Category: Commentary, Critique, and Response

photos_and_videos/TimelinePhotos_SxeO6JU-xg/42266850_10156654890892264_5840317299562643456_n_10156654890887264.jpg Jonathan WilburOne thing that makes me really mad about the politicization of racial science (inb4 race is innately political; you know what I mean) is the lack of scientific and precise racial cladistics. Particularly for the purposes of modeling people in databases or software, the only formalized racial cladistics to which I have access is the census bureau’s broad and specious seven categories, which absurdly clusters Southern Asian and Northern Asian, for instance, which we know from pedestrian observation are categorically different.Sep 22, 2018, 11:51 AMJonathan WilburSo I love stuff like this. I wish we had a formally defined taxonomic hierarchy of races.Sep 22, 2018, 11:51 AMDon LemonatiI bet there are parts of India with less Dravidians than Canada and BritainSep 22, 2018, 12:05 PMJoe Boyumleave no street left behindSep 22, 2018, 12:07 PMCurt Doolittlewe do. it’s on my site. I maintain it.Sep 22, 2018, 12:20 PMCurt DoolittleThe principle issue is that India is a race-in-the-making but it won’t get made in modernity.Sep 22, 2018, 12:22 PMThiago Modelborn Pereira-BerthoVeddoidSep 22, 2018, 12:25 PMVincent PicciottiMy heavily Jewish grandmother traveled the entire country throughout a month

She said it was amazing how much the India on the border with west Pakistan was grateful of the British rule to remove the Arabs

Many will still adhere to British customs and style and traditionsSep 22, 2018, 12:26 PMVincent PicciottiMakes me think of I believe the Bantu tribe of South Africa who liked apartheid do to their separation from the ZuluSep 22, 2018, 12:28 PMAdam J. Meekthe castes function as mini races. India is a forge for many breeds of men.Sep 22, 2018, 12:31 PMErnest HeideggerRegress this map with per capita GDP pls.

Caucasoid supremacy rears its ugly head!Sep 22, 2018, 12:31 PMSteven GantI need proof.Sep 22, 2018, 12:32 PMSteven Ganthttps://www.quora.com/Which-is-the-most-prosperous-and-most-backward-area-in-IndiaSep 22, 2018, 12:36 PMErnest Heidegger”Most prosperous” and “most backwards” are misleading. Regressing it across the board paints a better picture overall.Sep 22, 2018, 12:37 PMAaron KahlandVincent Picciotti Bantu is not a tribe but an ethnicity (or linguistic group). The Zulu, for example, are Bantus.Sep 22, 2018, 12:41 PMErnest HeideggerHigher caste are higher income. Higher caste also tend to be lighter complected.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Skin-colour-tied-to-caste-system-says-study/articleshow/55532665.cmsSep 22, 2018, 12:42 PMErnest Heideggerhttps://theconversation.com/bleached-girls-india-and-its-love-for-light-skin-80655Sep 22, 2018, 12:42 PMVincent PicciottiAaron Kahland ahhhhh

Then who is the native group of South Africa

Because I know the zulus aren’t the original natives

The Lesotho people are much different and are closer to the minority black group that the zulus mercilessly murdered shortly after the Dutch made settlementSep 22, 2018, 12:45 PMAaron KahlandVincent Picciotti That’s correct – the Bantus moved into South Africa. The original inhabitants are the San / Khoi peoples – who were replaced by the Bantus in the Eastern half of South Africa. San are not ethnically related to Bantus.Sep 22, 2018, 12:47 PMErnest HeideggerIt’s not just India. In South America and Asia, lighter characteristics are socially desirable, with women in those countries specifically requesting ethnic European sperm from sperm banks, and having plastic surgery to make their facial attributes appear lighter.

Now the question is: is this psychological undercurrent derived from western marketing, or an innate/evolved understanding of what functions better?

To be clear, straightening hair and bleaching skin doesn’t make non-European societies function like European societies, because race is more than skin deep, but imitation is the highest form of flattery.Sep 22, 2018, 12:48 PMNick BaileyLet no street be devoid of human shit.Sep 22, 2018, 12:50 PMJoe Boyumhow many H-1B’s in san francisco. seems they bring their culture with themSep 22, 2018, 12:51 PMVincent PicciottiAaron Kahland ahhh see that makes sense

And apartheid saw them get their own respective sovereign lands correct? I know they are still quite backwards to most of the civilized world but I personall see no issue in that if they have their own space

But I only find it funny because the zulus want all this power and the white beta cucks just can’t wait to steal land from other whites and give it awaySep 22, 2018, 12:54 PMCurt DoolittleNeoteny is desirable always and everywhereSep 22, 2018, 12:56 PMMatthew MorrisonWould that be your propertarianism site?Sep 22, 2018, 12:56 PMCurt Doolittleyes.

https://propertarianism.com/2015/07/19/aristocracy-for-everyone-how-many-races-and-tribes/Sep 22, 2018, 1:04 PMMatthew MorrisonthanksSep 22, 2018, 1:06 PMTom JamesLooks like it’s where the 3 races meetSep 22, 2018, 3:07 PMMarcus JamesVincent Picciotti Khoisan are who you’re thinking of.Sep 22, 2018, 4:17 PMVincent PicciottiJames Archer thank you JamesSep 22, 2018, 4:20 PMConnor Whittlep o o

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oSep 22, 2018, 5:16 PMUjjwal Kumar ChoudharyThat was extremely stereotypical.Sep 22, 2018, 11:28 PMUjjwal Kumar ChoudharyThe progress is real, but anyway, have your fun.Sep 22, 2018, 11:30 PMUjjwal Kumar ChoudharyThere is no truth in this map, Mr. Curt.Sep 22, 2018, 11:32 PMCurt DoolittleThat is not an argument. ;)Sep 23, 2018, 5:57 AMUjjwal Kumar ChoudharySo you mean to say that, I am a caucasoid? XDSep 23, 2018, 6:05 AMEric GroseJiggs Chasmawala your thoughts?Sep 23, 2018, 6:10 AMJiggs ChasmawalaDravidians aren’t a separate race. This is more of a linguistic map. But even the dravidian languages share about 80% of their vocabulary with the northern languages.Sep 23, 2018, 6:11 AMJiggs ChasmawalaA separate Dravidian race is a British invention to play divide & rule.Sep 23, 2018, 6:14 AMEric GroseJiggs Chasmawala perfidious AlbionSep 23, 2018, 6:16 AMJiggs ChasmawalaI’d say abominable.Sep 23, 2018, 6:17 AMJiggs ChasmawalaCurt Doolittle About the myth of a separate dravidian race. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rajiv-malhotra/how-evangelists-are-inven_b_841606.htmlSep 23, 2018, 6:24 AMJohn RamboLOL East Asians and Asians in thee US form the richest salaried employees.

They’re so good that white people start talking about unfairness :pSep 23, 2018, 7:03 AMJoe BoyumVivek Na incredible what they can do when they live in a white country run by whites. wonder what india would look like under such circumstances?Sep 23, 2018, 8:00 AMJohn RamboI frankly feel that the intellectual people of India are far better letting caucasians manage stuff – especially since western capitalism and consumerism is the way the world works

We come from a history of scarcity, adjustment and a knowledge based culture – Leadership, planning etc seem to be not quite the forte of the indian psyche.Sep 23, 2018, 8:04 AMEric GroseCurt Doolittle India is the country of the future, and always will be.Sep 23, 2018, 8:53 AMScott Throne”huffpo”Sep 23, 2018, 10:27 PMHuy-Anh LêDon’t forget the Australoid natives in the middle of the country, and of course scattered in the Andaman Islands.Oct 8, 2018, 7:57 PMCurt DoolittleWell, the australoids passed through India, and mixed with denisovians, so there should be remnants in India, and those rare island people are of course also remnants.

At present I think there is a lot of debate over dravidian orgins as ancestral Indians, and elamites, and hrpappans. And I am not yet knowledgeable enough to make an argument one way or the other. Although some others who follow me are. I had thought that Dravidians like Australoids were artifacts of the Ethiopian Departure 70K years ago. the the competing arguments are just as confusing.Oct 8, 2018, 9:40 PMSasha ShepherdThis would imply that Pakistan is almost entirely Caucasian?Oct 9, 2018, 2:15 AMSasha ShepherdThe designation ‘Caucasian’ is actually quite broad.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNGOct 9, 2018, 2:16 AMAaron KahlandNot really because Pakistani isn’t an ethnicity. After Indian indpendence in 1948 there was a massive population transfer between newly created India and Pakistan based on religious affiliation. Hindus were supposed to go South, Muslims North. Pakistan is thus very heterogenous.Oct 9, 2018, 10:02 AMCurt Doolittle^YepOct 9, 2018, 11:02 AMTaylor SpoonerWhat’s your reasoning for the stark difference in phenotypes?Oct 9, 2018, 4:22 PMJiggs Chasmawaladifferent climates in the subcontinentOct 9, 2018, 4:23 PMMichael ChurchillMany Pakistanis have very large heads and look extremely intelligent. I went to Lahore and Karachi within the last five years. They are extremely INTENSE places. I ended up investing in Pakistan for a number of years because it looked to me that they would figure out their problems. Still seems that way to me. Basically they are building new cities on the outskirts of their existing cities.Oct 9, 2018, 11:07 PMMichael ChurchillWhat do you think of the theory that the high caste of India was actually a function of westerners settling there, and that the Upanishads are really western mystical thought. Sanskrit was sort of a western-created language for elites only. Does this hold water?Oct 9, 2018, 11:08 PMAaron KahlandMichael Churchill average IQ of Pakistan is 84 – which is no different from India and extremely low.Oct 10, 2018, 6:22 AMJayant BhandariIndia is the most complex experiment about multi-ethnic, tribal society. Nothing works. No decisions get taken. No discussion takes place.Oct 10, 2018, 10:32 AMJayant BhandariIt is hard to believe that this was’t the case. It might not have been western people, but a bunch of people who came to India around 2,500 years back were unique people, very smart. My guess is that the caste system was created to ensure that the genes didn’t get diluted.Oct 10, 2018, 10:37 AMMichael ChurchillInteresting … thanks. Michael Tsarion writes about this theory a lot and I have heard it elsewhere as well. But I have no idea if it is true.Oct 10, 2018, 10:42 AMCurt DoolittleAFAIK, the ANI’s were defeated by the IE’s, and imposed the caste system. This looks like the genetic record as well.Oct 10, 2018, 1:46 PMCurt DoolittleOver time IE-ANI, interbred with ASI (Dravidians), producing the three indias: north, mixed, south.Oct 10, 2018, 1:46 PMJanderson RexJayant Bhandari The genetic data really supports this.

Suggest reading David Reich’s Who We Are and How We Got Here.

Essentially the Indians have lived side by side for thousands of years and done very very little inbreeding. It’s remarkableOct 11, 2018, 1:34 PMJanderson RexKarlin’s article on India is great

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-puzzle-of-indian-iq-a-country-of-gypsies-and-jews/Oct 11, 2018, 1:34 PM

photos_and_videos/TimelinePhotos_43196237263/42266850_10156654890892264_5840317299562643456_n_10156654890887264.jpg Jonathan WilburOne thing that makes me really mad about the politicization of racial science (inb4 race is innately political; you know what I mean) is the lack of scientific and precise racial cladistics. Particularly for the purposes of modeling people in databases or software, the only formalized racial cladistics to which I have access is the census bureau’s broad and specious seven categories, which absurdly clusters Southern Asian and Northern Asian, for instance, which we know from pedestrian observation are categorically different.Sep 22, 2018 11:51amJonathan WilburSo I love stuff like this. I wish we had a formally defined taxonomic hierarchy of races.Sep 22, 2018 11:51amDon LemonatiI bet there are parts of India with less Dravidians than Canada and BritainSep 22, 2018 12:05pmJoe Boyumleave no street left behindSep 22, 2018 12:07pmCurt Doolittlewe do. it’s on my site. I maintain it.Sep 22, 2018 12:20pmCurt DoolittleThe principle issue is that India is a race-in-the-making but it won’t get made in modernity.Sep 22, 2018 12:22pmThiago Modelborn Pereira-BerthoVeddoidSep 22, 2018 12:25pmVincent PicciottiMy heavily Jewish grandmother traveled the entire country throughout a month

She said it was amazing how much the India on the border with west Pakistan was grateful of the British rule to remove the Arabs

Many will still adhere to British customs and style and traditionsSep 22, 2018 12:26pmVincent PicciottiMakes me think of I believe the Bantu tribe of South Africa who liked apartheid do to their separation from the ZuluSep 22, 2018 12:28pmAdam J. Meekthe castes function as mini races. India is a forge for many breeds of men.Sep 22, 2018 12:31pmErnest HeideggerRegress this map with per capita GDP pls.

Caucasoid supremacy rears its ugly head!Sep 22, 2018 12:31pmSteven GantI need proof.Sep 22, 2018 12:32pmSteven Ganthttps://www.quora.com/Which-is-the-most-prosperous-and-most-backward-area-in-IndiaSep 22, 2018 12:36pmErnest Heidegger”Most prosperous” and “most backwards” are misleading. Regressing it across the board paints a better picture overall.Sep 22, 2018 12:37pmAaron Kahland@[100000564586470:2048:Vincent Picciotti] Bantu is not a tribe but an ethnicity (or linguistic group). The Zulu, for example, are Bantus.Sep 22, 2018 12:41pmErnest HeideggerHigher caste are higher income. Higher caste also tend to be lighter complected.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Skin-colour-tied-to-caste-system-says-study/articleshow/55532665.cmsSep 22, 2018 12:42pmErnest Heideggerhttps://theconversation.com/bleached-girls-india-and-its-love-for-light-skin-80655Sep 22, 2018 12:42pmVincent Picciotti@[1420794899:2048:Aaron Kahland] ahhhhh

Then who is the native group of South Africa

Because I know the zulus aren’t the original natives

The Lesotho people are much different and are closer to the minority black group that the zulus mercilessly murdered shortly after the Dutch made settlementSep 22, 2018 12:45pmAaron Kahland@[100000564586470:2048:Vincent Picciotti] That’s correct – the Bantus moved into South Africa. The original inhabitants are the San / Khoi peoples – who were replaced by the Bantus in the Eastern half of South Africa. San are not ethnically related to Bantus.Sep 22, 2018 12:47pmErnest HeideggerIt’s not just India. In South America and Asia, lighter characteristics are socially desirable, with women in those countries specifically requesting ethnic European sperm from sperm banks, and having plastic surgery to make their facial attributes appear lighter.

Now the question is: is this psychological undercurrent derived from western marketing, or an innate/evolved understanding of what functions better?

To be clear, straightening hair and bleaching skin doesn’t make non-European societies function like European societies, because race is more than skin deep, but imitation is the highest form of flattery.Sep 22, 2018 12:48pmNick BaileyLet no street be devoid of human shit.Sep 22, 2018 12:50pmJoe Boyumhow many H-1B’s in san francisco. seems they bring their culture with themSep 22, 2018 12:51pmVincent Picciotti@[1420794899:2048:Aaron Kahland] ahhh see that makes sense

And apartheid saw them get their own respective sovereign lands correct? I know they are still quite backwards to most of the civilized world but I personall see no issue in that if they have their own space

But I only find it funny because the zulus want all this power and the white beta cucks just can’t wait to steal land from other whites and give it awaySep 22, 2018 12:54pmCurt DoolittleNeoteny is desirable always and everywhereSep 22, 2018 12:56pmMatthew MorrisonWould that be your propertarianism site?Sep 22, 2018 12:56pmCurt Doolittleyes.

https://propertarianism.com/2015/07/19/aristocracy-for-everyone-how-many-races-and-tribes/Sep 22, 2018 1:04pmMatthew MorrisonthanksSep 22, 2018 1:06pmTom JamesLooks like it’s where the 3 races meetSep 22, 2018 3:07pmJames Archer@[100000564586470:2048:Vincent Picciotti] Khoisan are who you’re thinking of.Sep 22, 2018 4:17pmVincent PicciottiJames Archer thank you JamesSep 22, 2018 4:20pmConnor Whittlep o o

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oSep 22, 2018 5:16pmUjjwal Kumar ChoudharyThat was extremely stereotypical.Sep 22, 2018 11:28pmUjjwal Kumar ChoudharyThe progress is real, but anyway, have your fun.Sep 22, 2018 11:30pmUjjwal Kumar ChoudharyThere is no truth in this map, Mr. Curt.Sep 22, 2018 11:32pmCurt DoolittleThat is not an argument. ;)Sep 23, 2018 5:57amUjjwal Kumar ChoudharySo you mean to say that, I am a caucasoid? XDSep 23, 2018 6:05amEric Grose@[100009692238887:2048:Jiggs Chasmawala] your thoughts?Sep 23, 2018 6:10amJiggs ChasmawalaDravidians aren’t a separate race. This is more of a linguistic map. But even the dravidian languages share about 80% of their vocabulary with the northern languages.Sep 23, 2018 6:11amJiggs ChasmawalaA separate Dravidian race is a British invention to play divide & rule.Sep 23, 2018 6:14amEric Grose@[100009692238887:2048:Jiggs Chasmawala] perfidious AlbionSep 23, 2018 6:16amJiggs ChasmawalaI’d say abominable.Sep 23, 2018 6:17amJiggs Chasmawala@[741197263:2048:Curt Doolittle] About the myth of a separate dravidian race. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rajiv-malhotra/how-evangelists-are-inven_b_841606.htmlSep 23, 2018 6:24amVivek NaLOL East Asians and Asians in thee US form the richest salaried employees.

They’re so good that white people start talking about unfairness :pSep 23, 2018 7:03amJoe Boyum@[655112128:2048:Vivek Na] incredible what they can do when they live in a white country run by whites. wonder what india would look like under such circumstances?Sep 23, 2018 8:00amVivek NaI frankly feel that the intellectual people of India are far better letting caucasians manage stuff – especially since western capitalism and consumerism is the way the world works

We come from a history of scarcity, adjustment and a knowledge based culture – Leadership, planning etc seem to be not quite the forte of the indian psyche.Sep 23, 2018 8:04amChris@[100001051667274:2048:Jonathon Perdis]Sep 23, 2018 8:16amEric Grose@[741197263:2048:Curt Doolittle] India is the country of the future, and always will be.Sep 23, 2018 8:53amScott Throne”huffpo”Sep 23, 2018 10:27pmHuy-Anh LêDon’t forget the Australoid natives in the middle of the country, and of course scattered in the Andaman Islands.Oct 08, 2018 7:57pmCurt DoolittleWell, the australoids passed through India, and mixed with denisovians, so there should be remnants in India, and those rare island people are of course also remnants.

At present I think there is a lot of debate over dravidian orgins as ancestral Indians, and elamites, and hrpappans. And I am not yet knowledgeable enough to make an argument one way or the other. Although some others who follow me are. I had thought that Dravidians like Australoids were artifacts of the Ethiopian Departure 70K years ago. the the competing arguments are just as confusing.Oct 08, 2018 9:40pmSasha ShepherdThis would imply that Pakistan is almost entirely Caucasian?Oct 09, 2018 2:15amSasha ShepherdThe designation ‘Caucasian’ is actually quite broad.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Carleton_Coon_races_after_Pleistocene.PNGOct 09, 2018 2:16amAaron KahlandNot really because Pakistani isn’t an ethnicity. After Indian indpendence in 1948 there was a massive population transfer between newly created India and Pakistan based on religious affiliation. Hindus were supposed to go South, Muslims North. Pakistan is thus very heterogenous.Oct 09, 2018 10:02amCurt Doolittle^YepOct 09, 2018 11:02amTaylor SpoonerWhat’s your reasoning for the stark difference in phenotypes?Oct 09, 2018 4:22pmJiggs Chasmawaladifferent climates in the subcontinentOct 09, 2018 4:23pmMichael ChurchillMany Pakistanis have very large heads and look extremely intelligent. I went to Lahore and Karachi within the last five years. They are extremely INTENSE places. I ended up investing in Pakistan for a number of years because it looked to me that they would figure out their problems. Still seems that way to me. Basically they are building new cities on the outskirts of their existing cities.Oct 09, 2018 11:07pmMichael ChurchillWhat do you think of the theory that the high caste of India was actually a function of westerners settling there, and that the Upanishads are really western mystical thought. Sanskrit was sort of a western-created language for elites only. Does this hold water?Oct 09, 2018 11:08pmAaron Kahland@[714714586:2048:Michael Churchill] average IQ of Pakistan is 84 – which is no different from India and extremely low.Oct 10, 2018 6:22amJayant BhandariIndia is the most complex experiment about multi-ethnic, tribal society. Nothing works. No decisions get taken. No discussion takes place.Oct 10, 2018 10:32amJayant BhandariIt is hard to believe that this was’t the case. It might not have been western people, but a bunch of people who came to India around 2,500 years back were unique people, very smart. My guess is that the caste system was created to ensure that the genes didn’t get diluted.Oct 10, 2018 10:37amMichael ChurchillInteresting … thanks. Michael Tsarion writes about this theory a lot and I have heard it elsewhere as well. But I have no idea if it is true.Oct 10, 2018 10:42amCurt DoolittleAFAIK, the ANI’s were defeated by the IE’s, and imposed the caste system. This looks like the genetic record as well.Oct 10, 2018 1:46pmCurt DoolittleOver time IE-ANI, interbred with ASI (Dravidians), producing the three indias: north, mixed, south.Oct 10, 2018 1:46pmJanderson Rex@[503912481:2048:Jayant Bhandari] The genetic data really supports this.

Suggest reading David Reich’s Who We Are and How We Got Here.

Essentially the Indians have lived side by side for thousands of years and done very very little inbreeding. It’s remarkableOct 11, 2018 1:34pmJanderson RexKarlin’s article on India is great

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-puzzle-of-indian-iq-a-country-of-gypsies-and-jews/Oct 11, 2018 1:34pm

Igor Rogov

—-“When two political parties are not concerned with governance, but only with defeating one another, Left has all the advantages, with habitual lies and propaganda from the rich arsenal of Soviet Union, China and utopian fantasies of academics and Fabian club members. Right still clings to old notions of righteousness and integrity, moreover, it still tries to deal with political reality, rather than fantastic imagery. Which is both limiting and boring for the masses. There is no grand vision of Right world, attractive and wonderous.”—

(brilliant, correct, but also dependent upon democracy and the absence of ethnocentrism. Restore ethnocentrism and eliminate democracy, and it’s no longer necessary to face these problems.)