ROMAN AFERLIFE
Much more like ghosts. This is our natural religion in both pre-IE and IE eras. The Underworld. We are not promised anything per se. It is more that if our wishes are not repected, our ghosts will influence the lives of the living unfavorably.
In other words. “debts”.
Religion is debt.
Why?
Morality is debt.
Source date (UTC): 2020-02-11 15:14:00 UTC
—-“Just because something is defined as chaotic does not mean that it is any less causal as anything that is non-chaotic. There is no such thing as chaos objectively in the material world. There just is a state of matter in the state it is. Order is an expression of value that does not exist in matter. Certainly, we would, if all atoms were clustered by their kind, conventionally define this as order. But any other configuration of matter could just as validly be defined as order if given any other subjective idea of order. That is without any objective validity at all. You cannot assign objective value to the material world inside the material. That is logically baseless.
Grammar is nothing but subjective, objectively invalid expression if it does not have basis in the immaterial.”—Tobias Grill
I think you think you made sense there.
It requires memory to determine whether changes in state are preserved over time (including no change in state) by whatever interval of time we arbitrarily choose.
order is the name we give to a successful test of preservation of changes in state over time, and determinism to the repeatability of a change in state over time.
chaos is the name we give to the impossibility of successfully testing a preservation of change in state over some period of time at some degree of resolution.
At the particle level the world is only deterministic within the scope of the wave function.
Below the particle level it may only be causal density is such that a test of constant relations over time will always fail at any level below the particle level (i suspect we will discover it shortly).
So far we decrease the level of resolution until we identify a pattern, and we increase the level of resolution until we identify the next pattern. Likewise we increase the periodicity or decrease the periodicity of the sample to identify patterns. Using those two techniques we are able to identify patterns at every scale.
Scale is determined by the availability of steady states. So waves, particles, atoms, molecules etc constitute steady states that we can describe with vocabulary and operations (grammars).
So while we may vary either the time or resolution of our inquiry we will discover different scales at which we discover commensurable steady states that limit the scope of further steady states.
So to say order doesn’t exist is false because the universe is definitely deterministic, definitely produces a hierarchy of steady states, and a subsequent set of permutations that limit or enable a subsequent set of steady states.
If you wish to say instead that the universe is just matter (or energy density) in motion and that order is the name for our discovery of constant relations in time at constant relations of scale, then you are describing the same thing from firsts, second, or third person. Nothing more.
GRAMMAR
Grammar in P refers to a paradigm of constant relations, a vocabulary (name (state, proptery), action(operation, property)) and the grammar (rules of continuous recursive disambiguation) necessary to construct a contract for agreement on meaning.
Source date (UTC): 2020-02-11 15:10:00 UTC
WHAT DO PAGAN(ANCESTOR) AND HEATHEN (NATURE) RELIGIONS ASK OF US?
The only thing heathen (nature) and pagan(archetype) religions ask of us is to acknowledge debts of our inheritance so that we pass that inheritance ‘unspent’ on to others.
The rest is an excuse to find relaxation, comfort, entertainment and and joy with others in some activity other than running, hunting, or eating.
What you call spiritual is the result of two biological processes.
The first is just auto association that is constantly going on in your brain. The human part of our brain never stops, we merely regulate attention or wakefulness to increase or decrease its activity – but it’s always working even in sleep. If It is always engaged in transforming perception into a world model, predicting from that world model, focusing our attention to narrow on some prediction or other, or when not doing so, it’s in continuous rehearsal of short term memory to convert it to long term, and auto association of stimuli to find opportunities.
Auto association is like daydreaming. It’s cheap. It’s relaxing. While thinking, reasoning, calculating, and computing with reason is expensive and hard.
The second is the old brain constantly worrying about (calculating) social status, advantage, safety.
So the experience we call spiritual is the ritual act of sedating the auto-association function of the brain (which is very deep in the bottom center, so that it can fucking relax, and we can feel the safety we feel resting or sleeping with the well fed pack of males (herd of females).
Meditation can do this, ritual can do it, prayer can do it exercise can do it, dancing, singing, any group activity that doesn’t force you to calculate status and hierarchy can do it.
That’s all it is.
A purely mechanical process by which we manage the primitive parts of our brain that evolved prior to reason, and that we gracefully fall back upon when we don’t want to think very hard, or cannot solve a problem, or must act rapidly by instinct.
Now how does abrahamic religion work? It creates a false debt to a false god, for false crimes, and asks for us to submit and surrender our reason aspiration and transcendence and instead to ‘stay in place’.
So if you wish to worship your evil semitic gods, whose sole purpose is to prevent you from transcendence of man, rather than just to use Jesus as another philosopher that is fine. But for the rest of us Jesus is just another philosophy, and gods are archetypes of our ancestors, and all those archetypes serve as proxies that we can through prayer (conversation), communicate with and obtain wisdom from.
Source date (UTC): 2020-02-11 14:51:00 UTC
FREE WILL AND DETERMINISM (DETERMINISTIC UNIVERSE)
—“Could you say then that free will is a sort of emergent property of determinism?”—Andy Lunn
Maybe I don’t understand that question enough.
We have will. That’s a fact.
We evolved for graceful failure in exercise of our will – so that is what we interpret as somtimes lacking free will.
We evolved for incremental improvement of our knowledge, and then our will as a consequence.
The degree to which we develop our will (ability) into agency (successful application) depends on ability, experience, training and general knowledge.
So the question isn’t do we have free will, it’s that we evolved will and the capacity to develop agency with it. But we are limited by our knowledge. We do not appear to be otherwise limited simply because we are so good at building tools that extend our sense, perception and action.
Now, within that context, if you mean, that without a deterministic universe (the scientific definition of determinism, not the sophomoric and philosophical definition), then yes, we could never develop agency because there would be no regularity, and without regularity no use for memory, and without memory there would be no use for will reason, or agency.
So in that sense, yes. But only in that sense.
Source date (UTC): 2020-02-11 14:26:00 UTC
Little Old Lady: (Accusatorially) “What’s all this?” (My other laptop open to a document on the counter).
Me: “Are you talking tough to me? Do I need to come over there and teach you a lesson?”
LIttle Old Lady: “What lesson are you going to teach me? You’re a wus. Am I wrong? Huh? What a wus. You’re scared to death of your mother. I’m gonna whoop you. They won’t recognize you. How is that for words of wisdom?”
Me: (laughing to the point of tears).
Little Old Lady: “Wus. Wussy wus. (etc etc continues)”
(The irony is this frail, old, prim, little, well mannered, quiet respectful, businessey, church going, cheer leader, catholic school girl talking trash is what makes it all work.)
Source date (UTC): 2020-02-11 14:03:00 UTC
“WHY SHOULD YOU HAVE A VOTE?”
If you have juridical defense in matters private and public, but haven’t served, aren’t financially independent and responsible for yourself, haven’t had a family that you are responsible for, don’t run a company whose employees and capital you are responsible for, or haven’t run an enterprise whose employees, capital, and patterns of trade you are responsible for, or run a state whose entire economy you are responsible for, then why do you have a vote in any of those matters without having demonstrated sufficient ability to successfully hold that responsibility?
If you haven’t served then why do you have free speech, ownership of property?
If you haven’t had replacement number of children, then why do you also have a vote in matters of commons?
If you haven’t employed dozens, then why do you also have a vote in matters of the economy?
If you haven’t employed tens of thousands, why do you have a vote in matters international?
If you haven’t governed a state, then why do you have a vote in matters of the state?
About 1/5-1/4 of the population is informed enough to make choices. The rest are either biased to a political party, or dependent upon filtering propaganda and opinions of friends and family. We are all capable of different levels of intellectual resolution whether by level of ability, level of interests, level of knowledge, or constitution of character.
We do not have standing in matters public today – only private. The state deprived us of the user of courts in matters public – we had to invent class action to circumvent that deprivation.
But If you have juridical defense, in matters BOTH private AND public – called ‘universal standing’ – then you have defense against harmed by others private and political.
But aside from defense why should you have any opinion on anything over which you cannot demonstrate comprehension, success, and responsibility?
All government action is limited to coercion, either by informing/lying, bribery/deprivation, or force/defense. It is only the rule of law of reciprocity, the judiciary, the monarchy, and the military as last resort, that protects us from abuse of those levers of coercion.
Combine rule of law of reciprocity, with demonstrated investment and capacity for participation, with demand for truthful reciprocal speech, with houses of the classes, with a monarchy as a judge of last resort – and democracy can work.
But universal unearned franchise, political parties, single house majoritarianism, and devolution from rule of law to rule by legislation (or even rule by discretion) has proven too vulnerable to baiting the ignorant and unaccountable into hazard with false promise of circumvention of nature’s necessity for markets in everything.
Source date (UTC): 2020-02-11 13:52:00 UTC
SHARED VISIONUpdated Feb 11, 2020, 12:59 PM
Source date (UTC): 2020-02-11 12:59:00 UTC
(Pissing me off again.)
Religion is the means by which we educate the intution in the group’s social strategy, through storytelling, and ritual, in groups, where we are most open to trust and subject to suspension of disbelief. This technique works just as do feasting, singing, dancing, games, sports, marches, drills, concerts, juries, senates, fireside storytelling, and bedtime stories, and pillow talk. It trains us to feel safe with one another despite our relative anonymity, alienation, and irrelevance to the herd.
Never, ever bring faith to court. Never ever bring faith to science. Never ever bring faith to war. Faith is for the shared hallucination produced by sharing a ritual, in which we abandon reason and experience the safety and mindfulness of running with, feasting with, celebrating with, and resting with – the pack.
It works. It works because it does not require reason. Instead we try to develop excuses for what it is rational. These are all lies. Faith works because training us in mindfulness in a civilization so alienating by sheer numbers anonymity, and division of labor and power distance we must find some way of liberating the mind from trying to calculate a relaxed, comfortable, safe, secure, successful, method of cooperating with others by means of IMITATION (training). Just like we teach a dog to walk with us peacefully. It’s no different. We are just another mammal. And the more ‘sensitive you are’ and the more ‘threatened you are’ the more you require this mindfulness.
Never ever ever confuse faith(wisdom) with truth(testimony). We have at least three competing priesthoods: the scientific(material-physical) and legal(social and political-intellectual), and the spiritual(personal-emotional). There can be no right to falsehood in the material or rational. And It is right to criticize christians who invade the material or political with the spiritual. It is right to criticize the law for invading the spiritual.
Christianity was semitic religion of semitic people for a very long time before it was forced upon Rome, and the christians destroyed by intent, and by design, all knowledge, all temples, all civic life, all education, as a means of preventing the restoration of aristocracy, reason, and agency, for the same reason the french, germans, and jews have resisted the British restoration of aristocracy, reason, and agency.
Christians imposed submission(ignorance) upon the Cult of Non Submission (agency).
There is no difference between judaism christianity and islam, in the destruction of the ancient world, and judaism marxism, postmodernism, feminism, and denialism in the present world. It is the same technique of undermining masculine aristocratic, meritocratic, heroic, military civilization by undermining with false promise using the addiction of mindfuless and false status.
We domesticated christianity from a sick twisted deceitful corrupt semitic attempt to destroy western civlization and keep it in subjective ignorant semitic poverty. To domesticate it took a more than thousand years, and four great wars, and millions of dead. and we have still not escaped judaism and islam.
That there is some good in christianity is true – because there is some good in all escapist religions.
To say that it was not the worst plague against western civlization is simply false.
So, you want to ‘socially construct a supernatural fantasy world over which you believe you have comprehension and control’ Just like the marxists, and postmodernists want to construct a pseudoscientific fantasy world over which they believe they have comprehension and control.’
The concept of postmodern ‘social construction’ is just the abrahamic technique stated in descriptive terms. There is no difference between stating women are equal to men, poverty is escapable in equality, and there is an omniscient and omnipotent supercreature. These are just stories for teaching children, that you have not grown out of.
Never ever come before the court with faith. And we will not come before the faith with court.
You have chosen childhood.
We have chosen parenthood.
You must be ruled.
Do you understand yet?
Don’t waste my time.
Go fundamentalist if you must submit, go catholic for natural law and the pretense of reason, orthodoxy is best because it is apolitical, and strong – or join the rest of us in restoring our natural religion of aryanism, paganism, heathenism – with a nod to the nazarene’s request for love of the weak – in the love of nature, of our ancestors, of our heroes, and take on the challenge of transcending man into gods, through the continuous production of agency, through continuous competition, by continuous trial and error, in the face of ignorance and uncertainty.
You may follow our transcendence.
But you may not interfere with it.
That is the purpose of the enemy.
The gods of the european peoples ask us to join them.
The god of abraham is the devil to keep us from it.
That is the evidence.
Source date (UTC): 2020-02-11 12:58:00 UTC
IMPROVING PARSIMONY OF THE CLAIM THAT ALL THEORIES ARE EVENTUALLY FALSIFIED
Better way of saying it. There is one most parsimonious paradigm (We call it science. Now I call it ‘P’ or ‘testimony’).
—“All paradigms are eventually false. :)”—
That’s demonstrably false. Instead, we increasingly identify limits that cause us to increase the parsimony of our theories.
All scientific paradigms appear increase in parsimony. Aristotle, Newton, and Einstein all evolve to greater precision. Take Humors (disease) and Phlogiston theory (chemistry), Einstein’s static universe(cosmology), or the expanding earth (plate tectonics). They were false but they were progress in the right direction.
Conversely there are three categories that always fail to increase in parsimony:
1) Magic -> Pseudoscience (action-physical)
2) Idealism -> Philosophy (verbal-rational)
3) Occult -> Theology (emotional-intuitionistic)
So we have deflationary grammars of
1) Science, 2)Logic, and 3) Mathematics that all increase in parsimony.
And we have inflationary grammars of 1) magic(physical), 2) idealism(verbal), and 3) the occult(emotional) that fail all tests of parsimony.
Of course we also have the outright deceits too.
Source date (UTC): 2020-02-11 12:19:00 UTC
THE FINANCIAL SYSTEMS OF THE WORLD WILL RESIST US
—“Accounting for changes in genetic, institutional, cultural and normative capital would not go over well with Capital (the societal force) as it is currently conceived of. Japan is a good example of where they DO take the balance sheet into consideration.”—Michael Churchill
Source date (UTC): 2020-02-11 11:11:00 UTC