No matter what excuse you make for Abrahamism, in order to justify your priors, you’re stuck with one question: if it’s good, then why do you need to lie about it?
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-23 10:18:00 UTC
Category: Religion, Myth, and Theology
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THE LIMITS OF THE MONOMYTH – ENDING DECEIT BY MYTHOS BY ENDING ABRAHAMISM (more
THE LIMITS OF THE MONOMYTH – ENDING DECEIT BY MYTHOS BY ENDING ABRAHAMISM
(more on extending – or limiting – Peterson’s thesis)
Whereas:
It is very hard to create a fiction (myth) that fails to ‘ring true’ because it makes use of the Monomyth, Limited Plots, the Archetypes, and the Virtues – and these categories reflect the methods of acquisition of methods of transcendence available to our psychology.
It is very easy to create fictions in western civilization’s group evolutionary strategy by (a) the use of hyperbole (illustration by magnification), while avoiding idealism and supernaturalism, (b) the only difference between men, heroes, demigods, and gods, is the degree of their mortality or immortality, and the degree of hyperbolic exaggeration of their abilities, (c) men, heroes, demigods, and gods, are all bound by the forces of nature (d) the gods and demigods are flawed and capricious members of extended families (e) men, heroes and demigods can defeat the flaws and capriciousness of the gods, demigods, the heroes of our enemies, and our enemies by means of courage, wit, discipline, and sacrifice – “man can defeat evil men, the god and nature” (e)
It is very easy to create fictions that are incompatible with western civilization’s group evolutionary strategy by means of inserting deceptions in the form of (a)idealism, (b)supernaturalism, (c)the power of gods over the forces of nature (d) contriving man’s inability to defeat gods (e) misrepresenting the will and intention of gods (f) demanding submission to gods, (g) directing protagonists to submit to this world of the gods rather than to transform it for the betterment of man. (h) directing we circumvent the costs of changing the world for the better because of its hopelessness.
It is very easy to create fictions that are critical of western civilization’s group evolutionary strategy, by lionizing protagonists that defeat it. (marxist, and postmodern myths and pseudo-histories)
It is very easy to create many trivial ‘essays’ rather than narratives outside of the monomyth in order to communicate experiences not lessons – as a means of criticizing the ‘meaningful’ monomyths and its Transcendence. (Postmodern literature)
It is all too easy to create pseudoscience – Boaz, Marx, Freud, Cantor – (marxists), by overloading the knowledge and reasoning of people thereby forcing appeal to intuition rather than reason.
It is all too easy to create pseudo-rationlism (pretense of philosophy) by loading, framing, overloading the rather limited abilities of people to reason thereby forcing appeal to intuition instead of reason – yet calling it philosophy (reason).
It is all too easy to outright lie and chant propaganda (political correctness), thereby overloading their ability, desire, and NEED to reason, thereby forcing appeal to intuition instead of reason – yet calling it philosophy rather than simply propaganda, falsehood, and lie.
It is all too easy for humans to fall prey to comforting lies, just as they fall prey to alcohol and drugs and gambling and a hundred other destructive vices. And that some myths *are designed precisely to do that*. After all, what is the difference between pedagogical myth for the purpose of transcendence so that one can succeed in the ‘market’ we call reality, and deceptive myth for the purpose of containment so that one can merely survive in a reality absent a market for transcendence because it is either impossible or one has been deluded that it is not desirable?
Therefore:
(1) the monomyth/archetype/plot/virtue structure is not enough to teach the virtues because it is not enough to defend against entrapment in deceit that counters the virtues. We can teach with the myths, but we can also DECEIVE with the myths. Because both teaching and deception require the use of ‘suggestion’ which provokes free association, which results in meaning. So we can either create true and good or false and bad meaning.
(2) the *limits of myths* are just as necessary as the contents of those myths. In particular there is a vast difference between history, fiction, hyperbolic myth, idealism and supernaturalism. And a vast difference between submission and transcendence through action. So the myths constructed from the monomyth architecture can use good or bad virtues, good or bad limits, and good or bad methods of discourse. The good: historical, fictional, and hyperbolic, or the bad: ideal and supernatural and fictionalism.
(3) myths can be used to harm mankind – and abrahamism in the form of judaism, christianity and islam have been used to harm mankind. In the case of judaism, the most literate people contributed nothing until converted to Aristotelianism; the christian dark ages were not exited until the reassertion of aristotelianism, and islam destroyed four ancient civilizations during their period of expansion, caused the majority of the european dark age, caused more death than the black plagues, and has caused ignorance, dysgenia, and poverty wherever it has gone. The the german abrahamists tried kantian idealism (pseudo-rationalism), the Jewish abrahamists tried pseudoscience via marx, freud and boaz; the french abrahamists tried postmodernism(anti reason, anti-logic, anti-truth, anti-science), and now the islamists have doubled-down on fundamentalism (anti-reason), raiding (terrorism), and dysgenia (overpopulation), and invasion (immigration) and propaganda (conversion).
Summation:
Reality is difficult. The universe is hostile to us. Other peoples are hostile to us. the west, the iranian branch, and the vedic branch created aristocracy
The western group evolutionary strategy is profoundly expensive. We must act heroically. We must suppress our impulses. We must speak the truth regardless of its costs to the dominance hierarchy. We must participate in a militia. We can only gain the franchise through demonstrated sacrifice for the polity.
The enemy of Aristocracy (meritocracy, truth, heroism, eugenics, excellence) is abrahamism (equality, dysgenia, falsehood, submission, subsistence).
This battle has raged at least since 500bc. Arguably it has raged since the invention of fictionalism by Zoroaster: Zoroaster > Abrahamism > Judaism > the heresy of christianity > The heresy of Islam > the french, german, jewish and russian counter-enlightenments.
REMEDY
Today we will either end the second conquest of the west by waves of abrahamism, using a demand for (scientific) truth, goodness(heroism), and beauty(excellence), or we will collapse again into a dark age from which man may never recover – abrahamism is a desirable cancer of the mind, just as much as alcohol and opiates and religions are a desirable cancer of the mind.
Acquisitionism, Propertarianism, and Testimonialism provide a method for the value neutral, loading neutral, framing neutral, analysis of the truth and falsehood, good and bad, of all human expression – including that of the Myths: Monomyth > Plots > Archetypes > and Virtues.
End abrahamism, and end idealism, and require truth in matters of politics and thereby limit all actions and speech to fully informed, productive, warrantied, voluntary transfers of goods, services, and information, free of imposition by externality of costs upon the investments of others.
It’s trivial. But we must abandon convenient habitual lies just as we have abandoned the convenience of fraud, the convenience of theft, and the convenience of violence, and the convenience of murder.
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev, Ukraine
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-23 08:25:00 UTC
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THE MONOMYTH, ITS LIMITS, AND THE ENDING OF ABRAHAMISM It is very hard to create
THE MONOMYTH, ITS LIMITS, AND THE ENDING OF ABRAHAMISM
It is very hard to create a fiction (myth) that fails to ‘ring true’ because it makes use of the Monomyth, Limited Plots, the Archetypes, and the Virtues – and these categories reflect the methods of acquisition of methods of transcendence available to our psychology.
It is very easy to create fictions in western civilization’s group evolutionary strategy by (a) the use of hyperbole (illustration by magnification), while avoiding idealism and supernaturalism, (b) the only difference between men, heroes, demigods, and gods, is the degree of their mortality or immortality, and the degree of hyperbolic exaggeration of their abilities, (c) men, heroes, demigods, and gods, are all bound by the forces of nature (d) the gods and demigods are flawed and capricious members of extended families (e) men, heroes and demigods can defeat the flaws and capriciousness of the gods, demigods, the heroes of our enemies, and our enemies by means of courage, wit, discipline, and sacrifice – “man can defeat evil men, the god and nature” (e)
It is very easy to create fictions that are incompatible with western civilization’s group evolutionary strategy by means of inserting deceptions in the form of (a)idealism, (b)supernaturalism, (c)the power of gods over the forces of nature (d) contriving man’s inability to defeat gods (e) misrepresenting the will and intention of gods (f) demanding submission to gods, (g) directing protagonists to submit to this world of the gods rather than to transform it for the betterment of man. (h) directing we circumvent the costs of changing the world for the better because of its hopelessness.
It is very easy to create fictions that are critical of western civilization’s group evolutionary strategy, by lionizing protagonists that defeat it. (marxist, and postmodern myths and pseudo-histories)
It is very easy to create many trivial ‘essays’ rather than narratives outside of the monomyth in order to communicate experiences not lessons – as a means of criticizing the ‘meaningful’ monomyths and its Transcendence. (Postmodern literature)
It is all too easy to create pseudoscience – Boaz, Marx, Freud, Cantor – (marxists), by overloading the knowledge and reasoning of people thereby forcing appeal to intuition rather than reason.
It is all too easy to create pseudo-rationlism (pretense of philosophy) by loading, framing, overloading the rather limited abilities of people to reason thereby forcing appeal to intuition instead of reason – yet calling it philosophy (reason).
It is all too easy to outright lie and chant propaganda (political correctness), thereby overloading their ability, desire, and NEED to reason, thereby forcing appeal to intuition instead of reason – yet calling it philosophy rather than simply propaganda, falsehood, and lie.
It is all too easy for humans to fall prey to comforting lies, just as they fall prey to alcohol and drugs and gambling and a hundred other destructive vices. And that some myths *are designed precisely to do that*. After all, what is the difference between pedagogical myth for the purpose of transcendence so that one can succeed in the ‘market’ we call reality, and deceptive myth for the purpose of containment so that one can merely survive in a reality absent a market for transcendence because it is either impossible or one has been deluded that it is not desirable?
THEREFORE
(1) the monomyth/archetype/plot/virtue structure is not enough to teach the virtues because it is not enough to defend against entrapment in deceit that counters the virtues. We can teach with the myths, but we can also DECEIVE with the myths. Because both teaching and deception require the use of ‘suggestion’ which provokes free association, which results in meaning. So we can either create true and good or false and bad meaning.
(2) the *limits of myths* are just as necessary as the contents of those myths. In particular there is a vast difference between history, fiction, hyperbolic myth, idealism and supernaturalism. And a vast difference between submission and transcendence through action. So the myths constructed from the monomyth architecture can use good or bad virtues, good or bad limits, and good or bad methods of discourse. The good: historical, fictional, and hyperbolic, or the bad: ideal and supernatural and fictionalism.
(3) myths can be used to harm mankind – and abrahamism in the form of judaism, christianity and islam have been used to harm mankind. In the case of judaism, the most literate people contributed nothing until converted to Aristotelianism; the christian dark ages were not exited until the reassertion of aristotelianism, and islam destroyed four ancient civilizations during their period of expansion, caused the majority of the european dark age, caused more death than the black plagues, and has caused ignorance, dysgenia, and poverty wherever it has gone. The the german abrahamists tried kantian idealism (pseudo-rationalism), the Jewish abrahamists tried pseudoscience via marx, freud and boaz; the french abrahamists tried postmodernism(anti reason, anti-logic, anti-truth, anti-science), and now the islamists have doubled-down on fundamentalism (anti-reason), raiding (terrorism), and dysgenia (overpopulation), and invasion (immigration) and propaganda (conversion).
SUMMATION
Reality is difficult. The universe is hostile to us. Other peoples are hostile to us. the west, the iranian branch, and the vedic branch created aristocracy
The western group evolutionary strategy is profoundly expensive. We must act heroically. We must suppress our impulses. We must speak the truth regardless of its costs to the dominance hierarchy. We must participate in a militia. We can only gain the franchise through demonstrated sacrifice for the polity.
The enemy of Aristocracy (meritocracy, truth, heroism, eugenics, excellence) is abrahamism (equality, dysgenia, falsehood, submission, subsistence).
This battle has raged at least since 500bc. Arguably it has raged since the invention of fictionalism by Zoroaster: Zoroaster > Abrahamism > Judaism > the heresy of christianity > The heresy of Islam > the french, german, jewish and russian counter-enlightenments.
REMEDY
Today we will either end the second conquest of the west by waves of abrahamism, using a demand for (scientific) truth, goodness(heroism), and beauty(excellence), or we will collapse again into a dark age from which man may never recover – abrahamism is a desirable cancer of the mind, just as much as alcohol and opiates and religions are a desirable cancer of the mind.
Acquisitionism, Propertarianism, and Testimonialism provide a method for the value neutral, loading neutral, framing neutral, analysis of the truth and falsehood, good and bad, of all human expression – including that of the Myths: Monomyth > Plots > Archetypes > and Virtues.
End abrahamism, and end idealism, and require truth in matters of politics and thereby limit all actions and speech to fully informed, productive, warrantied, voluntary transfers of goods, services, and information, free of imposition by externality of costs upon the investments of others.
It’s trivial. But we must abandon convenient habitual lies just as we have abandoned the convenience of fraud, the convenience of theft, and the convenience of violence, and the convenience of murder.
Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev, Ukraine
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-23 08:21:00 UTC
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THE CONFLICT: ABRAHAMISM OR ARYANISM? By Daniel Gurpide (excellent) I think hero
THE CONFLICT: ABRAHAMISM OR ARYANISM?
By Daniel Gurpide (excellent)
I think heroism boils down to the monomyth, as Curt usually reminds us: transcendence.
The possibility of transcendence for Abrahamism takes place in the world beyond, in meta-physics; for Aryanism, on the other hand, it takes place in this world, in meta-history, through the announcement of the the Nietzschean “Übermensch”.
In this sense, the hero’s journey might require sometimes an enemy, which can also be oneself, or the representation that we choose to have of our own past, and more generally of the universe, in relation to the future, the destiny that we want to create.
Virgil stated, ‘We make our destiny by our choice of the Gods.’ Any decision on the future is always a decision on the past—on the origins—and vice versa.
The cultural battle today implies, as always, a conflict of genealogies: Abrahamism or Aryanism?
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-23 07:25:00 UTC
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WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN POLYTHEISTS Polytheism in myth, language of argument, and ae
WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN POLYTHEISTS
Polytheism in myth, language of argument, and aesthetic preference is necessary in a division of personality, intelligence, knowledge, and labor. Only sovereignty and the militia need bind us.
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-22 11:23:00 UTC
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POSTMODERNISM IS LYING ABOUT THIS WORLD, LIKE CHRISTIANITY THE NEXT – BUT POSTMO
POSTMODERNISM IS LYING ABOUT THIS WORLD, LIKE CHRISTIANITY THE NEXT – BUT POSTMODERNISM’S JUST CHRISTIANITY V2.
What is postmodernism but christianity by secular means? Outright lying about this world, rather than outright lying about a life after death?
LYING.
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-22 07:45:00 UTC
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ON SPIRITUALITY AND TRANSCENDENCE (important) You know, when you use the word sp
ON SPIRITUALITY AND TRANSCENDENCE
(important)
You know, when you use the word spiritual you mean ‘non-rational’. You mean submission of human reason to animal free association. By animal free association to instinct and impulse. And by doing so enjoy the feelings that freedom from reason and exploration of our animal instincts provide us. You can restore the ‘security of the tribe and pack’.
You can achieve that experience through action discipline (stoic discipline), buddhist mental discipline, contemplative prayer, or ritualistic (repetition) prayer, asian ritualistic discipline, Or any of the nonsense new age drivel by which the weak escape reality rather than defeat it.
You can obtain the collective experience of submission to the will of the pack, and the production of reciprocal trust, through sport, festival, feast, group observation (dramatic play), group ritual or ceremony, group ritual prayer.
You can obtain the collective development of reciprocal trust through military service, emergency service, and civic service in the production and maintenance of commons, and demonstrated civic virtues.
Now of those three sets of impulses we can abandon reality, we can tolerate reality, or we can change reality. We can embrace our current condition, we can tolerate our current condition, or we can change our current condition.
Now of those sets of choices, which are transcendent-in-fact, and which claim transcendence but are just chemical rewards no different from taking drugs, producing ends that are no different from taking drugs?
There are those of us who are fully human and have transcended the beast. There are those who are less fully transcendent and need to retreat to the beast now and then to burn off the frustrations of insufficient transcendence. There are those of us who constantly struggle to demonstrate transcendence and who must retreat to the beast at every opportunity in order to continue their charade, and there are those who have little ability to transcend and merely imitate the various stages of transcendence to the best of their abilities.
One can make moral rational choices because one has transcended and therefore possesses agency. One can recognize moral rational choices despite one’s lack of full transcendence, and still demonstrate agency most of the time. One can make rational choices if trained and exercises his reason in at least those matters political. One can imitate rational choices made by one’s betters out of desire for moral membership. Or one cannot make such choices because one lacks the agency to do so.
So one can appeal to spirituality out of genetic, emotional, or intellectual weakness, and still choose a moral decision by non rational means. But one cannot defend or advocate that decision as rational unless he can state it rationally.
I have no problem with weakness. But the weak cannot rule, and the number of weak, who lack agency due to their failure to transcend must be reduced. And we must never take seriously those who speak in ideal, spiritual, religious or occult terms.
The stoics invented the only un-religion. We can restore it.
a) Aryan Sovereignty for the industrialization of the production of agency.
b) Stoic Personal Discipline that maximizes agency.
c) Stoic Natural Law that maximizes agency.
d) Stoic Aesthetics that maximize excellence
e) Deflationary myths: the use of the Monomyth, the plots, the Archetypes, and the Virtues to teach wisdom by narrative explanations of our psychology of acquisitionism.
END THE LIE OF MONOPOLY. Restore paganism: the market for personalities, the market for specialties, the market for ages, the market for classes. Markets in everything by which we calculate transcendence one generation at a time.
Curt Doolittle
THe Propertarian Institute
Kiev, Ukraine
(TIP: do you see how I use series to eliminate the ability to weasel word through imprecision? Testimonialism=series rather than ideal types, operational definitions rather than experiential or intentional descriptions or ideal definitions; Full accounting rather than cherry picking.)
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-22 07:25:00 UTC
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“Part of why the separation of church and state failed is because they forgot to
—“Part of why the separation of church and state failed is because they forgot to separate Atheism and state.—Ely Harman
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-21 18:22:00 UTC
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“the gods are immortal men, whereas men are mortal gods;”
—“the gods are immortal men, whereas men are mortal gods;”—
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-19 06:39:00 UTC
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(another excerpt) Worse, the continental tradition continues to practice Abraham
(another excerpt)
Worse, the continental tradition continues to practice Abrahamic (religious) invention of conflating both point of view (experience, intention, action, observation) as well as the utility (true, good, preferable, useful, and possible), and even worse, the existential dimensions (real, hyperbolic, ideal-platonic, and supernatural-impossible). So the entire continental program is engaged in secular theology and nothing more.
(see?)
Source date (UTC): 2017-06-17 19:53:00 UTC