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photos_and_videos/TimelinePhotos_SxeO6JU-xg/52508044_10156975689627264_5443115653126946816_n_10156975689622264.jpg Steven MillerI’ve tried to explain small portions of propertarianism to “normie” people I know and this notion is the brick wall. They agree with everything else but this is the deal breaker. How do I maneuver around this? Do I start with attacking the sky daddy? Omit that part all together?Feb 9, 2019, 7:13 PMJohn MarkSteven Miller I tell them you cam have your religion you just cant let it be parasitic. “I believe in Jesus” yes. “I believe in Jesus therefore we must invite 10 million 85-IQ 3rd worlders into our country” no.Feb 9, 2019, 8:01 PMSteven MillerThe people I talk with want their political representatives to be openly religious and make decisions from that base. They dont want immigration. I dont really bother with speaking to Democrats as I have better things to waste my time on.

This topic is becoming my go-to because it is my only challenge. I know people will dismiss Curt’s work because of the delivery so I try to dumb it down but I dont know how to dumb this topic down. The generational religious brainwashing is strongFeb 9, 2019, 9:02 PMCharles M TriplettSteven Miller I hold strong religious convictions. With that offered at the outset, I would be more inclined to support a government rooted in my same religious beliefs than I would an atheistic government, or one of false religion (Islam, Catholicism, etc.), because however bad religious governments may have been in the past, Godless governments are much worse, for they have nothing restraining them from evil works.Feb 9, 2019, 9:27 PMJohn MarkSteven Miller tactic to try possibly: “why are there so many different Christian denominations who all interpret the Bible differently?” (“Uhhh…) Answer: “the Bible is easy to misinterpret. Do you want our law to be easy to misinterpret so parasites can get a foot in the door? The law has to be bulletproof. Thus our law cannot be based on the Bible cuz too long, too easy to misinterpret & Jesus hasn’t shown up yet to interpret it perfectly.”

Also – “you’ve never had a Christian President. They all claim to be, but none of them is a true Christian, including Trump. If you want a Christian president/ruler/leader/king, come up with a plan to make it happen. We (Propertarians) have a plan to institute parasite-proof govt, we have a parasite-proof constitution written (almost finished), and it punishes evil like the book of Romans says govt is supposed to do. Get on board or get out of the way. Until Jesus comes back hop on board the next best thing.”Feb 9, 2019, 10:09 PMCurt DoolittleVery very smart.Feb 9, 2019, 10:10 PMCurtus MaximusSteven Miller You’re right, the brainwashing is strong.

Come at it from the economist’s perspective, then work your way to showing them how lies of others can serve to aid in direct theft in things that matter to them like things they consider property. And that currently the only way to keep these people from aiding in that theft entails ending their lies and forcing them into a form of negotiation instead.

And when it comes to the religious stuff, you have to treat the message very delicately. But like I’ve done with you (in my opinion), the strategy I used with you came to me easily because I already know you, and I (at least I think I know you) know that you care about others well-being, you always try to lighten up the situation with good humor and sincerity, and you make very wise decisions in how you treat others.

So, I knew you wanted assurance that people you consider innocent people could have their unique way they get fulfillment out of life preserved for them to keep. Which, I think I did that fairly successfully so far.Feb 9, 2019, 10:36 PMSteven MillerIn my experience, the difference of interpretation doesnt matter as long as the core beliefs are the same. As the man above said, a Christian gt is better than an atheist gt.

The ultimatum approach may work when the “time” comes but in everyday conversation it won’t.Feb 9, 2019, 10:36 PMCurt DoolittleThere is no conflict between christianity and the natural law – they are identical. However, there is a profound conflict between what christians may publicly claim is true and the natural law. This is a problem for christianity per se, just as it is for islam and judaism. If there is a conflict between christianity(faith) and the law(science) then science prevails under the law,Feb 9, 2019, 10:40 PMJohn MarkSteven Miller the ultimatum approach combined with “there have been no sincere christian presidents (at least not recently) is designed to remind them that there is a huge difference between what they want, and what they get. To snap them out of their idealism. Do you want to be ruled by leftism? Or not? We have a solution. To demand that our solution have a christian leader at the top of it is ridiculous since you dont have that now and never have.Feb 9, 2019, 10:49 PMCurtus MaximusSteven Miller I think you (by that I mean hypothetically you along with others with similar or virtually identical evolutionary strategies) could form your own form of gt however you’d like given you’ve created it honestly and contractually and it passes the test of scientific morality. Then on top of that you can do whatever, if I interpret how the propertarian system would work correctly.Feb 9, 2019, 10:57 PMSteven MillerGood stuff here. I keep coming back to this subject as I see as the only thing to stop us. I’ve been slowly chipping away at my immediate circle of influence. My strategy has always been devil’s advocate but I think it’s time for a more direct approach.Feb 9, 2019, 11:05 PMCurtus MaximusSteven Miller Good luck. Try using the e-prime and write some thoughts down in it. You may have some insights.Feb 9, 2019, 11:08 PMSteven MillerThat’s like Greek to most people. I have to translate for everyone I’ve shown it to. No, you all have that horse to ride. I’m just trying to see we all arrive at the same place.Feb 9, 2019, 11:11 PMBenjamin IrelandHe’s not invisible, he’s just really far away!Feb 10, 2019, 12:21 AMGreg HamiltonBenjamin Ireland or is he really close and really really small?Feb 13, 2019, 5:53 PM