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  • GOOD AND EVIL IS A MIDDLE EASTERN NOT EUROPEAN CONCEPT —-“Good and evil were i

    GOOD AND EVIL IS A MIDDLE EASTERN NOT EUROPEAN CONCEPT

    —-“Good and evil were invented in the middle east to facilitate cultural warfare between the middle east and the indians. European religion used chaos and mischief vs order, and our gods were ‘real people’ with real frailties.” – Curt Doolittle

    —“The concepts “good” and “evil” are actually Indo-European in origin. Etymology dictionaries are useful. Better perhaps to say that our misconceptions about what exactly those terms mean are influenced by Middle Eastern philosophy…”—AunMarie Grooms

    Indo european a language and cultural family of genetically west eurasians of the proto-European, proto-Caucasian, proto-Iranic but NOT proto-turkic post glacial maximum peoples. The proto-caucasians and anatolians appear to have been lost to us.

    As far as I know, good and evil are indo-iranic not indo european. It’s unlikely that I err. The division between European, iranic, indo-iranic results in European (aristocratic egalitarian and martial), Persian(aristocratic authoritarian and martial), and Hindu( caste, duty-role, and ‘priestly’) pantheons.

    The argument put forth by others which I got from Karen Armstrong, was that it appears that the north and west europeans developed more so in the corded ware culture(material), and the iranics more in the vedas (spiritual), and that this is largely because etherial religion as we understand it evolved in what we call Mesopotamia-Anatolia or, more precisely, along the euphrates.

    It’s most likely that religious pantheons developed differently due to differences in indo european ethnicities, and strategies. The west pretty much killed everyone they came in contact with (or at least the males) because the neolithic farmers were not developed enough to resist them. But as the iranic people migrated east to india, then south of the caspian, then west back into Mesopotamia they encountered developed peoples that they had to conquer.

    So, iranics and indo iranics used hierarchy to rule an compete with others like the indus valley people and the Mesopotamians while europeans maintained aristocratic egalitarianism and didn’t develop authoritarianism until the late roman empire – and even then – they would have been more successful if they’d been much more authoritarian and much less tolerant.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-22 10:06:00 UTC

  • MORE ON LEARNING OPERATIONAL GRAMMAR by What is the difference between an actor

    MORE ON LEARNING OPERATIONAL GRAMMAR

    by

    What is the difference between an actor and subject? My understanding of traditional grammar is that:

    “John threw the ball”

    Subject-verb-object

    Which you describe as

    Actor-operation-subject

    John is an actor in this case, and the “subject” (as I was taught in school, anyway).

    Another example:

    “The fruit fell from the tree”

    Subject-verb-object

    In this sentence, one might think the actor is gravity, or the wind. Since that is what caused the change in state.

    From a testimonial or vitruvian measurement, though, it would be more like:

    “I saw the fruit fall from the tree.”

    The actor is myself as an observer? And the subject is the fruit?

    Any clarification on terms “actor” and “subject”?

    by Adam Jacob Robert Walker

    You could consider the tree as an actor as well.

    The tree produces fruit.

    But a tree isn’t necessarily following incentives. But rather it’s “act” is a result of nature adaptations or mechanisms of survival.

    I think you are correct that you’d have to switch it to the orientation of the observer.

    I saw the fruit fall from the tree (actor-action), after I went outside to get my mail (incentive to go outside and observe), and the fruit splattered on my driveway (state change on the ground).

    I think “subject” refers to the concept in which the whole of the testimony describes, but through the description of operations by an actor or group of actors.

    by Bill Joslin

    In english grammar the subject is the agent subject-verb-object. the subject “acts upon” the object (side note: this distinction subject “that which acts upon”and object “that which is acted upon” lay the foundation for the initial use of the terms subjective, objective. prior to the 19th century of so, religion was considered the pursuit of “objective trusth” in that one would he changed by the truth (truth acts upon the seeker) and subjective truth was what one did when they sought truth to a specific ends (such as science investigates a particular phenomenon to eventually be able to do something with it). the rise of science (seeking truth to a specific ends) “killed” objective truth – this was the assertion in Horkhiemer and Adorno’ Dialectic of enlightenment.

    by Adam Jacob Robert Walker

    Nice. That puts it in a philosophical context for me. I wasn’t aware of all that.

    by Curt Doolittle

    [I promise I saw] [gravity cause] the fruit [fall/fell] [from the tree] [to the ground.]

    Promise, Testimony, Actor, Subject of testimony, Transaction.

    Use subject or object if you want, but my point is that we need to use “actor, and in the OP that I started this discourse with, I was making the point that we habitually start sentences with the subject being acted upon to provide context, and the cost of ‘thinking’ in operational terms is the extra step required to start with actor instead – which eliminates the problem of the verb to be from the sentence structure.

    If you have a difficulty with eliminating the verb to be, start with the actor not the object( or as I prefer, subject).

    ADAM IS CORRECT:

    Actor, Subject.

    —“I think “subject” refers to the concept in which the whole of the testimony describes, but through the description of operations by an actor or group of actors.”—

    Well done!!!!!


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-22 09:51:00 UTC

  • INDIA’S ELLORA CAVES the largest carving project in the world. Contrary to commo

    INDIA’S ELLORA CAVES

    the largest carving project in the world.

    Contrary to common perception, It is very easy to achieve this level of stone carved construction in that form of stone, with a large workforce. A team that splits the rock. A team of people that clear rubble – mostly dust. A team of people that manage the forge, tool making, and chisel pointing. A team of designers. The designers draw sketches of each element, others transfer it to the rock, others rough it out, and others finish it off. The rate at which a young man develops skill at carving this consistently is no more than it is today – a few years, so by the time he works through each phase of preparing the rock, you have trained the workforce to produce each stage of it.

    While this scale of detail is impressive – the detail compensates for a lack of precision – compare with pre-islamic, and then hellenic sculpture – each of which takes the opposite approach, of increasing precision. A greek or roman or egyptian sculptor is a more precise craftsman than the indian or buddhist, and the opposite in organic detail and variation.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-22 09:22:00 UTC

  • “Abrahamism is unique in all the world for separating “perfect divinity” from “f

    —“Abrahamism is unique in all the world for separating “perfect divinity” from “flawed humanity.” Christianity is uniquely pagan enough to re-humanize the divinity it worships.”—Anne Summers

    oooh… that was smart. yes. I didn’t think of saying it that succinctly, but yes.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-22 08:40:00 UTC

  • OBJECTIVE MEASURES OF GOOD AND EVIL? by Brandon Hayes —“Do you believe there a

    OBJECTIVE MEASURES OF GOOD AND EVIL?

    by Brandon Hayes

    —“Do you believe there are any objective measures of good and evil?”—Tim Allen Musse

    I would use the term Righteous and Evil.

    Evil < Bad < Immoral < Unethical < Amoral > Ethical > Moral > Good > Righteous

    Measures for a given action are put up against a test of reciprocity.

    Evil is harm done for harms sake.

    Good = Productive

    Bad = Unproductive

    Righteous is the extinguishing of Evil.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-22 08:22:00 UTC

  • “We can quibble over colors, but nobody’s walking through walls claiming they do

    –“We can quibble over colors, but nobody’s walking through walls claiming they don’t exist. Ha.”—Adam Jacob Robert Walker

    (regarding qualia)


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 17:27:00 UTC

  • THE EIGHTH DAY “Evensong” by Lester del Rey. It details the capture of a being,

    THE EIGHTH DAY

    “Evensong” by Lester del Rey. It details the capture of a being, identified at the end of the story as God, by Man, which has usurped God’s power.

    EVENSONG

    By the time he reached the surface of the little planet, even the dregs of his power were drained. Now he rested, drawing reluctant strength from the yellow sun that shone on the greensward around him. His senses were dim with an ultimate fatigue, but the fear he had learned from the Usurpers drove them outward, seeking a further hint of sanctuary.

    It was a peaceful world, he realized, and the fear thickened in him at the discovery. In his younger days, he had cherished a multitude of worlds where the game of life’s ebb and flow could be played to the hilt. But the Usurpers could brook no rivals to their own outreaching lust. The very peace and order here meant that this world had once been theirs.

    He tested for them gingerly while the merest whisper of strength poured into him. None were here now. He could have sensed the pressure of their close presence at once, and there was no trace of that. The even grassland swept in rolling meadows and swales to the distant hills. There were marble structures in the distance, sparkling whitely in the late sunlight, but they were empty, their unknown purpose altered to no more than decoration now upon this abandoned planet. His attention swept back, across a stream to the other side of the wide valley.

    There he found the garden. Within low walls, its miles of expanse were a tree-crowded and apparently untended preserve. He could sense the stirring of larger animal life among the branches and along the winding paths. The brawling vigor of all proper life was missing, but its abundance might be enough to mask his own vestige of living force from more than careful search.

    It was at least a better refuge than this open greensward and he longed toward it, but the danger of betraying motion held him still where he was. He had thought his previous escape to be assured, but he was learning that even he could err. Now he waited while he tested once more for evidence of Usurper trap.

    He had mastered patience in the confinement the Usurpers had designed at the center of the galaxy. He had gathered his power furtively while he designed escape around their reluctance to make final disposition. Then he had burst outward in a drive that should have thrust him far beyond the limits of their hold on the universe. And he had found failure before he could span even the distance to the end of this spiral arm of one galactic fastness.

    Their webs of detection were everywhere, seemingly. Their great power-robbing lines made a net too fine to pass. Stars and worlds were linked, until only a series of miracles had carried him this far. And now the waste of power for such miracles was no longer within his reach. Since their near failure in entrapping and sequestering him, they had learned too much.

    Now he searched delicately, afraid to trip some alarm, but more afraid to miss its existence. From space, this world had offered the only hope in its seeming freedom from their webs. But only micro-seconds had been available to him for his testing then.

    At last he drew his perceptions back. He could find no slightest evidence of their lures and detectors here. He had begun to suspect that even his best efforts might not be enough now, but he could do no more. Slowly at first, and then in a sudden rush, he hurled himself into the maze of the garden.

    Nothing struck from the skies. Nothing leaped upwards from the planet core to halt him. There was no interruption in the rustling of the leaves and the chirping bird songs. The animal sounds went on unhindered. Nothing seemed aware of his presence in the garden. Once that would have been unthinkable in itself, but now he drew comfort from it. He must be only a shadow self now, unknown and unknowable in his passing.

    Something came down the path where he rested, pattering along on hoofs that touched lightly on the spoilage of fallen leaves. Something else leaped quickly through the light underbrush beside the path.

    He let his attention rest on them as they both emerged onto the near pathway at once. And cold horror curled thickly around him.

    One was a rabbit, nibbling now at the leaves of clover and twitching long ears as its pink nose stretched out for more. The other was a young deer, still bearing the spots of its fawnhood. Either or both might have seemingly been found on any of a thousand worlds. But neither would have been precisely of the type before him.

    This was the Meeting World—the planet where he had first found the ancestors of the Usurpers. Of all worlds in the universe, it had to be this world he sought for refuge!

    They were savages back in the days of his full glory, confined to this single world, rutting and driving their way to the lawful self-destruction of all such savages. And yet there had been something odd about them, something that then drew his attention and even his vagrant pity.

    Out of that pity, he had taught a few of them, and led them upwards. He had even nursed poetic fancies of making them his companions and his equals as the life span of their sun should near its ending. He had answered their cries for help and given them at least some of what they needed to set their steps toward power over even space and energy. And they had rewarded him by overweening pride that denied even a trace of gratitude. He had abandoned them finally to their own savage ends and gone on to other worlds, to play out the purposes of a wider range.

    It was his second folly. They were too far along the path toward unlocking the laws behind the universe. Somehow, they even avoided their own destruction from themselves. They took the worlds of their sun and drove outwards, until they could even vie with him for the worlds he had made particularly his own. And now they owned them all, and he had only a tiny spot here on their world—for a time at least.

    The horror of the realization that this was the Meeting World abated a little as he remembered now how readily their spawning hordes possessed and abandoned worlds without seeming end. And again the tests he could make showed no evidence of them here. He began to relax again, feeling a sudden hope from what had been temporary despair. Surely they might also believe this was the one planet where he would never seek sanctuary.

    Now he set his fears aside and began to force his thoughts toward the only pattern that could offer hope. He needed power, and power was available in any area untouched by the webs of the Usurpers. It had drained into space itself throughout the aeons, a waste of energy that could blast suns or build them in legions. It was power to escape, perhaps even to prepare himself eventually to meet them with at least a chance to force truce, if not victory. Given even a few hours free of their notice, he could draw and hold that power for his needs.

    He was just reaching for it when the sky thundered and the sun seemed to darken for a moment!

    The fear in him gibbered to the surface and sent him huddling from sight of the sky before he could control it. But for a brief moment there was still a trace of hope in him. It could have been a phenomenon caused by his own need for power; he might have begun drawing too heavily, too eager for strength.

    Then the earth shook, and he knew.

    The Usurpers were not fooled. They knew he was here—had never lost him. And now they had followed in all their massive lack of subtlety. One of their scout ships had landed, and the scout would come seeking him.

    He fought for control of himself, and found it long enough to drive his fear back down within himself. Now, with a care that disturbed not even a blade of grass or leaf on a twig, he began retreating, seeking the denser undergrowth at the center of the garden where all life was thickest. With that to screen him, he might at least draw a faint trickle of power, a strength to build a subtle brute aura around himself and let him hide among the beasts. Some Usurper scouts were young and immature. Such a one might be fooled into leaving. Then, before his report could be acted on by others, there might still be a chance….

    He knew the thought was only a wish, not a plan, but he clung to it as he huddled in the thicket at the center of the garden. And then even the fantasy was stripped from him.

    The sound of footsteps was firm and sure. Branches broke as the steps came forward, not deviating from a straight line. Inexorably, each firm stride brought the Usurper nearer to his huddling place. Now there was a faint glow in the air, and the animals were scampering away in terror.

    He felt the eyes of the Usurper on him, and he forced himself away from that awareness. And, like fear, he found that he had learned prayer from the Usurpers; he prayed now desperately to a nothingness he knew, and there was no answer.

    “Come forth! This earth is a holy place and you cannot remain upon it, Our judgement is done and a place is prepared for you. Come forth and let me take you there!” The voice was soft, but it carried a power that stilled even the rustling of the leaves.

    He let the gaze of the Usurper reach him now, and the prayer in him was mute and directed outward—and hopeless, as he knew it must be.

    “But—” Words were useless, but the bitterness inside him forced the words to come from him. “But why? I am God!”

    For a moment, something akin to sadness and pity was in the eyes of the Usurper. Then it passed as the answer came. “I know. But I am Man. Come!”

    He bowed at last, silently, and followed slowly as the yellow sun sank behind the walls of the garden.

    And the evening and the morning were the eighth day.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 16:18:00 UTC

  • TESTIMONY – P IS SCIENTIFIC(LOGICAL, OPERATIONAL, EMPIRICAL) ARTICULATION OF OUR

    TESTIMONY – P IS SCIENTIFIC(LOGICAL, OPERATIONAL, EMPIRICAL) ARTICULATION OF OUR ANCIENT TRADITIONS.

    by Scott Strong

    What’s brilliant about you Curt is your ability to articulate it all so methodically. The reality is these Western ideas weren’t really formed by one great philosopher but are rather an an hod, kit-bashed collection of mostly intuitive practices that our ancestors accumulated, not out of some great philosophy or moral conviction, so much as pure pragmatism in that they were the best practices that simply *worked* and because if people did things that *didn’t* work, the group would die in battle, or starve in the lean winter months.

    Propertarianism is not your invention, but rather your codification and articulation of the mostly intuitive unconscious pragmatic wisdom of our ancestors.

    ===

    (That’s right. I just wrote it down for the first time the way others have written their bibles of primitive thought in primitive language. It may not have been possible to our body of advanced thought until we had an advanced language to write it in. But we’ve been practicing it for thousands of years. And that’s why propertarianism is a product of our European civilization, not me – i’m not that important and our ancestors are. And that is why it has more legitimacy than some other nonsense some philosopher pulled out of his had. I’m just a scientists discovering and capturing the rules of western civilization.

    I’m just doing natural science in the natural law of our people – writing down the formulae.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 13:37:00 UTC

  • TESTIMONY: “MANY IDEAS ARE SCARY AT FIRST” by Brandon Potts I have to say when I

    TESTIMONY: “MANY IDEAS ARE SCARY AT FIRST”

    by Brandon Potts

    I have to say when I first learned of you and saw your words they worried and angered me. Then I put my arrogance aside and I analyzed and researched what you had said.

    While many of your ideas are scary to those that are set in their ways to those willing to learn and listen they are freeing.

    Even my wife agrees with much of what you say.

    Don’t ever stop my friend and one day you may be the king we need.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 13:29:00 UTC

  • THERE IS ONLY ONE SCIENTIFIC METHOD FOR THE CONSTITUTION OF GODS – AND I THINK W

    THERE IS ONLY ONE SCIENTIFIC METHOD FOR THE CONSTITUTION OF GODS – AND I THINK WE KNOW IT

    —“Empirical mechanism for such phenomena not yet found, “—

    Well as the top physicists have already stated, we know the complete spectrum of forces because there is no ‘room’ for any other force. So no, no information can exist in the spectrum. I can’t remember who works on this (but I know how to find out), and it’s sort of taboo for the reasons that are obvious – it threatens faith the occult that faith depends upon.

    But, just as we know the complete composition of chemistry, we know the complete composition of interacting forces. What we don’t know is the geometry of the primary force that creates the grammar we know of as quantum mechanics, that would explain gravity at the quantum level and unite quantum(small) and relativistic (large) – both of which are currently descriptive rather than causal.

    God is just what I said it was above: an archetypal character with whom we intuititionistically(auto-associatively) role play (predict), as we would a parent or headman, and through that filter – a filter to whom we are as transparent as we were to parents and headmen – we can judge our intuitions.

    Man is the measure of all things to man, because man is the only system of measurement available to man. God is a system of measurement in the group’s ideal of man to imitate (jesus, Achilles) a demigod to aspire to (odin, Hercules,), a god to negotiate with (zeus, thor, tyr), one to obey (jehova, allah), or one to simply understand (deism, the physical and natural laws). Any creature inventing a god would invent one in his image just as we have – and just as the hundreds of gods have been invented abandoned or lost before the present gods.

    Science killed the lie of god and discovered the truth of god, and the laws of the universe, and only europeans have done so.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 13:25:00 UTC