Theme: Deception

photos_and_videos/TimelinePhotos_SxeO6JU-xg/45382362_10156754956122264_2516246022456344576_o_10156754956107264.jpg I have (((Their))) Method of Argument down in form. James has it down in stages of argument and counter-argument. We just need to educate everyone on it. Then we need to educate everyone that the only reason to NOT engage in ‘warfare’ and instead in debate, is if we are actually debating in order to determine a trade when we don’t agree, or a good, when we do. Then we need to engage in ‘War’ often enough that we suppress the ‘poisoning of the well’.Andrea RoyallLet me sum up Librarian Vee.. “I don’t understand a fucking thing you said because those words are not in my vocabulary. I’m too lazy and entilted to educate myself. Nor, why should I because I’m chosen..”Nov 4, 2018, 8:54 AMCurt DoolittleI took it as an honest statement of “thank you for listing those out for me”. I realize it can be taken either way. But I riffed off it.Nov 4, 2018, 8:54 AMAndrea RoyallThats because you are far more patient that I am. It’s why you do what you do 🙂Nov 4, 2018, 8:55 AMGiego CaleiroJoao FabianoNov 4, 2018, 8:58 AMNick DahlheimAndrea Royall I love you because you’re ferocious for the truthNov 4, 2018, 9:03 AMCurt DoolittleAndrea Royall did you … did you just try to call me a nice guy? lolNov 4, 2018, 9:04 AMCurt Doolittle(Don’t tell anyone. I covet my reputation as a dick)Nov 4, 2018, 9:05 AMRob EllermanIt should be relatively simple to identify “moralistic” argumentation — “I’m not yet convinced you can argue without it” —- it’s the god damn virtue signaling and white knighting – I call it context dropping … these people can’t hold or don’t want to hold any propositions against uniform criteria … the lower IQ right is prone to this as well … they pick their team then throw shit arguments at the wall in machine gun fashion hoping something sticksNov 4, 2018, 9:14 AMJeff UrizenThe lefts only moral dynamic is caring /fairness. They simply Ignore loyalty, authority, and sanctity. The problem is really on the right, the right doesn’t understand morality well, it understands traditional values specifically, it can verbalize the specific beliefs it holds like patriotism, but it doesn’t understand the structure that those traditional values fall into, and if you lack that information it’s hard to argue why they matter. If you don’t understand the structure of morality you can’t see that the left is merely winning by ignoring moral dynamics completely, they’re taking things out of context, and the right is failing to be able to say “hey what about loyalty, what about authority, or sanctity. You have to make the left answer the questions of these other moral dynamics. We need a cultural shift where these dynamics each get a day in court in the political Dialoge.Nov 4, 2018, 9:23 AMAndrea RoyallCurt Doolittle me?? I said patient…. 🙂 no way I’d imply you were a nice guy…Nov 4, 2018, 9:27 AMRob EllermanThey signal caring and fairness … but drop the context when it doesn’t serve their implicit ends … happens on the right all the time

In terms of values – I don’t care whether they are traditional or not – the question is “what are the consequences of a consistent application of the proposition?” If you don’t drop the context of your implicationsNov 4, 2018, 9:31 AMAndrea RoyallI’d posit that you cannot have caring/fairness without loyalty, authority, sanctity.. and ultimately, agency. It’s all just a facade otherwise. Which, in my mind, perfectly describes the left.

And the issue with morality on the right is that it derives it’s morality from Christianity, wholesale. That’s a lot of deprogramming that has to happen.Nov 4, 2018, 9:39 AMRob EllermanAndrea Royall how do we square the idea that Europeans have genetically determinate reproductive strategies – but are also “programmable” via Christian edicts and “deprogrammable” via propertarian thinking 🤔Nov 4, 2018, 10:17 AMAndrea RoyallThat’s a very good question. Curt has more answers to that. I broke that programming long ago. Basically, because I was a questioning, impetuous child that didn’t accept authority. I haven’t changed much since.. lolNov 4, 2018, 10:19 AMRob EllermanAndrea Royall I think my disposition was probably pretty similar 👌Nov 4, 2018, 10:26 AMAndrea RoyallChristianity cut Europeans from their roots.. just as Islam has done to the Iraqis and Syrians. Less so for the Lebanese and Persians. Which, I find, quite interestingNov 4, 2018, 10:29 AMRob EllermanNature or nurture Curt Doolittle?Nov 4, 2018, 10:29 AMGilberto CarlosA sniper is patient.Nov 4, 2018, 10:59 AMJames Lyons Sr.I’ll stand the thin blue line between respect my light and fear my dark until cut down because my nuts ( those I love) won’t stay in the bag…and cause me to venture and strayNov 4, 2018, 11:10 AMAndrea RoyallCurt is our philosophical sniper.. 🙂Nov 4, 2018, 12:11 PMI have (((Their))) Method of Argument down in form. James has it down in stages of argument and counter-argument. We just need to educate everyone on it. Then we need to educate everyone that the only reason to NOT engage in ‘warfare’ and instead in debate, is if we are actually debating in order to determine a trade when we don’t agree, or a good, when we do. Then we need to engage in ‘War’ often enough that we suppress the ‘poisoning of the well’.