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  • By Stephen Dinan – The Washington Times – Monday, September 24, 2018 Professors

    By Stephen Dinan – The Washington Times – Monday, September 24, 2018

    Professors at Yale University have roiled the immigration debate with a new study calculating there are between 16 million and 30 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. — as much as three times more than most demographers figure.

    The professors’ model looked at estimates of how many people came illegally, and how many people likely left, and concluded there are a lot more people who arrived than the 11 million suggested by traditional estimates. The model says the most likely figure is double that, at about 22 million.

    If true, the numbers would mean U.S. officials have done a poorer job of catching illegal immigrants than imagined, and that one out of every nine people living in the U.S. is here illegally.

    “Policy debates about the amount of resources to devote to this issue, and the merits of alternative policies, including deportation, amnesty, and border control, depend critically on estimates of the number of undocumented immigrants in the U.S., which sets the scale of the issue,” said the academics, Professors Jonathan S. Feinstein and Edward H. Kaplan and postdoctoral associate Mohammad Fazel-Zarandi, all at the Yale School of Management.

    They published their findings in PLOS ONE, an open access scholarly journal, and sparked fierce pushback from the demographers who study the issue and say the professors’ numbers are impossible.

    “We believe these new numbers represent at most an interesting academic exercise, but are ultimately greatly off-base and thus counterproductive to the public’s very real need to understand the true scope of illegal immigration and how best to address it,” analysts at the Migration Policy Institute, who were asked to do a peer review of the study, said in their response.

    The number of people in the country illegally has always been a touchy question, and is perhaps even more freighted now under President Trump.

    During the 2016 campaign Mr. Trump said the numbers could be as high as 30 million — drawing protests from fact-checkers who cited the traditional demographers.

    A 2005 report by analysts at Bear Stearns concluded there were 20 million illegal immigrants, far outpacing the more accepted figure at the time of about 12 million.

    And President Obama’s deportation chief, former U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director Sarah Saldana, once testified to Congress that the number could be 15 million.

    The government does do its own estimates, but they are sporadic and lag far behind.

    The most recent study by Homeland Security was released in July 2017 and dated back to Census Bureau numbers from January 2014, or more than four-and-a-half years ago. That study put the unauthorized population at 12.1 million.

    They and most other demographers use what’s known as the “residual method” for figuring the unauthorized population. The general idea is to take the total number of people who claim to be foreign-born in Census Bureau survey data, then subtract the number of people who are in the country legally. The difference is deemed to be those here without permission.

    Each organization has its own variation for adjusting those numbers for census undercounts and other caveats, but they show illegal immigration peaked at about 12 million a decade ago, and now rests somewhere near 11 million.

    The Yale professors, though, said there’s a major problem with the survey-based methods.

    “One must locate undocumented immigrants, and once located subjects must truthfully report they were foreign born,” Mr. Kaplan told The Washington Times in an email. “Obviously undocumented immigrants do not wish to be found, nor is it in their interest to reveal their place of birth.”

    He said there are tens of millions of people who fall into the category of declining to answer the surveys, and he said he and his fellow professors took a different approach.

    They decided to look at the number of illegal immigrants they figured arrived over the years, either jumping the border or arriving legally but overstaying their visas. They then looked at those who were deported, went back home on their own, died or otherwise left the unauthorized population.

    Running the model one million times, they came up with a conservative estimate of 16.7 million unauthorized migrants, up to 29.5 million. They figured 22.1 million was the mean.

    “The results of our analysis are clear: The number of undocumented immigrants in the United States is estimated to be substantially larger than has been appreciated at least in widely accepted previous estimates,” they concluded.

    Robert Warren, a demographer at the Center for Migration Studies, a New York-based think tank, said the professors’ study didn’t take into account the circular nature of migration particularly late in the last decade, when it was common for illegal immigrants from Mexico to come work in the U.S. for a short time, go back home, then return for a future work season and repeat the cycle.

    “Their mechanism gets the immigrants in here, but their way of getting out is flawed. They don’t take into account of enough of this short-term migration of Mexicans,” said Mr. Warren, who spent more than three decades working at the Census Bureau and then for the former Immigration and Naturalization Service.

    Mr. Warren said the professors could have done basic demographic checks to realize they were so far off a realistic count.

    “The policy implications are so important that they should have done that,” he said.

    The demographers at MPI called the professors’ study a “thought experiment from a team of academics who specialize in management studies.”

    And Steven A. Camarota, a demographer at the D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies, said there are data points such as birth, death and school records that can be used to check the Census-based figures.

    If there were millions of uncounted illegal immigrant women of child-bearing age, there should be hundreds of thousands more births showing up in hospital records — but there aren’t.

    Mr. Camarota said the numbers don’t match up exactly, and there will always be some margin of error, but it’s nothing like the massive factor of two that the professors calculated.

    He also said there have been real-world tests, including the 1986 amnesty which, despite massive fraud, generally produced the same legalization levels as would have been predicted from Census bureau data.

    “None of that means that 11 or 12 million estimate is rock solid. It could be off. Maybe there are an extra million, maybe there are 2 million. There’s a margin of error around that number. But nearly 17 million?” he said.

    He added: “When they came up with this number they should have stepped back and said we’ve got a problem, it doesn’t pass the kind of prima facie approach of what seems possible.”

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    Source date (UTC): 2018-09-25 20:26:00 UTC

  • ALL: CURT BLOCKED FOR POST ON FEMININE MIND REGARDLESS OF PHYSICAL GENDER Reques

    ALL: CURT BLOCKED FOR POST ON FEMININE MIND REGARDLESS OF PHYSICAL GENDER

    Requested Review. This is the kind of thing that demonstrates the tolerance for anti white male speech but intolerance for any defense.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-09-25 12:57:00 UTC

  • ON PILPUL AND CRITIQUE FOR NEWBIES

    https://propertarianism.com/2016/03/08/the-athenian-art-of-truth-vs-jerusalems-art-of-lying/BASICS ON PILPUL AND CRITIQUE FOR NEWBIES


    Source date (UTC): 2018-09-25 12:47:00 UTC

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    September 25th, 2018 12:47 PM BASICS ON PILPUL AND CRITIQUE FOR NEWBIES

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    September 25th, 2018 12:47 PM BASICS ON PILPUL AND CRITIQUE FOR NEWBIES

  • Positions: What I Do Here

    September 25th, 2018 12:22 PM A Reminder to New Friends and Followers

    Controversial Philosophy in Public

    [I] write controversial philosophy. If it was not controversial it would not be revolutionary. And I embrace controversy as good marketing, and the good conduct of argumentative research.

    Yes I’m Controversial And Here is Why If my work is offensive, it means the person offended is a thief. That may seem an outrageous claim, but it will survive all criticisms. Truth is often painful. I ADVANCE CLASSISM (EUGENICS) NOT RACISM I don’t do racism, I do classism (eugenics). I’m for as diverse a planet of tribes as possible. And my understanding is that the differences between the races are almost entirely the product of differences in rates of reproduction of the lower classes. *** http://www.propertarianism.com/en_US/?s=racism I ADVANCE NATIONALISM I don’t to statism I do nationalism. I ADVANCE NOMOCRACY I don’t do anarchy, I do nomocracy (rule of law) under Natural Law, where my concept of natural law is not “fuzzy” but thoroughly articulated. *** http://www.propertarianism.com/en_US/?s=nomocracy I ADVANCE COMPATIBILISM We are not equal we are however, compatible, in many dimensions of perception and thought as well as labor. In fact, is our difference in sense, perception, valuation, cognition, and negotiation that makes our division of labor not only possible but so phenomenally rewarding.  We are compatible through VOLUNTARY COOPERATION AND EXCHANGE, meaning – in markets. And only in markets. I ADVANCE MARKET GOVERNMENT I don’t do escape from the commons, I do market government for the construction of commons by exchange. I call it Perfect Government or Parasite Proof Government. *** http://www.propertarianism.com/en_US/?s=market+government MY PROCESS: EXHAUSTIVE FALSIFICATION I work by aggressively attacking ideas to see if they can survive. This includes attacking cherished myths, traditions, and institutions, and all the values that accompany them. Observing this process can easily offend you. THE UNIQUENESS OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION That said, I have explained the uniqueness of western civilization in scientific terms that will be difficult or impossible to overthrow. RECENT WORK

    • In 2017, I worked on Agency (winter and early spring), Religion(thru June),
    • From May to August ’17 I was trying to create another complete draft of my book, but was stuck on Dimensional Grammar. And so I worked on Dimensional Grammar(from august to november).
    • From december to march 2018 I worked on software because grammars exhausted me. It is one of my most important insights that will get the least attention in the present.
    • From April to Fall  18 worked on getting the first book in final (edited) form. From June through august on the first hundred pages or so (the formal part) and from late august October on sketch of constitution.
    • From Late Fall on Revolution.
    • From December to January on Education Website and Cirriculum
    • From February through August on courseware and learning how to do it reasonably well.
    • (I”ll try to revise this now and then as I make progress)

    THE GOAL IS REVOLUTION My goal is to create a revolution and restoration of the constitution to one of Natural Law, and one that overthrows the Century of Lies and Mysticism (20th century). But moral men need more than just revolutionary sentiment. They need:

    1) Moral Authority : We have been lied to, our civilization destroyed, our culture intentionally undermined, and our kin and relations the subject of a slow constant conquest and genocide.

    2) A Solution : An alternative set of institutions that are capable of intertemporal persistence across many generations.

    3) A Plan of Transition : the means by which to convert from the current state to the new state so that individuals and groups can envision that transition rather than fear the uncertainty of it.

    4) A Method Of Revolution : The methods by which we raise the cost of the status quo until our solution is preferable to the current chaos. My work, my “Book”, is an attempt to provide moral authority, A solution, A Plan of Transition, and a Method of Revolution. Curt Doolittle The Propertarian Institute Kiev, Ukraine.

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  • RT @Outsideness: “We need to talk about …” means “… any sane person will ign

    RT @Outsideness: “We need to talk about …” means “… any sane person will ignore this.”


    Source date (UTC): 2018-09-24 02:48:06 UTC

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