilitate our families, tribes, and nations, or they prey upon our families tribes and nations.
Markets and the consumption they provide us, do not create limitless goods. At some point we are no longer advancing our kin, but instead, preventing a future for them.
Source date (UTC): 2016-11-14 17:36:00 UTC