Theme: Truth

  • But that does not mean that while the categories relations and values that they

    But that does not mean that while the categories relations and values that they discuss in mathematics cannot be restated in scientific “true” operational prose. It’s just that when you do so the triviality of mathematics and the pseudoscientific content of the prose is obvious.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-03-14 17:09:33 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/973969391560863745

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    @ProfessorLarp @GolfNorman And so just as metalsmiths talked about spirits, astrologers talked about gods and demigods, theologians talked about god and heaven, mathematicians still make use of archaic ‘fictionalist’ (platonic) prose as did astrologers and theologians.

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    @ProfessorLarp @GolfNorman And so just as metalsmiths talked about spirits, astrologers talked about gods and demigods, theologians talked about god and heaven, mathematicians still make use of archaic ‘fictionalist’ (platonic) prose as did astrologers and theologians.

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  • And so just as metalsmiths talked about spirits, astrologers talked about gods a

    And so just as metalsmiths talked about spirits, astrologers talked about gods and demigods, theologians talked about god and heaven, mathematicians still make use of archaic ‘fictionalist’ (platonic) prose as did astrologers and theologians.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-03-14 17:08:21 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/973969091013771264

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    @ProfessorLarp @GolfNorman Yes. Although when we talk about mathematics, precisely because mathematics is so trivially simple, the use of “pseudoscientific prose” does not necessarily impact one’s ability to use it. So it’s a lot like ancient metallurgy, astrology or aristotelian physics.

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    @curtdoolittle

    @ProfessorLarp @GolfNorman Yes. Although when we talk about mathematics, precisely because mathematics is so trivially simple, the use of “pseudoscientific prose” does not necessarily impact one’s ability to use it. So it’s a lot like ancient metallurgy, astrology or aristotelian physics.

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/973968685433049088

  • “I have been wanting to ask more about mathematical platonism, is this an exampl

    —“I have been wanting to ask more about mathematical platonism, is this an example of such? If so could make an example of him so I can learn?”— Yes. Although when we talk about mathematics, precisely because mathematics is so trivially simple, the use of “pseudoscientific prose” does not necessarily impact one’s ability to use it. So it’s a lot like ancient metallurgy, astrology or aristotelian physics. And so just as metalsmiths talked about spirits, astrologers talked about gods and demigods, theologians talked about god and heaven, mathematicians still make use of archaic ‘fictionalist’ (platonic) prose as did astrologers and theologians. But that does not mean that while the categories relations and values that they discuss in mathematics cannot be restated in scientific “true” operational prose. It’s just that when you do so the triviality of mathematics and the pseudoscientific content of the prose is obvious. Lets start with defining a number. A number consists of a positional name. The name of a position in an order. Positional Naming using positional numbers assisted us in creating positional names beyond our ability to remember names, and beyond our ability to conceive or compare. All mathematical operations consist of addition or subtraction of positions. But because the only property positional names possess is position, then the positional names (numbers) all constitute ratios to (scales of) the reference. But since anything we refer to that is “countable’ (and some references are not directly countable – water and air, must be divided in to volumetric units for example before we can count them), can be measured using the ratios provided by positional names … … we gain scale and reference independence, or rather ‘the ability to construct general rules of arbitrary precision” using nothing but these positional names. Positional names are not like words, open to conflation or misinterpretation.They have only one property: position… … And because they have only one property of position, they have one unavoidable deductive property: ratio to the referent. … Now, some operations yield another positional name (a ratio), some yield a partial name (a fraction), and some yield an indivisible ratio …. … the position of which cannot be named by positional naming. This means that while some operations (changes by addition or subtraction) have no positional name, and as such can only be represented by a function. Ergo, there exists no square root of two, only the function. So mathematicians have spent a very long time inventing very creative means by which to conflate number (positional name produced by the operation of positional naming) with the categories of results of the operations of addition and subtraction: … … divisible(positional name/number) = entities, divisible to divisible ratio (fraction) = measurements, and divisible to indivisible ratio (function) = general rules requiring context to provide limits, and directional spatial (and all that results from directions), and … … finally to physics representing forces of n-dimensions, and lastly to semantic relations, expressing only relative weights of relations. Which is where math breaks down and we must turn to operations (semantics, economics, computing.) where categories are inconstant. There exist only positional names (zero dimensions). We can add a dimension and imagine a line (measurement). We can add direction and add -measurement. We can ad another dimension and create areas. We can add another dimension and create spaces. We can add another dimension … and create time. We can add another dimension and create competition (forces). We can add n-dimensions and create causalities (algebraic geometry). We can add obseve the consequences of the externalities produced by algebraic patterns (lie groups), and then repeat the cycle… with lie groups as the next primitive category (referent), and repeat the entire process all over again. Which is how we categorize subatomic(wave), particle(object), chemistry, biology, sentience. or physics engineering, programming, language. The same hierarchical process. So mathematics is very simple. It’s consists of the use of positional names to create general rules of arbitrary precision using some number of dimensions of causality. In other words, it’s the discipline of measurement. It is highly successful in constant relations and less … … so with inconstant relations. And mathematicians are very little different from medieval monks inventing nonsense language to justify a very simple moral code by which to extract rents from the population in return for training them to extend kinship trust to non-kin. Math is, like law, one of those disciplines that is terribly simple and it’s access limited to a priesthood willing to make use of the priestly vocabulary as a signal of conformity. Unfortunately mathematical pseudoscience in economics has been possible because of platonism. So in closing, think of mathematical terminology like a language of theology referencing a heaven that doesn’t exist. That does not however stop the monks from growing food, fermenting beer, performing clerical services, and generally pretending that they have sacred knowledge. Why? Because measuring stuff is actually pretty simple. All you need to do is know the dimensions and create a means of measurement. Everything else is just a byproduct of the simplicity of a positional names as an infungible category by which all is somehow commensurable.
  • “I have been wanting to ask more about mathematical platonism, is this an exampl

    —“I have been wanting to ask more about mathematical platonism, is this an example of such? If so could make an example of him so I can learn?”—

    Yes. Although when we talk about mathematics, precisely because mathematics is so trivially simple, the use of “pseudoscientific prose” does not necessarily impact one’s ability to use it. So it’s a lot like ancient metallurgy, astrology or aristotelian physics.

    And so just as metalsmiths talked about spirits, astrologers talked about gods and demigods, theologians talked about god and heaven, mathematicians still make use of archaic ‘fictionalist’ (platonic) prose as did astrologers and theologians.

    But that does not mean that while the categories relations and values that they discuss in mathematics cannot be restated in scientific “true” operational prose. It’s just that when you do so the triviality of mathematics and the pseudoscientific content of the prose is obvious.

    Lets start with defining a number. A number consists of a positional name. The name of a position in an order. Positional Naming using positional numbers assisted us in creating positional names beyond our ability to remember names, and beyond our ability to conceive or compare.

    All mathematical operations consist of addition or subtraction of positions. But because the only property positional names possess is position, then the positional names (numbers) all constitute ratios to (scales of) the reference.

    But since anything we refer to that is “countable’ (and some references are not directly countable – water and air, must be divided in to volumetric units for example before we can count them), can be measured using the ratios provided by positional names …

    … we gain scale and reference independence, or rather ‘the ability to construct general rules of arbitrary precision” using nothing but these positional names. Positional names are not like words, open to conflation or misinterpretation.They have only one property: position…

    … And because they have only one property of position, they have one unavoidable deductive property: ratio to the referent. … Now, some operations yield another positional name (a ratio), some yield a partial name (a fraction), and some yield an indivisible ratio ….

    … the position of which cannot be named by positional naming. This means that while some operations (changes by addition or subtraction) have no positional name, and as such can only be represented by a function. Ergo, there exists no square root of two, only the function.

    So mathematicians have spent a very long time inventing very creative means by which to conflate number (positional name produced by the operation of positional naming) with the categories of results of the operations of addition and subtraction: …

    … divisible(positional name/number) = entities, divisible to divisible ratio (fraction) = measurements, and divisible to indivisible ratio (function) = general rules requiring context to provide limits, and directional spatial (and all that results from directions), and …

    … finally to physics representing forces of n-dimensions, and lastly to semantic relations, expressing only relative weights of relations. Which is where math breaks down and we must turn to operations (semantics, economics, computing.) where categories are inconstant.

    There exist only positional names (zero dimensions). We can add a dimension and imagine a line (measurement). We can add direction and add -measurement. We can ad another dimension and create areas. We can add another dimension and create spaces. We can add another dimension …

    and create time. We can add another dimension and create competition (forces). We can add n-dimensions and create causalities (algebraic geometry). We can add obseve the consequences of the externalities produced by algebraic patterns (lie groups), and then repeat the cycle…

    with lie groups as the next primitive category (referent), and repeat the entire process all over again. Which is how we categorize subatomic(wave), particle(object), chemistry, biology, sentience. or physics engineering, programming, language. The same hierarchical process.

    So mathematics is very simple. It’s consists of the use of positional names to create general rules of arbitrary precision using some number of dimensions of causality. In other words, it’s the discipline of measurement. It is highly successful in constant relations and less …

    … so with inconstant relations. And mathematicians are very little different from medieval monks inventing nonsense language to justify a very simple moral code by which to extract rents from the population in return for training them to extend kinship trust to non-kin.

    Math is, like law, one of those disciplines that is terribly simple and it’s access limited to a priesthood willing to make use of the priestly vocabulary as a signal of conformity. Unfortunately mathematical pseudoscience in economics has been possible because of platonism.

    So in closing, think of mathematical terminology like a language of theology referencing a heaven that doesn’t exist. That does not however stop the monks from growing food, fermenting beer, performing clerical services, and generally pretending that they have sacred knowledge.

    Why? Because measuring stuff is actually pretty simple. All you need to do is know the dimensions and create a means of measurement. Everything else is just a byproduct of the simplicity of a positional names as an infungible category by which all is somehow commensurable.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-03-14 13:54:00 UTC

  • “I have been wanting to ask more about mathematical platonism, is this an exampl

    —“I have been wanting to ask more about mathematical platonism, is this an example of such? If so could make an example of him so I can learn?”— Yes. Although when we talk about mathematics, precisely because mathematics is so trivially simple, the use of “pseudoscientific prose” does not necessarily impact one’s ability to use it. So it’s a lot like ancient metallurgy, astrology or aristotelian physics. And so just as metalsmiths talked about spirits, astrologers talked about gods and demigods, theologians talked about god and heaven, mathematicians still make use of archaic ‘fictionalist’ (platonic) prose as did astrologers and theologians. But that does not mean that while the categories relations and values that they discuss in mathematics cannot be restated in scientific “true” operational prose. It’s just that when you do so the triviality of mathematics and the pseudoscientific content of the prose is obvious. Lets start with defining a number. A number consists of a positional name. The name of a position in an order. Positional Naming using positional numbers assisted us in creating positional names beyond our ability to remember names, and beyond our ability to conceive or compare. All mathematical operations consist of addition or subtraction of positions. But because the only property positional names possess is position, then the positional names (numbers) all constitute ratios to (scales of) the reference. But since anything we refer to that is “countable’ (and some references are not directly countable – water and air, must be divided in to volumetric units for example before we can count them), can be measured using the ratios provided by positional names … … we gain scale and reference independence, or rather ‘the ability to construct general rules of arbitrary precision” using nothing but these positional names. Positional names are not like words, open to conflation or misinterpretation.They have only one property: position… … And because they have only one property of position, they have one unavoidable deductive property: ratio to the referent. … Now, some operations yield another positional name (a ratio), some yield a partial name (a fraction), and some yield an indivisible ratio …. … the position of which cannot be named by positional naming. This means that while some operations (changes by addition or subtraction) have no positional name, and as such can only be represented by a function. Ergo, there exists no square root of two, only the function. So mathematicians have spent a very long time inventing very creative means by which to conflate number (positional name produced by the operation of positional naming) with the categories of results of the operations of addition and subtraction: … … divisible(positional name/number) = entities, divisible to divisible ratio (fraction) = measurements, and divisible to indivisible ratio (function) = general rules requiring context to provide limits, and directional spatial (and all that results from directions), and … … finally to physics representing forces of n-dimensions, and lastly to semantic relations, expressing only relative weights of relations. Which is where math breaks down and we must turn to operations (semantics, economics, computing.) where categories are inconstant. There exist only positional names (zero dimensions). We can add a dimension and imagine a line (measurement). We can add direction and add -measurement. We can ad another dimension and create areas. We can add another dimension and create spaces. We can add another dimension … and create time. We can add another dimension and create competition (forces). We can add n-dimensions and create causalities (algebraic geometry). We can add obseve the consequences of the externalities produced by algebraic patterns (lie groups), and then repeat the cycle… with lie groups as the next primitive category (referent), and repeat the entire process all over again. Which is how we categorize subatomic(wave), particle(object), chemistry, biology, sentience. or physics engineering, programming, language. The same hierarchical process. So mathematics is very simple. It’s consists of the use of positional names to create general rules of arbitrary precision using some number of dimensions of causality. In other words, it’s the discipline of measurement. It is highly successful in constant relations and less … … so with inconstant relations. And mathematicians are very little different from medieval monks inventing nonsense language to justify a very simple moral code by which to extract rents from the population in return for training them to extend kinship trust to non-kin. Math is, like law, one of those disciplines that is terribly simple and it’s access limited to a priesthood willing to make use of the priestly vocabulary as a signal of conformity. Unfortunately mathematical pseudoscience in economics has been possible because of platonism. So in closing, think of mathematical terminology like a language of theology referencing a heaven that doesn’t exist. That does not however stop the monks from growing food, fermenting beer, performing clerical services, and generally pretending that they have sacred knowledge. Why? Because measuring stuff is actually pretty simple. All you need to do is know the dimensions and create a means of measurement. Everything else is just a byproduct of the simplicity of a positional names as an infungible category by which all is somehow commensurable.
  • Politics Is Quite Simple Really – Truth Is Simple, Lies Are Complicated.

    Politics is just a proxy for war. Markets are superior to political orders because they calculate maximum mutual by reciprocity. The problem as in all things, is producing limits. Capitalism and socialism are both unlimited by reciprocity. Only rule of law of reciprocity produces markets that discover the balance between private and commons. We fuss and fume over capitalism vs socialism, or authoritarianism vs anarchism, but the only underlying difference is rule of law and reciprocity vs rule by discretion and reciprocity. *For, the only purpose of discretion is, and can be, to violate reciprocity*. And the problem heretofore has been the means of limiting markets by the measurement of capital in toto that changes. Why? Because humans evolved in a world that easily equilibrated their consumptions within the band or tribe – because they could only externalize costs onto the natural world. But at current scale, when we cooperate via host of proxies, we can and do largely externalize against others whether kin, polity, nation, competitors, or man. And man retaliates differently and more immediately from nature against those impositions. So politics is quite simple under meritocracy, and politics is quite complicated under irreciprocity. Under rule of law of reciprocity, markets that result from that rule of law (both private and common) are quite transparent, simple and explicable. Under the irreciprocity of politics and rule by discretion, the results of that discretion (and deception) is not transparent, complicated, and largely inexplicable. The principle problem in achieving reciprocity and transparency is the percentage of your population that can survive competition in the market. If a group cannot survive competition in the market because it has too many members that cannot compete in the market, then political discretion, corruption, and irreciprocity evolve out of the necessity of survival. Ergo the only possible means of producing reciprocity is to prevent the expansion and produce the contraction of those individuals that cannot compete in the market given present technology, resources, and competitors. And in doing so prevent the emergence of a body of elites that employ discretionary rule. This brief passage explains almost all of politics. The british system and the current scandinavian was possible because of such aggressive culling of the underclasses, and the economic dependence upon the militia for both offense and defense. The british model preserved tripartism (clergy, nobility, businessmen-farmers ), and thereby produced a government that funcitoned as a market between the ‘able’ classes (aristocracy, nobility, managers of production, and the church (women and underclasses).) The enlightenment seizure and creating of a monopoly rather than preservation of the market between the classes was made possible by the disproportionate returns on the empirical revolution’s increases in productivity. Yet that marginal increase in productivity which allowed for great concentration of wealth has increasingly dissipated due to the anglo-american and less-so european distribution and enforcement of consumer capitalism (markets). Yet most societies have returned to monopoly government rather than market, because of asymmetries in populations and the utility of concentrating capital in the state as a means of projecting military power by which market advantages are gained. This is all there is to politics. There is very little other to be understood. Everything else is just negotiating position using some sort of fiction.
  • POLITICS IS QUITE SIMPLE REALLY – TRUTH IS SIMPLE, LIES ARE COMPLICATED. Politic

    POLITICS IS QUITE SIMPLE REALLY – TRUTH IS SIMPLE, LIES ARE COMPLICATED.

    Politics is just a proxy for war. Markets are superior to political orders because they calculate maximum mutual by reciprocity.

    The problem as in all things, is producing limits. Capitalism and socialism are both unlimited by reciprocity.

    Only rule of law of reciprocity produces markets that discover the balance between private and commons.

    We fuss and fume over capitalism vs socialism, or authoritarianism vs anarchism, but the only underlying difference is rule of law and reciprocity vs rule by discretion and reciprocity.

    *For, the only purpose of discretion is, and can be, to violate reciprocity*.

    And the problem heretofore has been the means of limiting markets by the measurement of capital in toto that changes.

    Why? Because humans evolved in a world that easily equilibrated their consumptions within the band or tribe – because they could only externalize costs onto the natural world.

    But at current scale, when we cooperate via host of proxies, we can and do largely externalize against others whether kin, polity, nation, competitors, or man. And man retaliates differently and more immediately from nature against those impositions.

    So politics is quite simple under meritocracy, and politics is quite complicated under irreciprocity. Under rule of law of reciprocity, markets that result from that rule of law (both private and common) are quite transparent, simple and explicable.

    Under the irreciprocity of politics and rule by discretion, the results of that discretion (and deception) is not transparent, complicated, and largely inexplicable.

    The principle problem in achieving reciprocity and transparency is the percentage of your population that can survive competition in the market. If a group cannot survive competition in the market because it has too many members that cannot compete in the market, then political discretion, corruption, and irreciprocity evolve out of the necessity of survival.

    Ergo the only possible means of producing reciprocity is to prevent the expansion and produce the contraction of those individuals that cannot compete in the market given present technology, resources, and competitors. And in doing so prevent the emergence of a body of elites that employ discretionary rule.

    This brief passage explains almost all of politics. The british system and the current scandinavian was possible because of such aggressive culling of the underclasses, and the economic dependence upon the militia for both offense and defense.

    The british model preserved tripartism (clergy, nobility, businessmen-farmers ), and thereby produced a government that funcitoned as a market between the ‘able’ classes (aristocracy, nobility, managers of production, and the church (women and underclasses).)

    The enlightenment seizure and creating of a monopoly rather than preservation of the market between the classes was made possible by the disproportionate returns on the empirical revolution’s increases in productivity.

    Yet that marginal increase in productivity which allowed for great concentration of wealth has increasingly dissipated due to the anglo-american and less-so european distribution and enforcement of consumer capitalism (markets).

    Yet most societies have returned to monopoly government rather than market, because of asymmetries in populations and the utility of concentrating capital in the state as a means of projecting military power by which market advantages are gained.

    This is all there is to politics. There is very little other to be understood. Everything else is just negotiating position using some sort of fiction.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-03-14 10:42:00 UTC

  • Politics Is Quite Simple Really – Truth Is Simple, Lies Are Complicated.

    Politics is just a proxy for war. Markets are superior to political orders because they calculate maximum mutual by reciprocity. The problem as in all things, is producing limits. Capitalism and socialism are both unlimited by reciprocity. Only rule of law of reciprocity produces markets that discover the balance between private and commons. We fuss and fume over capitalism vs socialism, or authoritarianism vs anarchism, but the only underlying difference is rule of law and reciprocity vs rule by discretion and reciprocity. *For, the only purpose of discretion is, and can be, to violate reciprocity*. And the problem heretofore has been the means of limiting markets by the measurement of capital in toto that changes. Why? Because humans evolved in a world that easily equilibrated their consumptions within the band or tribe – because they could only externalize costs onto the natural world. But at current scale, when we cooperate via host of proxies, we can and do largely externalize against others whether kin, polity, nation, competitors, or man. And man retaliates differently and more immediately from nature against those impositions. So politics is quite simple under meritocracy, and politics is quite complicated under irreciprocity. Under rule of law of reciprocity, markets that result from that rule of law (both private and common) are quite transparent, simple and explicable. Under the irreciprocity of politics and rule by discretion, the results of that discretion (and deception) is not transparent, complicated, and largely inexplicable. The principle problem in achieving reciprocity and transparency is the percentage of your population that can survive competition in the market. If a group cannot survive competition in the market because it has too many members that cannot compete in the market, then political discretion, corruption, and irreciprocity evolve out of the necessity of survival. Ergo the only possible means of producing reciprocity is to prevent the expansion and produce the contraction of those individuals that cannot compete in the market given present technology, resources, and competitors. And in doing so prevent the emergence of a body of elites that employ discretionary rule. This brief passage explains almost all of politics. The british system and the current scandinavian was possible because of such aggressive culling of the underclasses, and the economic dependence upon the militia for both offense and defense. The british model preserved tripartism (clergy, nobility, businessmen-farmers ), and thereby produced a government that funcitoned as a market between the ‘able’ classes (aristocracy, nobility, managers of production, and the church (women and underclasses).) The enlightenment seizure and creating of a monopoly rather than preservation of the market between the classes was made possible by the disproportionate returns on the empirical revolution’s increases in productivity. Yet that marginal increase in productivity which allowed for great concentration of wealth has increasingly dissipated due to the anglo-american and less-so european distribution and enforcement of consumer capitalism (markets). Yet most societies have returned to monopoly government rather than market, because of asymmetries in populations and the utility of concentrating capital in the state as a means of projecting military power by which market advantages are gained. This is all there is to politics. There is very little other to be understood. Everything else is just negotiating position using some sort of fiction.
  • So the truth is that the article is so … amateurish and reliant on straw man (

    So the truth is that the article is so … amateurish and reliant on straw man (the principle tactic of Critique) that it’s intellectually embarrassing to have to debunk it. But since it’s been passed around today I think I’ll just do my usual thing. -cheers.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-03-13 23:44:30 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/973706399690690562

    Reply addressees: @LibertyBrekfast @nathancofnas @TOOEdit

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    @LibertyBrekfast @nathancofnas @TOOEdit And the principle value of that work has been to understand our own strategy and the strategies of all other peoples, so that we can protect ourselves from future Astrologies, Numerologies, theologies, rationalisms, and pseudosciences. And by the same means used in science.

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    @curtdoolittle

    @LibertyBrekfast @nathancofnas @TOOEdit And the principle value of that work has been to understand our own strategy and the strategies of all other peoples, so that we can protect ourselves from future Astrologies, Numerologies, theologies, rationalisms, and pseudosciences. And by the same means used in science.

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/973703750379622400

  • Your belief is not an argument, it is merely a measure of ignorance, hence why y

    Your belief is not an argument, it is merely a measure of ignorance, hence why you keep posting without making one. 😉


    Source date (UTC): 2018-03-13 23:39:05 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/973705034096660480

    Reply addressees: @LibertyBrekfast @nathancofnas @TOOEdit

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/973704007192637440


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    @LibertyBrekfast

    @curtdoolittle @nathancofnas @TOOEdit I don’t believe you have strong evidence for this theory.

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