Category: Human Behavior and Cognitive Science

  • No More Woo Woo in Cognitive Science Please

    Feb 12, 2020, 2:47 PM

    —-“A widespread misconception in much of psychology holds that as vertebrate animals evolved, ‘newer’ brain structures were added over existing ‘older’ brain structures” Your Brain Is Not an Onion with a Tiny Reptile Inside A widespread misconception in much of psychology holds that (1) as vertebrate animals evolved, “newer” brain structures were added over existing “older” brain structures and (2) these newer,….. “All vertebrates possess the same basic brain—and forebrain—regions. … [None] are evolutionarily newer in some mammals than others. … even the prefrontal cortex, a region associated with reason and action planning, is not a uniquely human structure.”— Robin Hanson @robinhanson

    [A] statement without meaning – there’s only one cell type in the nervous system, three subtypes, but almost countless variation that all functional regions in the brain evolved from. So what? Does that mean we can’t demarcate dramatic evolutionary leaps in function by organism? To say that a fish is sentient and aware is true. To say it is conscious is to demand we define the spectrum of predictive models capable for the organism, and its ability to react vs choose vs reason vs calculate transformations of state vs calculate cooperation. So if the point is to clarify that the brain is just a collection of similar cells in various forms of organization and that for all intents and purposes our brain is an outgrowth of our consciousness (modeling of our body and movement in space) yes. To equate sentience (feeling of changes in state), and awareness (of change in state of environment) and semi-consciousness (prediction of future states and possible reactions), consciousness (prediction of future permutations of state), to transformations of state is a leap. If the question is ‘who is the observer’ (which I suspect is the origin of most problems in philosophy and cognitive science) it’s memory of the last few memories recursively processed as a stream of changes in model in the hippocampal region. Consciousness is a verb not a noun. Why do I care? No more woo woo in cognitive science please. If you can’t pass the mirror test, the gesture test, sympathy test (cooperation), demonstrate natural operational grammar (language), and create multi-part tools, or enter into agreement (consent) then you’re far behind. The difference between the engine of a 3d video game and the human brain turns out to be terrifyingly small. We just do everything in massive parallel and at a much lower voltage and current because of it, and we do the prediction as well as the construction.

  • WOMEN USING P AGAINST GSRRM by James Dmitro Makienko My wife is an aspie, and sh

    WOMEN USING P AGAINST GSRRM

    by James Dmitro Makienko

    My wife is an aspie, and she is in a fashion industry, which is rife with GSRRM. She tried everything, until she “read Doolittle” (c) and learned some P-concepts.

    Mainly she uses a meta-term “manipulation” as a catch-all for GSRRM and other feminine cognition shit they use. She calls them out on manipulation. They usually respond with more GSRRM. Then she says “you are using ORRGSM+M(manipulation) to manipulate me into going against my interests, and I am not falling for it”. Then they try it again. She repeats herself and adds “and since you use manipulation, instead of logic and reason, you are a bad person, with a dark agenda, who is trying to take me for a fool, but I am not falling for it”. She keeps repeating it until manipulators run away – when you expose them they run out of options they can use.

    She also read up on dark triad traits on manipulative behaviors of sociopaths and narcissists and found things like “Framing” – (“if you are a good girl/christian/X you will do Y and go against your interests to serve my interests”) which are also used with GSRRM.

    Calmly exposing manipulative tactics with a precisely defined technical term works for her to disarm those who use GSRRM.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-13 14:38:00 UTC

  • What is the purpose of GSRRM? Truth suppression. And why do they suppress the tr

    What is the purpose of GSRRM? Truth suppression. And why do they suppress the truth of human differences? Truth suppression. And why? Theft. And why? Dysgenia.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-13 10:29:00 UTC

  • The difference between the engine of a 3d video game and the human brain turns o

    The difference between the engine of a 3d video game and the human brain turns out to be terrifyingly small. We just do everything in massive parallel and at a much lower voltage and current because of it, and we do the prediction as well as the construction.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 19:45:39 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227680184901537793

    Reply addressees: @robinhanson

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227679648219324416


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    @robinhanson If the question is ‘who is the observer’ (which I suspect is the origin of most problems in philosophy and cognitive science) it’s memory of the last few memories recursively processed as a stream of changes in model in the hippocampal region. Consciousness is a verb not a noun.

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1227679648219324416

  • If the question is ‘who is the observer’ (which I suspect is the origin of most

    If the question is ‘who is the observer’ (which I suspect is the origin of most problems in philosophy and cognitive science) it’s memory of the last few memories recursively processed as a stream of changes in model in the hippocampal region. Consciousness is a verb not a noun.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 19:43:31 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227679648219324416

    Reply addressees: @robinhanson

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227679190314573825


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    @robinhanson Why do I care? No more woo woo in cognitive science please. If you can’t pass the mirror test, the gesture test, sympathy test (cooperation), demonstrate natural operational grammar (language), and create multi-part tools, or enter into agreement (consent) then you’re far behind.

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1227679190314573825

  • Why do I care? No more woo woo in cognitive science please. If you can’t pass th

    Why do I care? No more woo woo in cognitive science please. If you can’t pass the mirror test, the gesture test, sympathy test (cooperation), demonstrate natural operational grammar (language), and create multi-part tools, or enter into agreement (consent) then you’re far behind.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 19:41:42 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227679190314573825

    Reply addressees: @robinhanson

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227678491539365890


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    @robinhanson To equate sentience (feeling of changes in state), and awareness (of change instate of environment) and semi-consiousness (prediction of future states and possible reactions), consciousness (prediction of future permutations of state), to transformations of state is a leap.

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1227678491539365890

  • To equate sentience (feeling of changes in state), and awareness (of change inst

    To equate sentience (feeling of changes in state), and awareness (of change instate of environment) and semi-consiousness (prediction of future states and possible reactions), consciousness (prediction of future permutations of state), to transformations of state is a leap.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 19:38:56 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227678491539365890

    Reply addressees: @robinhanson

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227678025543757826


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    @robinhanson So if the point is to clarify that the brain is just a collection of similar cells in various forms of organization, and that for all intents and purposes our brain is an outgrowth of our consciousness (modeling of our body and movement in space) yes.

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1227678025543757826

  • So if the point is to clarify that the brain is just a collection of similar cel

    So if the point is to clarify that the brain is just a collection of similar cells in various forms of organization, and that for all intents and purposes our brain is an outgrowth of our consciousness (modeling of our body and movement in space) yes.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 19:37:05 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227678025543757826

    Reply addressees: @robinhanson

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227677343428288512


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    @robinhanson To say that a fish is sentient and aware is true. To say it is conscious is to demand we define the spectrum of predictive models capable for the organism, and its ability to react vs choose vs reason vs calculate vs calculate transformations of state vs calculate cooperation.

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1227677343428288512


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    @curtdoolittle

    @robinhanson To say that a fish is sentient and aware is true. To say it is conscious is to demand we define the spectrum of predictive models capable for the organism, and its ability to react vs choose vs reason vs calculate vs calculate transformations of state vs calculate cooperation.

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1227677343428288512

  • To say that a fish is sentient and aware is true. To say it is conscious is to d

    To say that a fish is sentient and aware is true. To say it is conscious is to demand we define the spectrum of predictive models capable for the organism, and its ability to react vs choose vs reason vs calculate vs calculate transformations of state vs calculate cooperation.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 19:34:22 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227677343428288512

    Reply addressees: @robinhanson

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227676608431116288


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    @robinhanson A statement without meaning – there’s only one cell type in the nervous system, three subtypes, but almost countless variation that all functional regions in the brain evolved from. So what? Does that mean we can’t demarcate dramatic evolutionary leaps in function by organism?

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1227676608431116288


    IN REPLY TO:

    @curtdoolittle

    @robinhanson A statement without meaning – there’s only one cell type in the nervous system, three subtypes, but almost countless variation that all functional regions in the brain evolved from. So what? Does that mean we can’t demarcate dramatic evolutionary leaps in function by organism?

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1227676608431116288

  • A statement without meaning – there’s only one cell type in the nervous system,

    A statement without meaning – there’s only one cell type in the nervous system, three subtypes, but almost countless variation that all functional regions in the brain evolved from. So what? Does that mean we can’t demarcate dramatic evolutionary leaps in function by organism?


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 19:31:27 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227676608431116288

    Reply addressees: @robinhanson

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227255091725389824


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    @robinhanson

    “All vertebrates possess the same basic brain—and forebrain—regions. … [None] are evolutionarily newer in some mammals than others. … even the prefrontal cortex, a region associated with reason and action planning, is not a uniquely human structure.”

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227255091725389824