Theme: Truth

  • THE LIMITS TO OUR EXISTENCE by Tim Beckley-Spillane We’ve produced more objectiv

    THE LIMITS TO OUR EXISTENCE

    by Tim Beckley-Spillane

    We’ve produced more objective truth than any other people – and with it more value than any other. In the process we’ve created incredible demand.

    So we’ve demonstrated to all, including the most parasitic of all, that we have much to give, and have convinced ourselves, perhaps more than any other, that our means of productivity are inexhaustible.

    They aren’t.

    Our triumphs in art, science, and civilization and the universal demand created by them have made us overconfident and the gods have chosen to impose a natural limit on our ascent.

    We’re now forced to choose oblivion if not godhood prematurely, or to return to the earth as a wiser people, to regain strength, to remind ourselves of the sources of our greatness, and, in time, to launch from the greater heights of our cumulative achievement free of the costs that others would gladly impose.

    The production of truth, the source of our greatness, of course, requiring transcendence of our subjectivity.

    Or, to express the idea in less romantic prose, we produce truth, which requires a maximal objectivity. The world is right to expect this of us. But the production of truth is costly and the benefits, though great, are limited. So we need to be discriminating in both our our expenditures and the distribution of benefits they produce, and for this, subjectivity is required.

    We’re the only people on the planet expected to transcend our own subjectivity.

    But we can’t afford to any longer.

    —“Tim Beckley-Spillane:

    Do we need to be discriminating? Yes.

    Does it require subjectivity?

    No. It requires reciprocity.

    Excellent articulation. I just think OBJECTIVE ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

    “—Bryan Nova Brey

    We need to be discriminating in how we spend our resources in the production of value and in the distribution of value produced, because those resources are limited. We demonstrate subjective preferences when we make discriminations of the kind in markets. Reciprocity allows us to calculate our subjective interests. Because interests conflict, objectivity in such matters isn’t possible, is it?

    A problem we’re still dealing with today is that we attempted to transcend our subjectivity and universalize our preferences. We need to content ourselves with the pursuit of that which is subjectively beneficial for us. And to the extent that our relationships with others are reciprocal, those benefits can be shared. Let me know where you disagree.

    —“From what I can tell we (Propertarians) are descriptive and objective. We define law via negativa. How groups of people prescribe, subjectively and via positiva is up to market competition. Seems to be the completion of the intention of the Founding Fathers.”—Bryan Nova Brey


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-16 11:53:00 UTC

  • TRUTH IS MERELY RECIPROCITY IN WORD —“Truth is merely reciprocity in word.”—

    TRUTH IS MERELY RECIPROCITY IN WORD

    —“Truth is merely reciprocity in word.”—CD

    —“Curt, and there one goes again. Another piece clicked into place. “Truth is merely Reciprocity in word.” I would never have consciously chosen to take on anything like P in this crazy ad hoc format. But it seems slowly to seep in and absolutely stick. Once something “sticks” it feels like law school or Escrima: I don’t have to memorize it. It simply can’t go together any other way. I’d say I’m maybe 25% of way there.”—Daniel Roland Anderson

    😉


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-15 07:55:00 UTC

  • “I have said this for a long while. If the Truth hurts you The problem is YOU.”-

    –“I have said this for a long while.
    If the Truth hurts you The problem is YOU.”—Stephen Thomas


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-15 01:14:48 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1106363079338663936

  • “I have said this for a long while. If the Truth hurts you The problem is YOU.”-

    –“I have said this for a long while. If the Truth hurts you The problem is YOU.”—Stephen Thomas


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-14 21:14:00 UTC

  • James Fox Higgins understands like few others the difference between discussing

    James Fox Higgins understands like few others the difference between discussing what is and what we can, desire to, and should be.

    Everyone else wants me to produce a via positiva ideology philosophy or religion. When all I am doing is producing the law that prevents reconquest of our people if we impose it.

    And I have not had this experience with any other christian thought leader. When we are talk I am free to say “I can only say that this is what is – that this is law. I do not say what should or must outside of that law.” This is my version of humility. I leave the good and preferable, the inspirational and the spiritual to those for whom those things are important.

    For me, I see heathenism (the dead and nature), paganism (social archetypes), christianity ( political ideals), Militia and Martial Participation as (spiritual), and stoic training in mindfulness as components of my religious portfolio. But I am ABLE to do so. Not all of us are able without training. Some are not able to do more than one. it is too much for them.

    My view of our future is of a god (universe) of many faces (archetypes), many levels (scales), and each of us practices a group of rites (debt payments to) the faces of that god we best depend (are indebted to).

    Natural law and jesus’ five rules are identical.

    The ten commandments are simply statements of property.

    —“You cannot derive an “ought” from an “is”… without an “if”.”— James Fox Higgins


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-14 17:43:00 UTC

  • The number of people who use the word proof without knowing ‘proof of what?’ The

    The number of people who use the word proof without knowing ‘proof of what?’ The number of people who use the term NAP without knowing the answer to “aggression against what?’ The number of people who use the term ‘moral’ without knowing the answer to ‘define moral’. These are term of convention – half truths. We use as if we have even the vaguest idea what they men other than to justify a prior.


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-13 09:25:00 UTC

  • Teaching people GRAMMAR so that they can DECODE speech is not the same as teachi

    Teaching people GRAMMAR so that they can DECODE speech is not the same as teaching people to speak exclusively in decoded speech.

    We have been teaching people grammar, logic, rhetoric, arithmetic, geometry, music, and astronomy since the medieval era.

    Written speech is more rigorous than spoken. contract language more rigorous than written. P-speech more rigorous than contract. And the purpose of this speech is to construct law that is not open to ‘interpretation’ and therefore closed to ‘legislation from the bench’.

    —“In my experience one only need set about resolving oneself to use honest and clear wording to express one’s points/stance while being as factually based as possible. “—

    And so what’s the difference other than a formal method for doing so that also defends against error, and bias? And how would I hold you accountable for speaking honestly without some method for testing your speech – rather than just depend on your OPINION as to whether you speak honestly.

    What you MEAN is that you don’t want to be forced to learn how to do such a thing. And you don’t want such a thing embodied in law, because you don’t want to be accountable for your words.

    Right?


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-12 17:13:00 UTC

  • The possible: Engineering The good: Philosophy The true: Law

    The possible: Engineering
    The good: Philosophy
    The true: Law


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-12 15:56:52 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105497898438012928

  • The possible: Engineering The good: Philosophy The true: Law

    The possible: Engineering

    The good: Philosophy

    The true: Law


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-12 11:56:00 UTC

  • Thought I have been working with: “Any argument, theory, definition, should be i

    Thought I have been working with:

    “Any argument, theory, definition, should be incomprehensible until it is only comprehensible without error.”

    Regarding:

    —“1. Objective truth (what is, something generally agreed we can never ‘be completely sure of’, but as a concept Peterson certainly does believe this exists);

    2. scientific truth (our best guess through the scientific method, at attainment of some constrained resolution of objective truth); and

    3. pragmatic truth (verification of a bounded hypothesis adjusted by feedback, which Peterson agrees has all sorts of precision limitations).”—

    I handle this by dropping the term truth, and adopting decidability. Such that truth remains what it is, and we are seeking decidability sufficient for market demand.


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-11 11:06:00 UTC