(FB 1545060768 Timestamp) —“How do we repair our religions? Curt Doolittle, what do you think”—Muhamed Dukmak (a) no more lies (b) make lies prosecutable in court so that the state can’t intervene, (c) prosecute liars for profit until there are no more lies. (d) let our religions adapt to the prohibition on lies, (e) try to organize new religions (which is likely to include restoration of our folk religions), (f) and let the natural self interest of all of us take its course.
Category: Religion, Myth, and Theology
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1545051716 Timestamp) CAN WE ELIMINATE RELIGION? NOT REALLY, BUT THAT REQUIRES WE DEFINE RELIGION AS MARKET DEMANDS RATHER THAN THE CURRENT MEANS OF PRODUCTION. (repost) —“However unrealistic of a goal it might be, wouldn’t the ideal situation be a world without organised religion? Or is there some benefit to religion that I’m not seeing?”—Dann Hopkins Religion is just education. that’s all. Period. The ‘trick’ of both church and state is to claim church does no education, or that state education is sufficient. We need training in physical fitness, mindfulness, manners-ethics-morals-rituals (payments to the commons), the laws, the means of calculating that we think of as the 3R’s, the skills to run a household, and the skills for employment. It does not, as it once did, provide for physical fitness. It provides mindfulness in the personal, interpersonal, and public spheres of life. It provides the some of the manners, ethics, morals rituals that are the positive laws of the social order (not negative laws as is law proper). It provides a venue for public contract making (this is my child, this is my promise to the community, this is my mate, this is our property, this person has died and his or her property may be distributed). It is, to some degree, a computational necessity – meaning that it is very bad not to have that mindfulness. It provides child-level parables and myths which are no less a form of calculation about action in the world than are laws, logic, and mathematics. But there is no reason we cannot have lessons, parables and mythos and histories for each class of people at each stage of their lives, all of which contain the same messages. There is no reason the church rather than the school, post office, or library is not still the center of civic life, and that government is not relegated to the production and maintenance of material commons, just as we keep commerce out of religion. So I think I have most of this figured out – not that I am interested in the content in and of itself, but that I understand how to frame the problem, and restore the incentives, such that the second abrahamic dark age does not capture our people.
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1545051716 Timestamp) CAN WE ELIMINATE RELIGION? NOT REALLY, BUT THAT REQUIRES WE DEFINE RELIGION AS MARKET DEMANDS RATHER THAN THE CURRENT MEANS OF PRODUCTION. (repost) —“However unrealistic of a goal it might be, wouldn’t the ideal situation be a world without organised religion? Or is there some benefit to religion that I’m not seeing?”—Dann Hopkins Religion is just education. that’s all. Period. The ‘trick’ of both church and state is to claim church does no education, or that state education is sufficient. We need training in physical fitness, mindfulness, manners-ethics-morals-rituals (payments to the commons), the laws, the means of calculating that we think of as the 3R’s, the skills to run a household, and the skills for employment. It does not, as it once did, provide for physical fitness. It provides mindfulness in the personal, interpersonal, and public spheres of life. It provides the some of the manners, ethics, morals rituals that are the positive laws of the social order (not negative laws as is law proper). It provides a venue for public contract making (this is my child, this is my promise to the community, this is my mate, this is our property, this person has died and his or her property may be distributed). It is, to some degree, a computational necessity – meaning that it is very bad not to have that mindfulness. It provides child-level parables and myths which are no less a form of calculation about action in the world than are laws, logic, and mathematics. But there is no reason we cannot have lessons, parables and mythos and histories for each class of people at each stage of their lives, all of which contain the same messages. There is no reason the church rather than the school, post office, or library is not still the center of civic life, and that government is not relegated to the production and maintenance of material commons, just as we keep commerce out of religion. So I think I have most of this figured out – not that I am interested in the content in and of itself, but that I understand how to frame the problem, and restore the incentives, such that the second abrahamic dark age does not capture our people.
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1545151057 Timestamp) PROPERTARIANISM AND STOICISM VS BUDDHISM? —“We ought to discuss Buddhism (I am a Buddhist) and Propertarianism (I’ve discussed various matters with Curt Doolittle) in the future.”— Andrew Taylor by The Propertarian Institute It’s not complicated. Buddhism evolved out of hinduism’s ‘spiritualism’ and because of that started out very similar to stoicism but with less empirical names of phenomenon, and was largely a way of developing mindfulness by way of REJECTING the world. Stoicism began as self authoring and was very close to the then-greco-roman empirical method. It’s purpose was to facilitate ACTION in the world, despite our emotions. Stoicism was incorporated into christianity when the stoic schools were forcibly closed by the christian hordes. Buddhism was adopted widely but evolved into a religion rather than a discipline. This has to do largely with the means of spreading stoicism (middle class schools) vs the means of spreading buddhism (common folk under direction of independent teachers, and eventually out of political utility as in japan. ) Where buddhism is pacific and heroic, stoicism is martial and heroic. Otherwise they are similar. My suspicion is that stoicism would have turned into a religion like stoicism if it had not been suppressed by the jews, christians, and the byzantine (greek) re-conquest of rome.
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1545151057 Timestamp) PROPERTARIANISM AND STOICISM VS BUDDHISM? —“We ought to discuss Buddhism (I am a Buddhist) and Propertarianism (I’ve discussed various matters with Curt Doolittle) in the future.”— Andrew Taylor by The Propertarian Institute It’s not complicated. Buddhism evolved out of hinduism’s ‘spiritualism’ and because of that started out very similar to stoicism but with less empirical names of phenomenon, and was largely a way of developing mindfulness by way of REJECTING the world. Stoicism began as self authoring and was very close to the then-greco-roman empirical method. It’s purpose was to facilitate ACTION in the world, despite our emotions. Stoicism was incorporated into christianity when the stoic schools were forcibly closed by the christian hordes. Buddhism was adopted widely but evolved into a religion rather than a discipline. This has to do largely with the means of spreading stoicism (middle class schools) vs the means of spreading buddhism (common folk under direction of independent teachers, and eventually out of political utility as in japan. ) Where buddhism is pacific and heroic, stoicism is martial and heroic. Otherwise they are similar. My suspicion is that stoicism would have turned into a religion like stoicism if it had not been suppressed by the jews, christians, and the byzantine (greek) re-conquest of rome.
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1545226425 Timestamp) You don’t know your history. Religions spread because society HAS BROKEN DOWN or because conquerors want to BREAK THEM DOWN so that they can be controlled. I don’t make mistakes. It’s part of my charm. … Well, not that I have any charm – so, really, it’s because testimonialism puts extraordinary constraints on one’s ability to make excuses.
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1545314565 Timestamp) THE MILITIA, THE KING, OUR ANCESTORS, NATURE, THE LAW: RESTORE OUR NATURAL RELIGION —There is no substitute for a initiation in group of warriors (pack), and ritual thanks to one another, a king, ancestors, and nature. … Everything else is education, therapy, medication.– (worth repeating)
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
(FB 1545314565 Timestamp) THE MILITIA, THE KING, OUR ANCESTORS, NATURE, THE LAW: RESTORE OUR NATURAL RELIGION —There is no substitute for a initiation in group of warriors (pack), and ritual thanks to one another, a king, ancestors, and nature. … Everything else is education, therapy, medication.– (worth repeating)
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The Definition of Abrahamism
THE DEFINITION OF ABRAHAMISM (FB 1545314421 Timestamp) Abrahamism (noun) [T]he use of false promise, baiting into moral hazard, advanced by “Pilpul” consisting of the heaping of undue praise, sophism, supernaturalism, and pseudoscience, and defended by “Critique”, consisting of disapproval, moralizing, shaming, ridicule, rallying, gossiping, and reputation destruction – thereby advancing a falsehood on one hand, and attacking the person rather than argument on the other. What I do, is teach how to identify and defeat these feminine arguments – arguments that because of our high trust genetics, traditions, institutions, and civilization, we are disproportionately vulnerable to. Truth under threat of violence is the competitive strategy of males, and conformity under threat of reputation destruction the competitive strategy of females. Know thine enemy. Defeat him completely. Leave his defeat as an indelible mark on history. Sovereignty, and Reciprocity, Truth and Duty and Violence. Every man a sheriff, a judge, a warrior, a sovereign. -Curt Doolittle The Propertarian Institute
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The Definition of Abrahamism
THE DEFINITION OF ABRAHAMISM (FB 1545314421 Timestamp) Abrahamism (noun) [T]he use of false promise, baiting into moral hazard, advanced by “Pilpul” consisting of the heaping of undue praise, sophism, supernaturalism, and pseudoscience, and defended by “Critique”, consisting of disapproval, moralizing, shaming, ridicule, rallying, gossiping, and reputation destruction – thereby advancing a falsehood on one hand, and attacking the person rather than argument on the other. What I do, is teach how to identify and defeat these feminine arguments – arguments that because of our high trust genetics, traditions, institutions, and civilization, we are disproportionately vulnerable to. Truth under threat of violence is the competitive strategy of males, and conformity under threat of reputation destruction the competitive strategy of females. Know thine enemy. Defeat him completely. Leave his defeat as an indelible mark on history. Sovereignty, and Reciprocity, Truth and Duty and Violence. Every man a sheriff, a judge, a warrior, a sovereign. -Curt Doolittle The Propertarian Institute