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  • ARE MORAL CODES MORAL? Q&A: —“Are moral codes moral?”—Fredrick George Welfar

    ARE MORAL CODES MORAL?

    Q&A: —“Are moral codes moral?”—Fredrick George Welfare

    A difference between normative, descriptive, and necessary ethics.

    NEGATIVA: Necessary ethics are moral (true),

    EXISTENTIAL: Descriptive (how they are practiced) exist.

    POSITIVA: Normative ethics (how we imagine they should be practiced).(theoretical)

    This terminology is confusing because existential ethics are in evidence as ‘norms’, and normative ethics are not those that are practiced as norms, but the study of what should perhaps be practiced as norms. I prefer “Necessary, Descriptive, and Theoretical.”

    To make mattes worse, existing ethical systems (norms) consist of portfolio of various ‘contracts’, any provision of which my be immoral but in concert, when practiced produce moral ends (or not). The same goes for the combination of moral provisions, can produce immoral ends (although this is harder.)


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-21 05:39:00 UTC

  • ( I learned about you today from a friend Moritz Bierling, and tried to contribu

    ( I learned about you today from a friend Moritz Bierling, and tried to contribute to your page by leaving a suite of hopefully useful comments. Good luck. Let me know if I can help you in any way. -Curt Doolittle, The Propertarian Institute, Kiev, Ukraine )


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-20 09:07:00 UTC

  • Done. 🙂

    Done. 🙂


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-20 06:18:39 UTC

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  • I’m sure we can agree to an extent that the adoption of Christianity led to many

    https://propertarianism.com/2015/09/26/as-far-as-i-know-this-is-the-definitive-analysis-of-the-church/—“Curt, I’m sure we can agree to an extent that the adoption of Christianity led to many advancements within European society. I would like to know you’re thoughts on those who wish to see a return to the traditions of pre-Christian Europe. Not only from a religious aspect but from a societal change as well. While some people enjoy the fascinating aspects from a purely historical standpoint of pre-Christian European society what do you think the ramifications would be if such a large change took place in Europe?”—

    Well the change is here. The question is whether or not we do something about it.

    A SHORT COURSE ON THE PAST AND FUTURE OF RELIGION

    https://propertarianism.com/2015/09/26/as-far-as-i-know-this-is-the-definitive-analysis-of-the-church/

    https://propertarianism.com/2015/06/29/the-church-amplified-western-civilization-it-did-not-create-it/

    https://propertarianism.com/2016/10/07/the-church-failed-to-reform-and-the-sciences-didnt-have-time-to-complete-their-evolutionary-program/

    https://propertarianism.com/2016/11/26/christianity-judaism-and-islam-moral-or-immoral/

    https://propertarianism.com/2016/03/08/the-athenian-art-of-truth-vs-jerusalems-art-of-lying/

    https://propertarianism.com/2016/02/04/why-discuss-lies-youre-just-being-a-useful-idiot-a-host-for-lies/

    https://propertarianism.com/2016/11/23/lets-give-everyone-a-precise-language-and-for-the-discussion-of-religion/

    https://propertarianism.com/2016/05/30/the-good-in-religion-is-the-civic-ritual-not-the-content/

    https://propertarianism.com/2016/06/19/weve-been-focused-on-the-wrong-institution-we-need-the-church/

    https://propertarianism.com/2016/11/25/the-church-of-tomorrow/

    https://propertarianism.com/2016/08/17/our-new-church-lets-frame-this-question-of-the-church-correctly/


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-19 20:29:00 UTC

  • I don’t know much about you or your options. I would say make money first, get a

    I don’t know much about you or your options. I would say make money first, get a degree second, part time. It usually works.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-18 20:38:12 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/821818998052491265

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    @curtdoolittle I’m not doing university (aka massive debt saddling in uncertain times) to try and become a web dev. Bad idea?

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  • Bill Joslin: —“In looking deeper into the Anglo-American alliance and those wh

    Bill Joslin:

    —“In looking deeper into the Anglo-American alliance and those who planted the seeds for that possibility – many a consipracy are confirmed

    HOWEVER, when one takes in a FULL ACCOUNTING of costs and benefits AND their motivations it stops being a fist waging “those bastards” narrative. I owe this progression to Kevin Cole.

    Anger at the elites for their historical shenanigans, from the elite perspectice, slots in a the underclass resistence to being domensticated. From the underclass prespective (conspiracy theory) them arguing for their reproductive (liberty, safety) and socio-economic position. The conflicting narratives are valuable in a market place of narratives.

    The conclusion for me – underclasses need to be refranchised(made to feel apart of the tye whole as a necessary component) and shenanigans by elites destroys trust (and thus why the underclasses are disenfranchised.)

    If we got on the same page, which is what “weaving the fabric of the english polity” was about (forming the strategies you outline above) we could work toward a common goal. But backroom deals and institutional leveraging for social change destroyed trust.”—


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-17 10:49:00 UTC

  • (from elsewhere) James, if this is a forum for discussion, then it’s a value. Wh

    (from elsewhere)

    James, if this is a forum for discussion, then it’s a value. Which would require posting both sides of the debate. If this is a form for you to express your frustrations then it is no longer anything to do with theory policy and philosophy, but simply just emotional. Just create an “I hate trump” forum and put it there. But at present you’re not acting any differently from the alt-right-green-frog folks except your posting pseudo-rational propaganda instead of openly irrational green-frog cartoons.

    You have energy and a particular gift. And if you employ it honestly then you can make a contribution to the world.

    I’m honest about my work and my bias. (and yes, the fact that The Clinton Foundation defrauded me of $2M they said they would pay me for developing the greenhouse-gas measurement software, after we rescued their efforts in India at Microsoft’s request; and the fact that I have direct experience with these people – including Murdoch’s wife – might color my judgement a bit. These are ‘bad’ immoral, people for whom lying is simply a justifiable means of achieving their ends.)

    Anger destroys honesty. Half truths are lies. Half arguments are just half truths.

    Hence why I argue in the manner that I do: the only ‘good’ is exchange. The only ‘moral’ is non-imposition of costs.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-17 07:17:00 UTC

  • Yes. And they are working on a similar issue of expression the consequences of c

    Yes. And they are working on a similar issue of expression the consequences of constant relations as superior to set operations (which they, and I ) clearly agree are problematic (and in my opinion, one of the reasons for 20th c pseudoscience, and the failure of 20thc philosophy to contribute anything meaningful.)

    My view goes something like this (and I don’t know if its been touched on in math before):

    Properties > Operations > “Categories”(incl math cat) > Sets (sets of categories) > (repeat iteratively vs decompose recursively).

    This is a language of constant mathematical relations that in my opinion is a reflection of verbal (theoretical) semi-constant relations expressed by the universal epistemelogical process:

    Free association > pattern > wayfinding > hypothesis > theory > Law (repeat iteratively vs decompose recursively).

    In other words mathematics functions as a test of constant relations, and that is the best that we can do until we discover the underlying operations.

    Moreover, think of it like this: We evolved to think at human scale, and just as we use mathematics to describe relations about which we do not know the causal operations, to explore the GRANULAR, we also can engage in combinatorial ‘categories’ at higher and higher levels of abstraction in order to imagine (envision) greater and greater patterns. So that between math for reduction, and language for expansion, we are starting from the conceptual middle (human scale) and working toward the finite (descriptive) and the infinite (imaginary) using the tools of higher precisino (math, operations) and the tools of opportunity generation (langauge, free assocaiaion).

    By the processs of imaginatino and reduction we attempt to construct that which is OPERATIONALLY POSSIBLE at HUMAN SCALE.

    I think this is the most profound way that I know how to unify the range of human thought into a single explanatory narrative.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-16 10:41:00 UTC

  • ARE EMPIRES DETERMINISTIC? Nick Zito: —“I’m sure you have covered this previou

    ARE EMPIRES DETERMINISTIC?

    Nick Zito: —“I’m sure you have covered this previously but isn’t it the case that city states will be amalgamated into empires again and again? History repeats? So whilst we live with empires today, by implementing market gov and creating 1000s of city states we will just be back on the repeat train, no?”—-

    GREAT QUESTION!

    We can form various forms of empires. This list is not exhaustive but the spectrum will serve as the framework for all possible answers.

    1) Military denial (the empire performs no other function than to deny external conquest of any member state. [Greeks]

    2) Commercial denial (the empire also performs the function of standardizing weights, measures, property, contract, and dispute resolution.) [Romans]

    3) Civic denial (the empire also performs the function of standardizing language, rituals, traditions, myths) [Chinese and current western democratic humanism]

    4) Productive Denial (the empire also performs the function of standardizing production or some significant part of it) [communism/authoritarianism/soviet-chinese socialism].

    5) Migratory or movement denials (the empire also performs the function of standardizing or regulating the movement of individuals) [serfdom]

    6) Associative or Reproductive denial (the empire also performs the function of standardizing or regulating associations, reproduction, and family structure). [slavery]

    7) Total denial (the empire also performs the function of total management of the individual independent of his choice) [chattel slavery]

    8) Life denial (the extermination of all life for the purposes of obtaining a territorial monopoly on all future potential).

    So civilizations can form, empires can form, but the question is which type of empires do we permit to form?

    “Bibles” limit a state.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-15 20:43:00 UTC

  • MS. “L” I have three objections to the options above: 1)I reject the premise inh

    MS. “L”

    I have three objections to the options above: 1)I reject the premise inherent in these choices. They are based on the assumption that human nature is all about self-interest. Not only is that a harsh view of human nature, it is also inaccurate. An important characteristic of human nature is gregariousness., and depriving people of the capacity is to associate with others is considered harsh punishment, even torture. That is why the use of isolation cells in prison in the Western world is regulated. So I might cooperate with others because I like associating with others–it’s fun!

    Curt Doolittle

    1) only a woman would say such a thing since it demonstrates the cognitive bias of ‘blindness to the distribution”.

    2) human nature *is* demonstrably entirely driven by self interest and we can find no instances where it is not – not only that, we can’t find it anywhere else in nature either. All cooperation is for self beneficial ends. Even kin selection still is for beneficial ends of one’s genes.

    3) the significant difference between humans and other creatures is that we can imitate one another (model one another), such that we can comprehend intention, and therefore cooperate on intentions. That fact aside, we evolved moral instincts to both encourage cooperation but punish parasitism (free riding). All herd and pack animals are gregarious to the herd/pack. Its just good kin selection.

    4) women must bear the high cost of offspring, are weaker and more vulnerable more often and they and their offspring are even vulnerable to other women so they purchase lots of insurance and they experience this insurance purchase as gregariousness. They do so to the point where when given access to political resources (commons) they attempt to give them away (see the dominance of women in government jobs, and in charity work, and the absence of women in the most competitive of professions). This is all nothing but genetic self interest. If creatures were not self-interested they would be exterminated by evolutionary pressures.

    5) Women lie to themselves largely because they have less agency in the control of their emotions. Men lie to others. But not to themselves. It’s too dangerous for them.

    MS. “L”

    2) The identities attached to the various options are stereotypes, especially the father stereotype.

    Curt Doolittle

    Stereotypes are the MOST ACCURATE measurement in the social sciences. So much so that we can pretty much claim that they are the ONLY accurate measurement in the social sciences.

    Female cognitive bias against stereotypes is driven by the need to believe her children are ‘good’ and ‘worth her investment’ regardless of their worth (or worthlessness). It is also because women who ‘stand out’ are destroyed by other women in the pack. Women work together to ensure the even distribution of resources. They hen-peck competitors to ensure they do not obtain more resources.

    MS. “L”

    3) Option #4, the Libertine option, is not even an option. If Libertine is left alone, L. will not be able to participate in the commercial market. If left alone (let’s say with just the immediate family), L. will not have the education, health or infrastructure necessary to participate in the commercial market. For instance, how many people in Liberia participate in the commercial market versus how many more would participate if education, infrastructure and health care (remember Ebola?) were freely available.

    Curt Doolittle

    This is not true. There are always marginal people on the edge of society. Yet again you’ve demonstrated distribution-blindness.

    Only women do this. Men never do. Unless feminized by a single mother.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-01-15 15:21:00 UTC