Category: Religion, Myth, and Theology

  • Again, I am not an atheist. I just have a very scientific notion of my god. I am

    Again, I am not an atheist. I just have a very scientific notion of my god. I am not anti-jesus’ (very limited) teachings, but anti abrahamism (lying) and anti-biblical (lying); I am not anti-church but anti-lying by the church, and anti-corruption by the church. The difference between a protestant christian and I is only in the range of excuses they use to justify their mindfulness and actions. I don’t need them. But then, that may be a difference in *ability* that cannot be bridged.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-08-15 18:22:00 UTC

  • ALLIANCES BETWEEN THE CLASSES AND ELITES (the importance of jesus) The problem w

    ALLIANCES BETWEEN THE CLASSES AND ELITES

    (the importance of jesus)

    The problem we all face is that protestant christianity, unlike catholicism, democratic secular humanism, and socialist postmodernism, produces good human beings. Especially among the working and lower classes, who have only their ACTIONS (service) to use for status signaling (positive reinforcement). Stoicism does not produce devotion to charity by personal action only insulation from manipulation and mindfulness. So the answer is clearly the structure of stoicism, but the choice of archetypes must include the charity of jesus among the virtues (lower and priestly), the duty of achilles among the virtues(lower middle and nobility), and the reciprocity of Aurelius (middle and upper middle – commercial ), and the devotion to the truth of Aristotle(top – Judiciary).


    Source date (UTC): 2017-08-13 17:24:00 UTC

  • ISLAM LIKE CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM IS JUST ANOTHER ABRAHAMIC LIE. Islam is just

    ISLAM LIKE CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM IS JUST ANOTHER ABRAHAMIC LIE.

    Islam is just another of the abrahamic lies, that dooms jews to the diaspora and persecution, christians to invasion and dark ages, and muslims to ignorance and genetic devolution. Abrahamism was invented to resist evolution in the ancient world and in the modern. A destructive degenerate political order masquerading as a religion, propagated by elaborate lies wishful thinking, and self deception through chanting.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-08-13 10:56:00 UTC

  • “Suffering from an injury does not cure the cause of the injury. It really is a

    —“Suffering from an injury does not cure the cause of the injury. It really is a perverse thought pattern we have inherited from Judeo-Christianity. They really have inverted the perception of reality, such that a victim’s pain, after the fact, somehow indicts and defeats the victor.”– Russell Moore

    Or stated differently, the only reason victimhood succeeds is in forming a resistance movement that raises the cost of administration by middle class commercial empires. That does not prevent the Chinese from conquering and ruling their buddhist neighbors. It allowed Muslims to destroy their tolerant neighbors. And allowed Christians to destroy the Roman Empire.

    Tolerance is a very, very, very, bad strategy. It is very clearly a *failed* strategy. And as far as I know, it is women who have advanced this strategy out of intuition not reason or evidence


    Source date (UTC): 2017-08-10 10:18:00 UTC

  • God is the name for king, for those that are too weak to have one

    God is the name for king, for those that are too weak to have one.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-08-09 10:16:00 UTC

  • REFRAMING RELIGION, REAL, NOT IDEAL OR SUPERNATURAL. My opinion (criticism) is t

    REFRAMING RELIGION, REAL, NOT IDEAL OR SUPERNATURAL.

    My opinion (criticism) is that Peterson is framed and can’t exit it.

    1 – Religion provides a portfolio of enumerable services.

    2 – Those services can be redistributed to non-false institutions.

    3 – Those services can be provided by non false institutions.

    4 – The problem of externalizing self analysis can be solved through a variety of methods.

    5 – My preferred (and rome’s preferred) is that the monarchy past and present represent the family (nation), and that piety to a monarchy is superior to all other methods. *assuming* the monarchy and nobility is as limited as I have stated: to veto of last resort, to funding of arts, letters, and charities, (Excellences), and to facilitation of festivals and holidays. In other words, a secular, familial, religion.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-08-09 09:57:00 UTC

  • THE INJECTION OF GOD ‘STEALS” AUTHORITY FROM NATURE by Bill Joslin Some of Peter

    THE INJECTION OF GOD ‘STEALS” AUTHORITY FROM NATURE

    by Bill Joslin

    Some of Peterson’s commentary leaves the door open for some abuses. For instance the assertion that truth and science evolved out of and are nested in religious frames. But truth and science has blown that frame apart and the results are atrocious.

    || Science, objective truth ->nested in -> religious, intuitive truth (Christ)->Darwinian utility -> properties of nature.

    I disagree and see the religous frame obsolete and leaves us open to future failings.

    || Truth -> Darwinian utility -> Nature

    Then injection of God and religion “steals” authority from nature.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-08-09 09:09:00 UTC

  • THE FALL DE-ABRAHAMIZED The Fall The King built a great garden with high walls a

    THE FALL DE-ABRAHAMIZED

    The Fall

    The King built a great garden with high walls and named it Eden. Angry that it was not perfect without innocence, he purchased from slavers, two most beautiful children, and raised them with the birds, animals, fish, fruits in his garden named Eden. The boy he named Adam, and the girl he named Eve.

    The King raised to the boy and the girl in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. And the King commanded them, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

    Adam and Eve tended the garden, ate all they wanted from it, and knew nothing of the world beyond its walls save the sounds of birds, the rain and the wind.

    The king brought to the garden all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to Adam to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. So Adam gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

    Now among the animals of the garden was an evil serpent, who was jealous of the love of the king for Adam and Eve. The serpent was more crafty than any of the other animals. He said to the woman, “Did the King really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

    The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but the King did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

    “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For The King knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be as free men, knowing good and evil.”

    When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it.

    She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

    Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the King as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the King among the trees of the garden. But the King called to the man, “Where are you?”

    He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”

    And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”

    The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

    Then the King said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

    The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

    So the King said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

    “Cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals!

    I send you to the desert where you will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.”

    To the woman Eve he said, “From my garden I cast you. Know that your desire will be for your husband,and he will rule over you. And with painful labor you will give birth to children.”

    To the man Adam he said, “From my garden I cast you. Through painful toil you will eat food from the land all the days of your life. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, from it you were taken; for dust you are, and to dust you will return.”

    The King gave garments of skin for Adam and his wife and to cloth them. And the King said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.”

    So the the king banished Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which they had been taken.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-08-08 19:06:00 UTC

  • CAIN AND ABEL DE-ABRAHAMIZED Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became preg

    CAIN AND ABEL DE-ABRAHAMIZED

    Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. Later she gave birth to his brother Abel. And in their manhood gave Abel flocks, and Cain Soil, that his sons be fruitful and prosper.

    Now Abel kept his flocks, and Cain worked the soil. In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as a gift to Adam. And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. Adam looked with favor on Abel and his gift, but on Cain and his gift he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.

    Then Adam said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, you will not be accepted; greed and envy desire to have you, but you must rule over it.”

    Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.” While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.

    Then Adam said to Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?”

    “I don’t know,” he replied. “Am I my brother’s keeper?”

    Adam said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground. Now I curse you drive you from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. You will not work the ground, and it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”

    Cain said to Adam, “My punishment is more than I can bear. Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

    But Adam said to him, “Not so”; and Adam took Cain and cut his mark on Cain as he would a beast or slave. And adam said “Anyone who kills Cain will suffer my vengeance seven times over.” So Cain went out from Adam’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Where he married, built a city, and prospered.

    Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, “Adam has given me another child in place of Abel, because Cain has killed him.”

    Adam gave Seth his land and his flocks, and Adam, Eve, Seth and his children prospered.


    Source date (UTC): 2017-08-08 18:47:00 UTC

  • SOMEONE NEW WHO UNDERSTANDS! by Parker Salingers Curt Doolittle: I see. So anoth

    SOMEONE NEW WHO UNDERSTANDS!

    by Parker Salingers

    Curt Doolittle: I see. So another way to frame it could be: jesus was a great archetypal figure, but the bible is largely wrapped in lies, so you may as well praise the characters in Dostoyevskys novels, because they assume similar moral truths and are probably surrounded by less superstition/falsehood.

    And youre right, christianity may have been parsed in ways that were *beneficial* at certain times, and the west certainly had some high points with it as a foundation, but if you look at the history, or even more so the modern countries that have largely embraced xtianity you see this bullshit turn the other cheek universalism that is just cucking those countries into irrelevancy, especially against a system like islam that has no qualms with leeching off christians overzealous universalism, and slitting their throats when theyre done leeching.

    That was actually my next observation, but it seemed too long to burden you with. Sure some countries peaked under xtianity, but compared to what? And how have christian nations faired overall in history? And modern times. Not that great, really. All religious states, really. They become literalist and are oppressive and contradictory and suck ass.

    I think theres MAYBE an argument that christianity, for a time, inspired the search for absolute truth in the west- bacon, aquinas, et al. But does seem unnecessary today.

    Your solution seems to be a system of darwinian truth, and the character rattling around my head is jordan peterson, who i think is dancing with some ideas you are, and im curious how your system would address morality? I actually agree with what youve laid out and think it would produce a strong nation, the strongest. But wheres the moral backbone? I dont see this system relying on any of the half truth philosophers. Kants worthless imperatives. Or really any of the idealists at all.

    Thanks for the response. Ive seen you mocked a bit, and never actually looked into your beliefs, but this sounds totally reasonable and could do a lot of good. You’re in for a hell of a battle though. All of those institutions are equal parts evil and powerful.

    ( CURT: We found another intellectually honest man! )


    Source date (UTC): 2017-08-08 12:02:00 UTC