AFAIK the religion question is solved. We can know the general method of how all the services can be provided without falsehoods. What anyone wants to construct out of that, well, thats like editing a collection of stories for different audiences. So I don’t have to say what religion must be, only what it must not be: ergo, via negativa rules.
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-17 10:46:00 UTC
ARE YOU A MORAL PERSON OR NOT?
I am trying to separate jesus’ material teaching (which was an innovation) from the dogma (lying) for a simple reason that if I want to end ideological, pseudo-rational, and pseudoscientific deception of the people, I must end all lying. I know how to end all lying. The problem is I want to preserve the good that is not lying. But that’s just a legal and technical problem.
The real question is, would you be willing to force the church to historicize its teachings if you could end all lying by advertisers, marketers, businesses, public intellectuals, teachers and academics, lawyers, media, journalists, and most of all politicians?
Ending lying in public speech isn’t hard at all (really) once you know how to do it. The question is. We have to eliminate all lying, not just some of it, for it to work.
If I told you it would very likely DOUBLE your standard of living, rebuild your families, and drastically reduce political frictions, how about that?
If you say no you are simply a profoundly immoral person.
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-16 19:31:00 UTC
@jordanbpeterson Dr Peterson. A profound question for the west, on the difference between myth by moral device, and myth by immoral device? https://t.co/XG0ln5G12m
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-16 17:50:26 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/875772569235984385
The Abrahamic God is a demonic being masquerading as a figure that is kind and good.
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-16 17:46:00 UTC
THE GOOD MYTHS AND THE EVIL MYTHS
Myths, Legends, Parables, Fairy Tales, Nursery Rhymes.
They claim no pretense of truth, only evidence of wisdom by the fact of their survival for centuries, and in some cases millennia (the flood, the green man).
The west relies upon MARKETS and DEFLATION.
The evil myths rely on monopoly and conflation.
The abrahamists rely on monopoly and conflation.
In addition they rely on outright lying.
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-16 16:21:00 UTC
MONTHEISM (MONOPOLY) VS MONOLATRISM (IDENTITY)
Akhenaten implemented MONOLATRISM – the worship of only one god, without the denial of the other gods. His purpose was to create a new capital, based it on the sun god, and eliminate the power of the priesthood (and the exorbitant costs of the priesthood.)
MONOLATRISM differs from MONOTHEISM in that monotheism denies the existence of other gods, and ABRAHAMISM additionally claims scriptural dictation by man, thereby creating law, and additionally, conflates history with myth, claiming that events are historical in fact, rather than mere myths.
Fundamentalism arises only in the counter-enlightenment, when science evolves to the point where science attempts to defeat myths, and devotees double-down on their myths, creating fundamentalism.
Prior to the fundamentalist era, especially in the west, myth and reality were not necessarily the same, nor were they in conflict.
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-16 16:18:00 UTC
THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE CURRENT WORLD CRISIS? ISLAM.
The same root cause as it has been for 1400 years. Islam.
The ‘Root Cause’ of the current crisis, as that in antiquity, is the Jewish and Christian Heresy we call Islam that has been used to justify the raiding, exhaustion, defeat, degeneration, and extermination of the great civilizations of antiquity, and the impoverishment and ruination of four great civilizations.
We have been fighting islamic raiding, pillaging, enslavement, murder, for 1400 years, and only in the 1800’s did we turn back the tide of degeneracy.
If it were not for western virtue-signaling, that prevents the russians and the chinese and the indians from conquering and submitting islamic civilization, there would be no difficulty for the more advanced civilizations in this world.
Islam has been more deadly to mankind than the black plague. And it is informational-cancer. Those that have not been killed, have been incrementally reduced to ignorance, illiteracy, barbarism, and madness.
Islam is the worst thing that has ever happened to humanity. And that is simply an empirical fact. There is no comparison. Nothing even comes close. Not even the mongols.
THE MATTER IS SIMPLY SCIENCE.
THE WEST DEFENDS ISLAM OR IT WOULD BE GONE.
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-16 15:37:00 UTC
WHAT DOES PAGANISM MEAN TO ME?
To study transcendence, the monomyth, (=1) the possible plots within the monomyth (<30), the possible archetypes (~12), the virtues ( depends, but < 20), the emotions ( depends but < 30), as a means of ‘acquisition’, using the world’s collection of myths. HOWEVER: also dividing those myths into the good (pagan) and evil (abrahamic).
In other words, to learn through wisdom.
To restore our celebration of existing nature and the commons rather than the fantasies of heaven and hell, or the fantasy of marxist utopia on earth..
To restore our holidays of the seasons of the solar cycle, and the harvest.
To preserve those ‘appropriated’ holidays (easter, christmas) that preserve the few good things in christianity.
To reduce christianity to the five tenets of jesus’s extension of kinship love, and reduce him to a saint (feminine hero) rather than a prophet.
To change the oath (apostle’s creed) to a worthy oath to one another.
That is what paganism means to me.
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-16 10:24:00 UTC
INDO EUROPEAN RELIGION: THE PRIMACY OF MAN
by Daniel Gurpide
What is most striking when studying Indo-European cosmogony is the solemn affirmation, found everywhere, of man’s primacy. Indo-European cosmogony places a ‘cosmic man’ at the ‘beginning’ of the current cycle of the world. It is from him that all things derive: gods, nature, living beings—and man himself as historical being. In the Indian world, the Rig Veda names him Purusha; his name is Ymir in the Edda; and, according to Tacitus, he was called Mannus among continental Germans. For the Vedic Indians, Purusha is the One through whom the universe begins (again). He is ‘naught but this universe, what has passed and what is yet to come.’ In the same fashion, Ymir is the undivided One: and by him the world is first organised. His own birth results from the meeting of fire and ice.
The universe does not derive its existence from something not part of it. It proceeds from the being of cosmic man: his body, his gaze, his word—and his consciousness. There is no opposition between two worlds—between created being and uncreated being. On the contrary, there is incessant conversion and consubstantiality between beings and things, between heaven and earth, between men and gods.
In such a Weltanschauung, the gods are themselves a quarter of the cosmic man. They are superior men in the Nietzschean sense; in a certain way they perpetuate the transfigured and transfiguring memory of the first ‘civilising heroes’: those who brought humankind from its precedent stage—and truly founded, by ordering it into three functions, human society, Indo-European society. These gods do not represent ‘Good’—neither do they represent ‘Evil.’ Insofar as they represent sublimated forms of the good and evil that coexist, as antagonists, within life itself, they are both good and evil. Hence, each presents an ambivalent aspect—a human aspect. This explains why mythical imagination tends to split personality: Mitra-Varuna, Jupiter-Dius Fidius, Odin/Wotan-Tyr, etc. In relation to present humankind, which they have instituted as such, these gods correspond indeed to their mythical ‘ancestors’ and ideal models. Legislators, inventors of social tradition, they remain present, are still active. However, they also remain subject to fatum: destined in a very human way to an ‘end.’
In brief, we are referring not to creating gods, but rather to creatures—human gods who are, nevertheless, organisers-orderers of the world: ancestral gods for current humankind; gods who are great in both good and evil and who place themselves beyond such notions. On Olympus, says Heraclitus, ‘the gods are immortal men, whereas men are mortal gods; our life is their death and our death their life.’
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-15 17:42:00 UTC
The pantheons of the west represent normal semi-dysfuncitonal families – like realty. They are unequal. LIke reality. They constitute a hierarchy. Like reality. We can outwith them. Like reality. We can negotiate with them. like reality. We can ignore them. like reality. We can choose a favorite mentor. LIke reality. We can construct plays using archetypes, plots, virtues, like reality.
The egyptians preserved their primitive animism and didn’t evolve into human characters. The reasons for which we can guess.
The west did.
BECAUSE MAN DISPLACED THE GODS IN THE WEST AND TOOK HIS SOVEREIGNTY FROM THEM.
BY FIRE, BRONZE, WHEEL, HORSE, CHARIOT
WESTERN MAN LOOKED TO DEFEAT THE SKIES NOT THANK THE EARTH
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-15 14:46:00 UTC