Theme: Property

  • And that is why chimpmunks fall for it. Because the FALSE PROMISE of consensus i

    And that is why chimpmunks fall for it. Because the FALSE PROMISE of consensus is achieved by suggestion, not by falsification.

    What is the limit of “property”?


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-14 17:43:31 UTC

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    @DeplorableDJDJ .. UPB like all libertarian (half truths), does not state the limit of property, whereas reciprocity does: all demonstrated interests. Note that UPB like rothbardianism doesn’t state the limit. This is why every junior chipmunk agrees with it by suggestion not by testing.

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    @DeplorableDJDJ .. UPB like all libertarian (half truths), does not state the limit of property, whereas reciprocity does: all demonstrated interests. Note that UPB like rothbardianism doesn’t state the limit. This is why every junior chipmunk agrees with it by suggestion not by testing.

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  • UPB like all libertarian (half truths), does not state the limit of property, wh

    .. UPB like all libertarian (half truths), does not state the limit of property, whereas reciprocity does: all demonstrated interests. Note that UPB like rothbardianism doesn’t state the limit. This is why every junior chipmunk agrees with it by suggestion not by testing.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-14 17:40:47 UTC

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    @DeplorableDJDJ Because man is demonstrably amoral, and chooses moral (reciprocity) action or immoral (irreciprocal) action to the maximum of his net benefit.

    Furthermore….

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    @DeplorableDJDJ Because man is demonstrably amoral, and chooses moral (reciprocity) action or immoral (irreciprocal) action to the maximum of his net benefit.

    Furthermore….

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  • I think you’re missing my point. It’s that the market demand for irreciprocal be

    I think you’re missing my point. It’s that the market demand for irreciprocal behavior has required incremental suppression under the law of tort (property) paid for by exchange of local rents and friction for centralization of fees (taxes) and lowering friction+higher velocity.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-14 17:35:56 UTC

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  • P-CONSTITUTION AND “CAPITALISM” —“so is ok for a person who has made a lot of

    P-CONSTITUTION AND “CAPITALISM”

    —“so is ok for a person who has made a lot of money to loan it out to people who need money for a fee? That is capitalism baby.”—

    ^Non logical.

    Investment in production vs rent seeking on consumption.

    Every half truth in libertarianism obscures a greater lie.

    The function of interest is pulling forward time (income) for both borrower (producer), lender – AND consumer.

    The only reason not to conquer and enserf or enslave others is the benefits of cooperation under reciprocity, where reciprocity is free of reasons for retaliation, or worse: productive, fully informed, warrantied, voluntary exchange, free of negative externalities upon one’s kin and allies.

    We propose separating productive (investment) credit, from consumer (consumptive) credit, and eliminating consumer credit, and therefore eliminating rent-seeking on others (where rent seeking means profiting from not contributing to production or risk of production). This is just one aspect of where we eliminate rent seeking free riding, socialization of losses and privatization of commons, thereby forcing people into PRODUCTIVE markets and out of markets for rent seeking (parasitism).

    Second, we propose bypassing the financial sector in order to maintain monetary velocity and money supply thus inverting the distribution of incentives (liquidity) from top by speculation, to bottom by demonstration.

    Third, we treat citizens as shareholders who may demand dividends, or tolerate state investment.

    Fourth, we grant all citizens an asset (title), savings, spending(checking), bills, credit, and dividend account and a card to access it directly from the treasury. These funds are un-attachable, and all debts clearable under bankruptcy. (We restore lender beware, which is part of our suppression of ((())) false promise, baiting into hazard). When liquidity is needed it will be distributed directly to citizens as spending, and the commercial sector will fight over that money, and the financial sector fight over supplying the commercial sector with resources. This ends financial parasitism, and it ends international parasitism upon Americans -which should, if I am correct, rapidly alter the world order in our favor again.

    Fifth, where we have indirectly used the military to fund basic research and ‘health’ to fund basic research, we instead limit what is considered research (gutting the pseudosciences), and created opportunity for more basic research, state retention of proceeds from inventions therefrom, and transferred what is the equivalent of Goldman Sachs, Citi, JP Morgan, to the Treasury, where anyone can propose investments and the people rather than world (alien) elites can benefit from massive investments. In other words we restore the monarchical investment model, or, what is practiced in silicon valley today. This preserves the role of agents for investors – so we still can create wealthy individuals, but it nationalizes the risk, interest, and appreciation on gains, rather than having them privatized by an international elite. This is the western( market) version of how the Chinese(monopoly) have weaponized their financial sector. It will eradicate the world financial class’ ability to use the USA as it’s private hunting preserve.

    Sixth, this consequence (should) drive out tolerance for immigration and tolerance for government, since all government spending, and all immigration only serves to decrease individual income from dividends and liquidity distributions.

    Seventh, combined with reformation of the academy (college costs) this should restore the ability for a single income family to produce replacement level children.

    Capitalism (no common property) like Communism (no private property) is a Jewish invention – libertarianism is just communism for the middle class, like communism is for the working class, like jewish neoconservatism and globalism are for the elite class. These are not european traditions (class markets) they are class-monopolies.

    Europeans practice rule of law, of reciprocity, of tort, and warranty, meaning demonstrated interest, and markets are the result.

    Commons are necessary to compete for people. All peoples MUST practice state-private ventures on capital investment beyond the horizon and risk tolerance of individual and institutional investors. So mixed economies are necessary.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-14 11:13:00 UTC

  • Property rights are a commons. Institutions, Traditions, Norms are commons. Terr

    Property rights are a commons.
    Institutions, Traditions, Norms are commons.
    Territory, Monuments and parks are commons.
    There is nothing distributed but their Use (See “Usus”).
    We are prohibited from their consumption (privatization).


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-09 15:35:57 UTC

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  • (Under P we would do much more such investment but we would retain appreciation

    (Under P we would do much more such investment but we would retain appreciation and earnings. )


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-09 14:36:42 UTC

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  • NO, YOU DON”T GET IT I don’t get to ‘appeal’ to markets. The law doesn’t do that

    NO, YOU DON”T GET IT
    I don’t get to ‘appeal’ to markets. The law doesn’t do that. We use the law to create policy that appeals to markets WITHIN the natural law.

    I CANT compromise without… https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=549984685598426&id=100017606988153


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-09 03:03:07 UTC

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  • THE MAIN PROPERTARIAN INNOVATIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS THAT COMPLETE WESTERN LAW A

    THE MAIN PROPERTARIAN INNOVATIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS THAT COMPLETE WESTERN LAW AND ARISTOTELIAN EPISTEMOLOGY.

    by Alain Dwight

    My current copy/paste of what is P is pretty much a break down at the narrative level:

    Here’s what I think the main Propertarian innovations/clarifications are that complete western (common/tort) law and Aristotelian epistemology.

    1 – Testimonilaism: The tests you can use to attempt to falsify a claim and truth as real rather an ideal, meaning truth is an adjective meaning “claim I can warranty has survived all means of falsification known to man”

    Link:

    https://propertarianism.com/2018/01/14/what-does-truth-mean-and-what-is-its-adjective-form/

    2 – Law as descriptive (framed as the science of co-operation and agency): retaliation and high trust can be deterministically predicted based on measuring reciprocity and impositions against property-en-toto. Errosion of trust erodes social norms and this cascades down to the rest of commons required to accumulate agency and retain sovereignty.

    Natural law says “if you do this your group will fail.” Common/tort law is men saying “we’re not going to let you do this because we refuse to be a failed group.”

    3 – Property-en-toto: all investments acquired without violating reciprocity that a person is willing and able to defend (whereas certain forms of damage against normative and informational commons were exploitable loopholes in tort law – hence we see hte industrialization of professional deception)

    4 – Reciprocity as deterministic: reciprocity will be exchanged by co-operation when interactions are “productive, fully informed, warrantied, voluntarily exchanged, and free of imposition upon others by externality.” Otherwise reciprocity will be exchanged by means of conflict.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-06 20:29:00 UTC

  • SILLY PEOPLE, SOPHISTRY-TRIX ARE FOR KIDS! (P law forces people into exchanges f

    SILLY PEOPLE, SOPHISTRY-TRIX ARE FOR KIDS!

    (P law forces people into exchanges for what they desire. That isthe purpose of the law: to force people out of rent seeking, parasitism and predation and into markets for survival.)

    Dear Silly Person;

    You should really ask questions rather than presume you are somewhere, anywhere, near capable of conversation let alone argument, on a multiple subjects that have frustrated thought leaders in mathematics, logic, economics, science, philosophy, jurisprudence and law. But you lack sufficient domain knowledge in any of those disciplines to put forth an argument, or even ask questions. So you are stuck with disapproval and sophistry. That’s ok. Because these dialogs … although apparently a waste of time … serve to educate followers by example.

    —“This isn’t woo; it’s wisdom”–

    No. It’s either (a) an admission of failure to solve the problem of the age, and a justification for continuation of predation, parasitism, fraud and deceit upon the people who certainly sense ‘something is wrong’ but have no idea what to do about it. I (we) solved the problem. It was a very hard problem. It took standing on a host of giants largely in the 20th century to do it. But it was a solvable problem because of their successes and failures. Or it’s (b) an act of fraud by which you seek to obscure some crime you yourself profit from. (I expect the latter.)

    —“Propertarians think the fact that their system has an answer for everything is its strength”—

    No it’s just a test of falsehood and irreciprocity in public to the public on matters public – particularly the abrahamic method of deceit that created the past dark age and has brought us to the bring of a second.

    —“P has a vision of society extrapolated from computer programming, “—

    Between the failure of the 19th-20th analytic program to discover any justificationary method, and the success of Falsificationism, Operationalism, and Programming in finally merging epistemology with testimony and law – ending the platonic (ideal) and set-logic programs, just as the success of empiricism ended the theological and analogistic-logic program, yes, I was, we were, able to apply falsification, operationalization, and formal grammar to the law, thereby completing the conversion of all of previously philosophical (justificationary) disciplines to science (evidentiary) – leaving philosophy to the domain of choosing preferenes and goods, and science with truth-falsehood(falsehood) and reciprocity-irreciprocity(harm).

    As such we are able to repair weaknesses in the Common Law tradition, and the anglo saxon constitutions, because of failures of a formal logic, and prior lack of necessity of formal logic, given the state of lying and undermining available to the law prior to the second abrahamic revolution in deceit.

    —“letter of the law is easily manipulated by unconscious people”—

    Why isn’t mathematics or programming subject to that failure? It’s perfectly possible to make legal prose both simple and equally impossible to undermine. I mean, division by zero exists. The halting problem exists. Some questions in law are “under-decidable” and as such must be left to the preference of the people. But these are not defects they are features.

    —“Abrahamists and feminine thinkers have been incentivized to shut up by being subordinated or liquidated, “—

    You don’t know this but P largely restores defamation, sacredness of commons, and the crimes of baiting into hazard. in other words, these were loosened

    P is a formal operational logic for testing against falsehood and ir-reciprocity sufficient for use in writing constitutions, legislation, regulation, findings of law, and contract in strictly constructed form under original intent – that as the framers intended force transactional (process) modification of the law under rule of law, wherein judges can discover applications of that law, but not invent new law – inventing law is limited to legislators. Rule of law is the traditional anglo saxon method of rule, within which we have constructed both monarchical, parliamentary, and multi house republican governments under the english, american, Canadian, and Australian constitutions. The innovation in P-law is that it prohibits the means of undermining that law by solving the problem of demarcation between truthful and reciprocal and untruthful and ir-reciprocal speech, just as it solves the demarcation problem of scientific vs unscientific speech, and does so in the traditional manner of demarcation used in the law: standards (lists) of minimum due diligence.

    1) People require mindfulness – this is something we understand. It’s emotional-intuitionistic fitness (training) just as they need physical fitness, and rational fitness (training). That’s even before we get to training them with skills. The demand for fitness-substitutes (drugs, religions, ideologies, fictions) is driven by failures to provide fitness. It is certainly true that the vehicle for providing fitness must reflect the agency (ability) of the individual: submission (woo woo/buddhism), living within means (stoicism/epicureanism), or maximizing one’s abilities (Heroism/Achievement). But there are no conditions under which falsehood and irreciprocity are necessary. And moreover, there is no reason that those lacking agency (those lacking agency, those that are incompetents, those that are infantilized) should be left as resources for malcontents undermining civilization by false promise, baiting into hazard, and profiting from it. In other words, those that are weak of ability and agency must be educated so that they are not a harm to society. The question is only the least harmful and most beneficial means of educating them. After all, that is the only justification for mass education: so that the masses are not indolent dependents upon the productivity of their betters.

    2) People always justify their crimes. People always demonstrate the minimum ethics and morality that they can reliably get away with. Why would we not expect frauds, thieves, and harmers to resist the formal criminalization of their fraud, thievery, and harm by creating a market for the prosecution of, restitution of, and prevention of their fraud, thievery, and harm?

    3) Peoples universally adapt to laws whenever a market is created by the law for the prosecution of fraud, thievery and harm. Why would people not adapt to the suppression of all the means by which they are parasited upon by advertising, finance, politics, academy, and a vast invading underclass? Why wouldn’t the vast majority of people prefer the eradication of baiting into hazard with false promise and asymmetry of information, and asymmetry of incentive from the commons? Why would it be other than wonderful to force political organizations to compromise rather than to conduct propaganda and deceit in the population?

    4) Straw manning is adorable. So lets move from sophistry to science, and let’s run tests: Pick three subjects that you think is anything from controversial to ordinary that might generate public conflict or appear before the court. I’ll respond. 1, 2, 3 or a, b, c. Doesn’t matter.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-06 14:24:00 UTC

  • WHY ARE CONTRACTS A MESS? 0) Reality: all contracts are just form letters with n

    WHY ARE CONTRACTS A MESS?

    0) Reality: all contracts are just form letters with names and dates in them. All that changes is the list of assets, and the rights and obligations of both parties – and mostly, it’s the obligations for both parties, ’cause rights only exist if the contract fails. The courts have spent decades since the rise of text databases in the 80’s making sure that there is settled law for almost everything you can bring before it – so much so that the only job left in court is who either (a) lied, or (b) failed due diligence (c ) sought an unearned premium at the other’s expense.

    1)Surprisingly lawyers are taught contract law, not how to write contracts. And they will write for other lawyers most of the time, sometimes for in-house counsel, other times for skilled people, and otherwise for ordinary citizens. So absent this they learn to write contracts by the cut-and-paste method of contract development. So contracts accumulate ‘waste’ so to speak in most offices. They don’t accumulate solutions to problems.

    The courts (federal, state, local) do not put out standard contract formats that force what’s called “transactional” work into standard form. When in reality, the law does not grant much flexibility in these matters.

    Terms of art are largely bullshit claims. Judges are not stupid. Jurors are not stupid.

    The reality is that contracts are not complicated. My particular ‘thing’ is shareholder agreements. They don’t have to be complicated. They have to hit al the points in simple language. All contracts are like this, if (a) definitions are put on a separate page, (b) the before-and-after diagrams are displayed in visual form, ( c) a project-plan for signing the agreements in the appropriate sequence and the purpose of each one is stated in that plan (document), that states the title or interest change it enacts. (think of it as an accounting transaction with ledger entries). (d) each section includes a whereas “this is what we seek to accomplish” and therefore the terms of the contract in legal prose. (lawyers will resist this because it prevents people from pulling shit out of thin air, but that’s exactly why to do it.

    And this is the most simple – just capture the bullet list of concerns from everyone involved and make sure you’ve resolved them satisfactorily for all parties.

    And this is the most uncomfortable: Those engaging the contract do not inform the lawyers of the full suite of advantages that may arise from the deal, and the lawyers do not list all the reasons that they think the contract (arrangement) will fail.

    Truth: I generally have to tell lawyers to let me manage risk (that’s my job as a business person) and you create the level of contract suitable to my target risk. This is how you ‘Price’ a contract so to speak. By risk reward and resource expenditure *your time*.

    2) Current legal training is antithetical to business, because it begins as teaching the adversarial method – it does not teach means of reaching compromise, settlement, or methods of cooperation that must adapt to changing circumstances. This leads people in defense to ‘double down’ on conflict rather than double down on compromise. This is not how business people resolve conflicts. So really there are two stages. the ones exterior to the contract, and the terms that will fight before the court if the contract fails. My understanding is that this is a problem of failing to require via positiva statements of intent for every via-negativa bit of blame. In other words contracts do not spend time on the via positiva means of settling error, failure of due diligence, change in circumstance.

    3) The legal teams try to add unnecessary value to justify jobs (this is endemic). I see this all over the place. The problem is malincentives in legal fees: especially hourly. The problem is revenue constraints. In other words we have too many lawyers, working too hard, to drive up fees, and a court that doesn’t stop it, and a population that has no choice.

    4) Courts work too often by win/lose instead of proportional settlements. This is partly by design to force settlement prior to court, and then turning the courtroom into a lottery of uncertainty, where the outcome is worse than settlement – it is not what the framers or common law judges in history intended.

    5) Irreciprocal competency and scale of legal teams means they compete for providing opportunities for advantage rather than due diligence in preventing advantage.

    6) systemic abandonment of moral norms has led to the need to articulate what was normative in law.

    7) the law is lagging behind the rate of evolution of the complexity of contracts.

    8) The law does not prevent entrapments as it used to, because it defers to the wisdom of business people (good) but not to baiting into hazard.

    9) Law does not punish (as it used to) abuses of the court, the law, the contract so it is worthwhile for full time legal teams or lawyers to bill by the hour to use the economics to drive a settlement or court decision.

    That’s just the surface.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-01-05 17:23:00 UTC