CATEGORIES OF LIES?
—“Nanavati classifies lies into the following categories:”–
ambiguity
bluff
brazen
conceit
contextual
dissembling
emergency
equivocate
exaggeration
fabrication
fraud
gender specific
institutional
jargonese
jest
linguistic
noble
omission
pathological
perjury
propaganda
relationship
to children
vindictive
white.
Source date (UTC): 2015-12-08 07:31:00 UTC
INTELLIGENCE AND DECEPTION
Q: More intelligent children tend to be more deceptive—can you explain this?
A: The experiment was simplicity itself. A child is asked to sit facing away from a box. The experimenter puts something in the box and says “Do not peek, do not peek” and then leaves the room. Most children peek. The experimenter returns and asks, “Did you peek?” Most children lie—but they do so the more frequently the brighter they are, as judged by a simple cognitive test. If your child is especially bright, he or she lies 100 percent of the time, slow 65 percent of the time. The same thing is true for health at birth. The healthier you are the more apt you are to lie 4 years later.
Source date (UTC): 2015-12-08 06:38:00 UTC
RETALIATION IS THE TEST OF LYING, NOT INTENT.
Retaliation is the test of whether you’ve stated a white vs grey or black lie. If someone will retaliate, or feel the need to retaliate, or be negatively disposed to you for your lie, then it’s not to be done. If the person will thank you for it, then it should be. If I am ever again in an ambulance, please tell me I will be fine because I need it. I will thank you for it.
Paternal Lying: I lie to children – we all do to some degree – because they can’t understand the truth at times. I notice that I ‘lie’ pretty often by giving people partial information just so that I don’t have to give them a full explanation – for the simple purpose of saving time, energy, and patience. I notice that if people are treating me dishonestly, or stupidly, i let them believe what they want, rather than correct them or challenge them – to save effort and stress. When I was young in business during the Yuppie era I engaged in misdirection. When I negotiate I engage in misdirection to gain access to information. But in general I try to avoid immoral OUTCOMES, and to produce moral outcomes. This is a form of paternalism that is in fact, dishonest. Yet I am not sure it is immoral. I have very few things I regret in life and many of them are before I made a rather dramatic change in my own outlook and decided to invest in teaching people instead of outwitting them. I have a few regrets in business not because I was dishonest, but because I was simply wrong and it appeared I was dishonest. Usually I do the opposite: hold the moral high ground at all costs, even to my detriment. But that does not prevent one from engaging in outcome ethics rather than rule or virtue ethics. Hence, paternal lying: when there exists and asymmetry of understanding, knowledge and ability, such that higher moral purpose is preserved by use of knowledge than by adherence to virtue or deontological rules.
(Interesting. first draft. I haven’t worked through that idea before.)
Source date (UTC): 2015-12-08 04:53:00 UTC
IT’S NOT A FALLACY, IT’S A DECEIT. (First Draft)
Working through Rallying and Shaming (which are threats of non-cooperation), through the techniques used against the west, if not against all humans.
I come up with this hierarchy as a first draft.
1) Gossiping, Shaming, Rallying (Threatening with non-cooperation)
2) Loading, Framing, Overloading (Saturation)
3) Distraction, Half-Truth/Suggestion, Big Lie (Substitution overloading)
4) Magic, Monotheism, Pseudoscience (loaded and framed big lie)
5) Interpersonal, Square/Pulpit/Podium, Media (overloaded big lie)
6) State, Academy and School, Entertainment and Media
All of which are attacks on the subconscious to force the application of pathological altruism, rather than reason and skepticism.
Source date (UTC): 2015-12-07 14:33:00 UTC
COMBINE SCIENCE, TRUTH, PHILOSOPHY, MORALITY, LAW, AND ECONOMICS – CLEANSE THE EART OF LIES AND THEFT, AND WE WILL BE IN PRACTICE GODS [P]hysical Science as practiced is merely incomplete. When completed, Science is a moral discipline laundering imagination from free association. Physical Science advanced faster than Social Science because in Physical, truth is advantageous – and in Social lying often is. 0) Seven Moral Warranties compete science, and unify truth, science, philosophy, morality, law, politics and economics. 1) Identity (non-conflation) 2) internal consistency (logical), 3) external consistency (correspondence) …. 4) Existential Possibility(Operationalism), 5) Morality(voluntary transfers), 6) Parsimony(limits), 7) Full Accounting… Without these seven warranties one cannot honestly promise that he adheres to his oath to forgo harm, theft and deceit. So why should we permit to live among us those who will not take and keep this oath – as we have, for thousands of years? If one cannot warranty the truthfulness of one’s speech, then why should such a person be permitted to speak? The first question of ethics is: “Why do we not kill others?” Only because productivity is superior if we cooperate. But Parasitism is Not Cooperation, it is predation. Hence if we don’t benefit from cooperation it’s foolish to practice it. And if we do not practice cooperation then the rational choice is ostracization – and if parasitic, then conquest – but not Tolerance. So if man or woman will not take and adhere to the oath, and survive the test of adhering to it, we must shun or kill them. This is truth said, truth reasoned, and truth acted. Leave no man alive who engages in theft or deception. And when the world is clean, leaving only speakers of the truth, then we shall be gods in name, actions and genes. Curt Doolittle The Philosophy of Aristocracy The Propertarian Institute Kiev Ukraine (ps: my ongoing mission to cleanse western civilization of fallacies, and restore it to its origins as the people who speak the truth)
COMBINE SCIENCE, TRUTH, PHILOSOPHY, MORALITY, LAW, AND ECONOMICS – CLEANSE THE EART OF LIES AND THEFT, AND WE WILL BE IN PRACTICE GODS [P]hysical Science as practiced is merely incomplete. When completed, Science is a moral discipline laundering imagination from free association. Physical Science advanced faster than Social Science because in Physical, truth is advantageous – and in Social lying often is. 0) Seven Moral Warranties compete science, and unify truth, science, philosophy, morality, law, politics and economics. 1) Identity (non-conflation) 2) internal consistency (logical), 3) external consistency (correspondence) …. 4) Existential Possibility(Operationalism), 5) Morality(voluntary transfers), 6) Parsimony(limits), 7) Full Accounting… Without these seven warranties one cannot honestly promise that he adheres to his oath to forgo harm, theft and deceit. So why should we permit to live among us those who will not take and keep this oath – as we have, for thousands of years? If one cannot warranty the truthfulness of one’s speech, then why should such a person be permitted to speak? The first question of ethics is: “Why do we not kill others?” Only because productivity is superior if we cooperate. But Parasitism is Not Cooperation, it is predation. Hence if we don’t benefit from cooperation it’s foolish to practice it. And if we do not practice cooperation then the rational choice is ostracization – and if parasitic, then conquest – but not Tolerance. So if man or woman will not take and adhere to the oath, and survive the test of adhering to it, we must shun or kill them. This is truth said, truth reasoned, and truth acted. Leave no man alive who engages in theft or deception. And when the world is clean, leaving only speakers of the truth, then we shall be gods in name, actions and genes. Curt Doolittle The Philosophy of Aristocracy The Propertarian Institute Kiev Ukraine (ps: my ongoing mission to cleanse western civilization of fallacies, and restore it to its origins as the people who speak the truth)
#NRx This is truth said, truth reasoned, and truth acted. Leave no man alive who engages in theft or deception.
Source date (UTC): 2015-12-07 12:00:04 UTC
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@Outsideness Physical Science as practiced is merely incomplete. Science is a moral discipline laundering imagination from free association.
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@Outsideness Physical Science as practiced is merely incomplete. Science is a moral discipline laundering imagination from free association.
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#NRx Without these seven warranties one cannot honestly promise that he adheres to his oath to forgo harm, theft and deceit.
Source date (UTC): 2015-12-07 11:53:27 UTC
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@Outsideness Physical Science as practiced is merely incomplete. Science is a moral discipline laundering imagination from free association.
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@Outsideness Physical Science as practiced is merely incomplete. Science is a moral discipline laundering imagination from free association.
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Physical Science advanced faster than Social Science because in Physical, truth is advantageous – and in Social lying often is.
Source date (UTC): 2015-12-07 11:47:08 UTC
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—“Curt Doolittle , did you ever think about the fact that truth is boring and lying (telling stories) makes the life beautiful? You have to be talented in order to lie, not everybody can do it well… BuI bet that many people have not the time and patience to read your arguments…”—Grete Tartler Tabarasi
[I] think many things. Among them, that I agree that lying is a talent. I also agree that murder, violence, theft, fraud, fraud by omission, free riding, privatization of the commons conspiracy, conversion, invasion and conquest require great skill. And that theft by such methods is rewarding and enjoyable – and certainly preferable to engaging in production, holding to contract and promise, and speaking the truth and the whole truth. So some of us must do the yeoman’s labor of capturing, chaining, imprisoning and hanging those who murder, steal, lie, and cheat.