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original tweet: https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1070517978574147584Dax RaynerI really want this to happenDec 6, 2018, 7:43 PMMax CantuYou have to pay a dollarDec 6, 2018, 7:44 PMGoss HumeOk, this is epic.Dec 6, 2018, 7:45 PMChristopher M MatthewsHow does Moly post this, but also post these? I’m very glad I never gave him my shekels.Dec 6, 2018, 7:46 PMChristopher M MatthewsDec 6, 2018, 7:46 PMZach FergusonDo it Curt!Dec 6, 2018, 7:47 PMJustin OdiognChristopher, because IQ isn’t everything.

Neanderthals had a higher IQ than our ancestors, but they simply got outbred.Dec 6, 2018, 7:47 PMThomas Tischhauserlooking forwardDec 6, 2018, 7:48 PMPatrick NagleHe won’t do it.Dec 6, 2018, 7:49 PMNoel FritschAlmost went to see his talk today in DC… Decided against.Dec 6, 2018, 7:50 PMDalton LaskowskiI want this to happen very badlyDec 6, 2018, 7:50 PMDalton LaskowskiBut he won’tDec 6, 2018, 7:50 PMDalton LaskowskiHe’s a gate keeper! That’s why.Dec 6, 2018, 7:51 PMJanderson RexHe’s at the mercy of YTDec 6, 2018, 7:52 PMKitty AmadaDalton Laskowski totally. He is lame. I will post good video below and how much of a douche he is.Dec 6, 2018, 7:53 PMRandall DangerI thought you didn’t debate people on the right because you don’t want to make them look stupid?Dec 6, 2018, 7:54 PMKitty AmadaA long ass podcast on Molyneux. Super recommended though. 3 different YT creators outting Molyneux.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVKcSCwLGO0&t=7655sDec 6, 2018, 7:55 PMScott ClaremontEveryone is sophist until curt comes into thier livesDec 6, 2018, 8:00 PMAvialae HortonDec 6, 2018, 8:06 PMCroib MagaPleeeeeeaaaaasseDec 6, 2018, 8:07 PMCroib MagaStefan doesn’t really claim to be on the rightDec 6, 2018, 8:08 PMCroib MagaIve always had a suspicion that this kind of rhetoric is with a wink and a nudge out of Stefan.Dec 6, 2018, 8:09 PMRandall DangerI think the question was specifically about Stefan though when he said that. I’m pretty sure it was during the JF interviewDec 6, 2018, 8:09 PMTyler StandenLink the tweet so we can amplify itDec 6, 2018, 8:09 PMCroib MagaJF?Dec 6, 2018, 8:10 PMDalton LaskowskiActually dude I like the guy but he’s intellectually dishonest so I’ll call him a gate keeperDec 6, 2018, 8:12 PMRandall DangerThis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2jHmsdpSQgDec 6, 2018, 8:15 PMStefan GriffithCroib Maga JF Gariépy

https://youtu.be/mBWemkWfhT0Dec 6, 2018, 8:16 PMColin HigginsAvialae Horton Moly reduces everything to IQ. That isn’t sufficient. The Chinese and Japanese might have higher average IQs, and never developed algebra, calculus, physics, optics, etc. Their philosophies and political systems were primitive, and even their music was centuries behind the west. Likewise, a high IQ doesn’t guarantee a person acts ethically.Dec 6, 2018, 8:19 PMKitty AmadaDitto. I like him but he is very suspect. Miles Mathis (also suspect) has outed him as being part of the peerage.Dec 6, 2018, 8:20 PMJennifer DeanHELL YEAH lolDec 6, 2018, 8:20 PMCroib MagaOh yeah, I started the Stef oneDec 6, 2018, 8:21 PMJoshua SkeensColin Higgins Molyneux has an 11 year history of discussing how early childhood experience influence outcomes and outlook on life.

Claiming he’s a reductionist is projectionDec 6, 2018, 8:27 PMJoshua SkeensIt’d be qualityDec 6, 2018, 8:28 PMColin HigginsJoshua Skeens I don’t disagree that early childhood experience influences outcome, but he takes that and IQ too farDec 6, 2018, 8:29 PMChristopher Hall“I hear the drums of war again!”Dec 6, 2018, 8:29 PMCroib MagaAt best you could argue he overemphasizes IQ, but even that falls a little flat when you look at how much he discusses things like family dynamics.Dec 6, 2018, 8:30 PMJennifer DeanMoly doesn’t understand autism and he denies the existence of ADHD, both of which make a lot of high iq people twice exceptionalDec 6, 2018, 8:30 PMJoshua SkeensAhhh now he’s taking that AND IQ too far.

So let’s see, we’ve got a discussion on the single biggest predictor of longterm life success (IQ) and single biggest predictor of dysfunction (single motherhood).

Both of these are ignored and hellishly reacted to when brought into the public discourse; there is no “going too far”.Dec 6, 2018, 8:32 PMJennifer DeanHe is great with explaining family and interpersonal dynamics. But always falls back on saying that people with high iqs don’t make bad life decisions such as addiction.Dec 6, 2018, 8:32 PMJoshua SkeensZack Moses “There isn’t a single aspect of personality not touched by genetics”Dec 6, 2018, 8:32 PMMarty Le Renard The moral leap that needs to be made is that no race is superior/inferior in value. Just like the leap to individual sovereignty gave each individual equal value. Not competence. Not guaranteed outcomes. But an equal right to exist unmolested in their homeland. Ethnic sovereignty.Dec 6, 2018, 8:33 PMColin HigginsJoshua Skeens not going too far for any PC reason. There are many instances of impoverished people with lower than average IQs living in other parts of the world who do not behave like wild animals. Their culture, values, and social dynamics dampen their primal instincts.Dec 6, 2018, 8:35 PMJoshua SkeensIf only someone had for multiple decades studied how children were inculcated with cultural ideals, practices, and behaviors, then made this information public (and explained it in layman’s terms for all).Dec 6, 2018, 8:37 PMGus KeisenhowersHe won’tDec 6, 2018, 8:50 PMGus KeisenhowersMolly picks the weakest opponents he can findDec 6, 2018, 8:51 PMJennifer DeanHe likes to debate with flat earthers.lolDec 6, 2018, 8:52 PMCurt Doolittlewhy?Dec 6, 2018, 8:54 PMGus KeisenhowersCurt Doolittle

Because if he knows anything about you and has followed you at all, he will know you’re smarter than him and he doesn’t debate people who are smarter than him.Dec 6, 2018, 8:55 PMCurt Doolittlehttps://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1070517978574147584Dec 6, 2018, 8:56 PMJennifer DeanAnd he won’t debate the necessity of violent forceDec 6, 2018, 8:57 PMLuke LemmonHe might do it. Haha why so cynical? He’s always going on about the importance of free speech and debate. It’s worth a shot.Dec 6, 2018, 9:00 PMJoe Redtreesuperiority and inferiority are contextual. the closest thing to an objective measure would be darwinian survival.

by this measure we are inferior to all other groups, because our group actively works against its continued survival.Dec 6, 2018, 9:14 PMJosh NorrisColin Higgins Saying Molyneux reduces everything to IQ when he has discussed your exact scenario as a counter to IQ being the sole arbiter of ability is kind of odd.Dec 6, 2018, 9:14 PMColin HigginsJosh Norris you might be more familiar with his IQ theory than I amDec 6, 2018, 9:15 PMEthan Tricehe’d be able to defend it by saying that he’s under no obligation to associate with anyone. He only interacts with alt light folks.Dec 6, 2018, 9:16 PMJosh NorrisColin Higgins He uses the phrase “strongly correlated with outcome” to describe IQs effects in order to make sure people don’t misconstrue his beliefs with IQ determinismDec 6, 2018, 9:17 PMTrevor ValescuHe used to be more explicit and then you saw his view count drop like a rocket when people got wind.Dec 6, 2018, 9:23 PMLuke LemmonEthan Trice alt light? 🤔Dec 6, 2018, 9:33 PMSaul SilverLuís F. Rodrigues can you link the videos where he explains about the difference in east and west Africans?Dec 6, 2018, 9:39 PMDylan NewmanHe also doesn’t actually believe what he tweeted.Dec 6, 2018, 9:41 PMCroib Maga^ in every single goddamn discussion of his about IQDec 6, 2018, 9:42 PMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon oops. *alt lite*. Like Lauren Southern, tommy robinson, Milo, etc, I suppose Jordan Peterson is also an alt-lite figure.Dec 6, 2018, 9:49 PMEthan Tricein some cases, obviously controlled opposition. “See, here are the edgy and ‘evil’ people who we’ll talk to and who you’ll get beaten up for supporting, but who we’ll link you to their websites so you can support them and not look elsewhere for opinions from even more ‘evil’ people” https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/opinion/intellectual-dark-web.htmlDec 6, 2018, 9:51 PMJames Gressett.Dec 6, 2018, 9:51 PMJoshua SkeensCroib Maga The degree to which people complain about molyneux is inversely correlated with how often they watch him.Dec 6, 2018, 10:13 PMLuke LemmonAlt lite sounds like normal conservative journalists. Except for maybe Milo. Jordan Peterson isn’t on the right. His opposition says he’s a right wing propogandist and like hitler but he isn’t. Jordan has said countless times that he’s more left leaning. He even supported the socialists party in Canada when he was young and is currently working with the Democrats to bring the lefts major party back from the radical left’s insanity.Dec 6, 2018, 10:46 PMLuke LemmonI support a lot of these people. I even supported Milo coming to my school simply cause I have a sad need for Drama and there was a lot of mentally ill people screaming on campus because of a gay with a black guy fetish who’s also a Jewish Catholic. 😂Dec 6, 2018, 10:48 PMLuke LemmonEthan Trice 18 to 25 year olds losing their minds 😂Dec 6, 2018, 10:49 PMAlain DwightThe blueprint for how any people can assert and maintain sovereignty, commons, ert. is more compelling than imagined equality, anyway. Once one understands it, there’s no motive to lie and place obstacles in the way of good outcomes.Dec 6, 2018, 11:01 PMArt RoddamCurt will, Stefan will not.Dec 6, 2018, 11:05 PMDalton LaskowskiDon’t take it personal man, moly is a good stepping stone but he’s consistently dishonest.

Ever watch his debate with cultured thug?Dec 6, 2018, 11:05 PMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon right, Jordan is actually left-leaning but he’s characterized as a “right-wing extremist” and given a platform. The promotion of figures like this as “far right” is to control the overton window. Essentially, you get the overton window of the left being ethnocentric non-whites and communists like Ocasio Cortez and then the “far-right” consists of left-leaning Jordan Peterson, lolbertarian Blair White, “conservative” Milo, etc.Dec 6, 2018, 11:12 PMJennifer DeanWell said. This seems to be the fatal flaw in Western civilization.Dec 6, 2018, 11:13 PMJennifer DeanPay no attention to those enthnocentric right wingers behind the curtain. They are all literally Hitler. Here’s a nice cup of individualism before beddytime. Zzzzzzzz Be sure to make your bed when you get up in the morning.Dec 6, 2018, 11:16 PMJennifer DeanEthnocentrism is only for dindus.Dec 6, 2018, 11:17 PMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon anyone interviewed by NYT or propped up by the big 6 media companies likely doesn’t have a unique or controversial (Right Wing) idea in his headDec 6, 2018, 11:17 PMLuke LemmonJennifer Dean what? Are you just talking about how twisted the media is?Dec 6, 2018, 11:20 PMLuke LemmonEthan Trice what do you mean? What does the NYT and the 6 big media companies have to do with the ideas of an individual?Dec 6, 2018, 11:21 PMJennifer DeanLuke Lemmon I’m talking about how JBP, Moly, etc. function as gatekeepers.Dec 6, 2018, 11:26 PMLuke LemmonJennifer Dean gatekeepers to what?Dec 6, 2018, 11:27 PMJennifer DeanTo the right wing.Dec 6, 2018, 11:28 PMLuke LemmonHmm well from what I understand JBP actually brings people towards the center from both the left and the right. The lectures I’ve watched and have been to always have people of all kinds attending. Not right wingers.Dec 6, 2018, 11:34 PMLuke LemmonMaybe Molly is more of a gatekeeper or whateverDec 6, 2018, 11:34 PMJared NeavesDylan Newman thatDec 6, 2018, 11:34 PMCurt Doolittle^ That doesnt mean what you think it means…Dec 6, 2018, 11:39 PMJoshua Skeens^Fair, Whiner and Fan (or simply consumer) don’t typically overlap when it comes to public personas.Dec 6, 2018, 11:50 PMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon 85% of the media is owned by 6 companies.

There’s collusion of the elite working together to control the overton window and it’s fairly apparent. You’ll have news sources creepily saying the same stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb3KD6DfSI Hell, you even have the national review, presumably a “far-right” news source, promoting the death of white people “The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. ” http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432796/working-class-whites-have-moral-responsibilities-defense-kevin-williamson (essentially saying “it’s good for everyone else to do identity politics, but national review readers should stay individualistic JBP’s primary appeal is to the same type of people who would be drawn to right wing ideology (he’s said in interviews that he’s attempting to keep people from the real right-wing by focusing on hyper-individualism).Dec 7, 2018, 12:10 AMEthan TriceHere’s a good example of elite organizations working against American interests. Note, for all the talk of “Russian Collusion” today, AIPAC has never gotten in trouble for essentially being an arm of the Israeli government directly influencing American politics and elections.”. Israel’s then-Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir would not budge, and instead gave the green light to AIPAC to send its members to Capitol Hill to shore up congressional support. ” : https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-george-h-w-bush-and-his-roller-coaster-relationship-with-american-jews-and-israel-1.6028592Dec 7, 2018, 12:12 AMEthan TriceColin Higgins saying it’s just IQ is reductionist, but it’s the single best indicator of future success. There’s more at play, certainly (slightly less reductionist would be to say high trust society+high IQ+some individualism =western civ) but IQ is readily quantifiable so it’s usedDec 7, 2018, 12:16 AMLuke LemmonJennifer Dean yeah I know about the 6 major companies that own all the media. I’m more interested in the 15% that isn’t owned by tbem. JBP is apart of that.Dec 7, 2018, 12:26 AMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon he’s not *owned* by them, but he is owned by them. I remember reading about how how one of the defenses of Castro not being a communist early on was because he didn’t have an official membership in a communist organization like the comintern. If you quack like a duck and look like a duck, you’re probably a duckDec 7, 2018, 12:51 AMChristopher IvančićHe kind of broke his own argument when he said that the higher IQ of Ashkenazis made them superior to everyone else.Dec 7, 2018, 12:57 AMJames Ragsdalehttps://theconversation.com/racism-is-real-race-is-not-a-philosophers-perspective-82504Dec 7, 2018, 1:11 AMJames Ragsdalehttps://ndpr.nd.edu/news/the-philosophy-of-race/Dec 7, 2018, 1:17 AMJames Ragsdalehttps://plato.stanford.edu/entries/race/Dec 7, 2018, 1:18 AMJames Ragsdalehttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/phc3.12468Dec 7, 2018, 1:19 AMLuke LemmonHow is Jordan B Peterson owned by the 6 major companies? And how aren’t you?Dec 7, 2018, 1:19 AMJames Ragsdalehttp://www.mit.edu/~shaslang/rprg/MallonRNNMS.pdfDec 7, 2018, 1:21 AMPatrick NagleYou guys realize the entire debate would be Stefan insisting the claim he made was only from a Darwinian view point, that species aren’t better or worse just more suited to the biome they evolved in. If he had to make a case against anything else he knows he would fail miserably. That’s why he won’t do it, the entire tweet was an attempt to remain marketable/palatable.Dec 7, 2018, 1:39 AMMatthew MorrisonColin Higgins They have higher average IQ’s that tend to cluster around the mean thus fewer idiots but also fewer geniuses.Dec 7, 2018, 1:55 AMBenjamin IrelandFinally a topic to debate? I admit I’m not terribly familiar with your work (yet), but I think you and Molyneux have disagreements on the usefulness of violence (correct me if I’m wrong).Dec 7, 2018, 3:51 AMArno KælandColin Higgins although I agree with your position, your argumentation assumes that IQ differences in groups are static. It is possible that comparative intelligence of Europeans was higher in periods of scientific breakthrough – in fact, I expect this was likely the case.Dec 7, 2018, 4:05 AMKyle KalutkiewiczDoes Molyneux still do the Sunday call in show? If so, why not just call in?Dec 7, 2018, 6:36 AMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon I don’t know how much more explicit I could have been. If you’re spewing the same narrative, you may not be *owned* by someone but you’re still part of the same problem. Also, the “how aren’t you” is really silly for 2 reasons: 1) I’m not a media/public figure and 2) I don’t spew that sort of ideologyDec 7, 2018, 7:44 AMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon getting the positive coverage and a bloody photo shoot from the NYT is pretty good evidence that yea, you’re not saying anything they don’t want you to say (which, to be as explicit as possible, is exactly what happened for that NYT article I linked)Dec 7, 2018, 7:45 AMJames KnowlesIf by science he means the science of teaching 70 iq people to dig ditches and sweep floors, and to have only one kid per couple versus 100+ iq people advancing science, creating traditional art and having 5 kids per family. Then yes, lol.Dec 7, 2018, 8:46 AMCurt DoolittleExactly why it requires counter-signaling.Dec 7, 2018, 8:49 AMDann HopkinsPolitical marketing is just intellectual fraud with extra steps, by being palatable he is robbing the reader of the truthDec 7, 2018, 9:02 AMDann HopkinsNot until the abrahamists got on the scene, unmolested western civilization does not have this fatal flawDec 7, 2018, 9:03 AMJennifer DeanFlaws are exploited by opportunists, otherwise if there was no flaw western civ would still be unmolested.Dec 7, 2018, 9:23 AMLuke LemmonEthan Trice What same “ideology” is Jordan spewing that the 6 major media companies promote?

Yeah you’re a consumer on facebook. So “how aren’t you?” Isn’t actually that silly.Dec 7, 2018, 9:35 AMLuke LemmonHere in the USA people have the freedom of association. All because he’s finally gotten positive reviews despite every other time he hasn’t and a photoshoot. Doesn’t mean he’s in bed with them. Don’t be silly. All it means is NYT doesn’t want to go through the shit show that other magazines have gone through that have tried to “catch” Jordan red handed.Dec 7, 2018, 9:40 AMColin HigginsYou are correct in that IQ is not static. I would go further and say that IQ is insufficient. Not because it has no empirical validity, or that as a technique, its conclusions are sometimes troublesome, but that it is an artifact of the cognitive and social sciences. Moly putting all his eggs in the IQ basket is like Einstein holding on to cosmology in the face of the emerging quantum theory and proclaiming “God does not throw dice!”. For Stefan, IQ and cognitive science, along with some variation of Adlarian psychology are First Principles from which his arguments emerge. It is good that he has principles, but these principles should be challenged and criticized when necessary.Dec 7, 2018, 10:33 AMArno KælandColin Higgins There is evidence to suggest that average IQs (where East Asians are high) is the reason for scientific success but, rather, distributions. I have seen data that shows fatter bell curve tails amongst Europeans compared with East Asians. A similar phenomena is observed between men and women.

It ought to come as little surprise that if once group has significantly fatter tails (despite lower averages) then it is likely to result in more invention and innovation within their societies.

I agree with you that considering IQ as foundational is problematic.

My personal gut feeling is that non-conformity coupled with specialization holds some explanatory power for Western advancement.Dec 7, 2018, 11:15 AMTrevor ValescuIf it does happen, you have to make him double down and face off against Either Erik Striker, Mike, Sven, or Alex.Dec 7, 2018, 11:31 AMJoe RedtreeJennifer Dean this is like blaming your red blood cells after you catch the aids virusDec 7, 2018, 11:46 AMDann Hopkinsyeah, better to focus on removing flaws we can identify than posturing that flaws will exist and be exploited no matter what so we are doomed to failDec 7, 2018, 11:53 AMJoe RedtreeDann Hopkins people keep trying to blame stuff “the problem was the reformation” or “the problem was the enlightenment”

i propose there is no system that will work with these destructive elements in it. i might even go further ans say we as a people could make almost any given political system work, left to our own devices.Dec 7, 2018, 11:56 AMDann HopkinsThe “nothing is perfect so dont even try” attitude is just poisonDec 7, 2018, 11:58 AMJoe RedtreeDann Hopkins this type of thinking is known as the “nirvana fallacy”Dec 7, 2018, 11:59 AMJennifer DeanDann Hopkins “yeah, better to focus on removing flaws we can identify than posturing that flaws will exist and be exploited no matter what so we are doomed to fail” Who said that we are doomed to fail?Dec 7, 2018, 11:59 AMDann HopkinsThe strength of cooperation (and by extension allowing religious freedom) is what built rome and was also what doomed them since they allowed abrahamism to take route because of it, but that doesn’t mean it is a flaw, it means that parasites exist – we just need to be vigilant

Its like a computer with out of date spyware definitions, you dont say that your computer is flawed because it can connect to the internet and the internet can give you viruses, it is just an arms race between the spyware and the definitions, between the aristocracy and the parasites, the same can even be said of bacteria and your immune systemDec 7, 2018, 12:04 PMJennifer DeanDann Hopkins out of date spyware definitions = flawDec 7, 2018, 12:06 PMCurt DoolittleAaron Kahland yep. more homogenous population with narrower distribution.Dec 7, 2018, 12:06 PMCurt DoolittleOUTLYING QUESTION: is it also because by increasing neoteny and decreasing dimorphism, east asians produced the narrower distribution of females, rather than the wider distribution of males?Dec 7, 2018, 12:07 PMDann HopkinsYou don’t understand the metaphorDec 7, 2018, 12:07 PMJennifer DeanI don’t need the metaphorDec 7, 2018, 12:08 PMJoe RedtreeJennifer Dean i agree with you that allowing certain elements to exist is a fatal flawDec 7, 2018, 12:10 PMDann HopkinsCooperation leads to good civilizations but can open them up to parasites, but without the cooperation the civilization would not exist in the first place, so no, not a flaw

“Chewing food builds plaque, better knock out all my teeth”Dec 7, 2018, 12:16 PMJoe Redtreeone fekking dollah?Dec 7, 2018, 12:17 PMDann HopkinsAlso out of date spyware definitions = user error, not a flaw with the systemDec 7, 2018, 12:20 PMDann HopkinsIf the west is a computer, remove the viruses (abrahamism, postmodernism, marxism etc) and it will perform better, but the computer isn’t broken for having been infected, if you get what I mean?Dec 7, 2018, 12:28 PMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon I honestly don’t know how to respond to being accused of being part of the media. that’s like if you were to call me a Frenchman or a rooster. It’s simply not true: I don’t have a platform. Regarding your second comment, we do not have freedom of association in America. If you think we do have that, then I’ve got some news for you about the boy scouts, the ’64 civil rights act, diversity quotas, etc.Dec 7, 2018, 12:32 PMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon also, I get you may be a bit young, but surely you can’t be unaware of the whole “deplatforming” phenomenon. The argument goes that to only truly oppose something is to take away their platform. While that’s obviously absurd, the inverse (by promoting someone you at least support them getting more exposure) is clearly trueDec 7, 2018, 12:34 PMCurt Doolittleanalogies convey meaning but they are not methods of argument, but methods of avoiding argument. If you cannot make an operational argument then you demonstrate that you lack competency and knowledge to opine upon the subject.Dec 7, 2018, 12:36 PMJoe RedtreeCurt Doolittle i think part of the problem is we can’t say what we really mean because of imposed speech limitations online.Dec 7, 2018, 12:37 PMCurt DoolittleMeaning > Falsification > Reality (Correspondence, consistency, identity, coherence, existential possibility, completeness, full accounting) > Code ;)Dec 7, 2018, 12:37 PMCurt DoolittleWell then CODE Is a good thing to speak in. ;)Dec 7, 2018, 12:37 PMDann HopkinsYeah you can get away with it but I live in the UK thinly veiled metaphors are about as edgy as I can be without a knock on the door from thought policeDec 7, 2018, 12:38 PMJoe RedtreeCurt Doolittle this is a very goyish take on semiotics.Dec 7, 2018, 12:44 PMCurt DoolittleYes, it is a very GOY-ish application of the GOY-ish law of testimony to the not-GOY-ish art of lying.Dec 7, 2018, 12:46 PMJoe RedtreeCurt Doolittle it’s like the anti-derrida.Dec 7, 2018, 12:48 PMJennifer DeanDann Hopkins viruses, malware etc. are not the flaw. The flaw is a security vulnerability that can be exploited to let in a virus. You can remove the viruses, but the security vulnerabilities still have to be fixed. Sometimes the OS needs a major upgrade. Sometimes you have to reinstall the OS. Sometimes you can just get better results from a different OS. Sometimes infected computers are not recoverable. We still have time, but not much. We are dealing with a rootkit.Dec 7, 2018, 12:52 PMDann HopkinsI used a metaphor to explain meaning, not argue, yes the flaw exists but it is also a strength, a meritocracy is fantastically productive but also easy pickings for parasitic group strategy

I’m not saying anybody was wrong so arguing wasnt a goal, just that it is a double edged sword, and using metaphor to make what I mean easier to understandDec 7, 2018, 12:52 PMJennifer DeanThe computer is property, land, territory. Civilization, government, law is the operating system.Dec 7, 2018, 12:59 PMDann HopkinsJennifer Dean Thats literally what I’m saying, the computer isn’t at fault, the system we created worked

The operating system is infected with abrahamism.exeDec 7, 2018, 1:03 PMJennifer DeanDann Hopkins the system we created has big security vulnerabilitiesDec 7, 2018, 1:10 PMJennifer DeanIf you think about how most PCs commonly get infected (((porn))) this isn’t even an analogy anymore. It is literal reality. But to continue with that as an analogy, user error is what allows our security vulnerabilities to be exploited. And our user errors in western civ are fundamentally about sexuality.Dec 7, 2018, 1:18 PMDann HopkinsThis is where I would argue that it is due to the nature of meritocracy that such security vulnerabilities exist, and to seek the best talent will always expose you to more risk, as the more intelligent are more dangerous should they have Ill intentions

In the same way a computer with an internet connection is much more vulnerable, but also much more useful (sorry to use metaphor again)

I am all for increased security but at the moment we would do well to clean up our civilization before we start doing more work on it (new strategies)Dec 7, 2018, 1:18 PMDann HopkinsAnd Re the second comment on user error, while you have identified one of the biggest reasons for error, there are many more that have even worse implicationsDec 7, 2018, 1:31 PMJennifer DeanDann Hopkins that is a great point about meritocracy. It does increase the risk of exploitation. What negates that risk, is the ability to perceive ill intentions, to identify psychopathy, to recognize when we are being had. The fatal flaw is an inability or even unwillingness to recognize evil. It starts with naivete but works up from there to people excusing obviously bad behavior because they prefer some sort of fantasy where all people are one and all are good. And it is avoidance of the necessity of dealing with evil (expulsion, execution.)Dec 7, 2018, 1:33 PMJennifer DeanIf you study MK ultra and trauma based mind control, there is a persistent theme that they view blond, blue eyed people as being the most vulnerable to mind control.Dec 7, 2018, 1:34 PMJennifer DeanThe fundamental user errors that allow exploitation are all related to sexuality, different reproductive strategies, and sexual abuse (which increases the vulnerability to exploitation exponentially.)Dec 7, 2018, 1:40 PMDann HopkinsThe fantasy of a world without evil only works on the western world because of their christian infection and its resulting guilt economy, original sin is now white privilege, ritual worship replaced with hashtags, the political left is now a soy milk version of Christianity, and Christianity merely a symptom of the infection of abrahamism

Remove abrahamism, regain ability to perceive Ill intentionsDec 7, 2018, 1:48 PMJennifer DeanDann Hopkins how did the abrahamism get in to start with, if removing it restores the ability to recognize it?Dec 7, 2018, 1:54 PMDann HopkinsBecause back then god was still a relevant concept and the romans were allowing people religious freedom in their conquered territories

God is no longer a relevant concept, if someone can’t prove what they say, we don’t believe them, simple as thatDec 7, 2018, 2:02 PMJennifer DeanDann Hopkins “we” don’t believe them…who is we?Dec 7, 2018, 2:09 PMDann HopkinsThe uninfected members of societyDec 7, 2018, 2:11 PMJennifer DeanA small minorityDec 7, 2018, 2:11 PMDann HopkinsLike you said, its a rootkit, we don’t have much timeDec 7, 2018, 2:13 PMJohn Phillip SousaKitty Amada what’s the synopsis. Calling him out on whatDec 7, 2018, 2:43 PMKitty AmadaThat he has lied about being an entrepreneur, that he begs a little too much for money, he is a joo but pretends he really isnt. He is not a good debater – he will insult people for being stupid (see his FE debate) when he has no argument. Also very interesting….. his wife supported him in the first 2 years of their marriage because he wasnt working.Dec 7, 2018, 2:57 PMKitty AmadaMiles Mathis has outted him as being part of the peerage. On his podcasts he makes it sound as if he was very poor and is self made.Dec 7, 2018, 2:58 PMCurt Doolittle(Thanks for this kitt. And great distillation above. I don’t mind marketing. And puffing up a resume is one thing. The fact that he’s a ‘crypto’ hiding behind whiteness annoys me. I do appreciate the education that he provides that the mainstream doesn’t. I don’t expect him to be able to do both that kind of work and answer the hard questions. it’s up to others that can afford to, to answer those hard questions. My problem with him is when he counter-signals the hard questions rather than stating “that’s just not something I am able to judge”.Dec 7, 2018, 3:02 PMWilliam PierceThe reality is he’s a good gateway to the people dealing with the hard truths. But the (((fellow white))) thing is unforgivable given the circumstances.Dec 7, 2018, 3:39 PMArno KælandCurt Doolittle Perhaps the greater concentration of E. Asians around the mean is linked to higher sexual monomorphism. Would be interesting to compare with other, more dimorphic, groups.Dec 7, 2018, 5:38 PMCurt DoolittleAaron Kahland smartDec 7, 2018, 6:01 PMJoe RedtreeDann Hopkins what makes you think it isn’t already too late?Dec 7, 2018, 7:37 PMBenjamin IrelandI like Stefan, but his debate tactics are infuriating, and usually deployed against people who call into his show and aren’t very bright. I don’t think you should frame it as a debate. Doolittle and Molyneux are two of the most important active voices out there, and I’d prefer you two had a productive conversation on the topic, rather than an event where spectators are cheering for a side.Dec 7, 2018, 10:08 PMJennifer DeanThe people who call in may be brighter than they come across, but he holds court over them and puts them off kilter with his tactics. Some obviously struggle to articulate themselves, and he is smug about it and takes unnecessary one ups. With the ones who call in with personal problems, he is more than capable of being compassionate, but still catches them off guard with condescension, invalidation, or high handed moral self-righteousness. As much as I enjoy seeing him have productive conversations, and would love to see him have one with Curt, there’s a little mean streak in me that wants to see Curt put him in his place.Dec 8, 2018, 12:59 AMSebastiano Ferragamoconfident you’d destroy this guy, not confident you’ll hold back on the full suite. He’ll protect his backers, quotes will be taken out of context and in isolation. Careful.Dec 8, 2018, 8:50 AMNick DahlheimAfter the Bret Weinstein vs Molly stuff, Molly MUST show some balls and debate you, Curt DoolittleDec 9, 2018, 8:43 PMJames KnowlesImo, you would probably recruit stephan once he got a full grasp of propertarianismDec 11, 2018, 3:32 PMOK. TIME FOR MOLLY

original tweet: https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1070517978574147584

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original tweet: https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1070517978574147584Dax RaynerI really want this to happenDec 6, 2018, 7:43 PMMax CantuYou have to pay a dollarDec 6, 2018, 7:44 PMGoss HumeOk, this is epic.Dec 6, 2018, 7:45 PMChristopher M MatthewsHow does Moly post this, but also post these? I’m very glad I never gave him my shekels.Dec 6, 2018, 7:46 PMChristopher M MatthewsDec 6, 2018, 7:46 PMZach FergusonDo it Curt!Dec 6, 2018, 7:47 PMJustin OdiognChristopher, because IQ isn’t everything.

Neanderthals had a higher IQ than our ancestors, but they simply got outbred.Dec 6, 2018, 7:47 PMThomas Tischhauserlooking forwardDec 6, 2018, 7:48 PMLuís F. RodriguesHe has talked about this issue before however. He says it’s mostly related to how a people is acclimated to where they live, regarding the inferior and the superior, he mentions that there are things that every group of people does exceptionally well! The greatest sprinters are West African, the greatest long-distance runners are usually East African, and he gives some examples as to why that is the case, then you can mention chess being dominated by mostly European males, and the East Asian propensity to be able to adapt and copy western technology well, but often fail at innovation…Dec 6, 2018, 7:48 PMPatrick NagleHe won’t do it.Dec 6, 2018, 7:49 PMNoel FritschAlmost went to see his talk today in DC… Decided against.Dec 6, 2018, 7:50 PMDalton LaskowskiI want this to happen very badlyDec 6, 2018, 7:50 PMDalton LaskowskiBut he won’tDec 6, 2018, 7:50 PMDalton LaskowskiHe’s a gate keeper! That’s why.Dec 6, 2018, 7:51 PMJanderson RexHe’s at the mercy of YTDec 6, 2018, 7:52 PMLuís F. RodriguesHehehe…. “Everyone that doesnt agree with me 100% is a gatekeeper!” :DDec 6, 2018, 7:52 PMKitty AmadaDalton Laskowski totally. He is lame. I will post good video below and how much of a douche he is.Dec 6, 2018, 7:53 PMRandall DangerI thought you didn’t debate people on the right because you don’t want to make them look stupid?Dec 6, 2018, 7:54 PMKitty AmadaA long ass podcast on Molyneux. Super recommended though. 3 different YT creators outting Molyneux.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVKcSCwLGO0&t=7655sDec 6, 2018, 7:55 PMScott ClaremontEveryone is sophist until curt comes into thier livesDec 6, 2018, 8:00 PMAvialae HortonDec 6, 2018, 8:06 PMCroib MagaPleeeeeeaaaaasseDec 6, 2018, 8:07 PMCroib MagaStefan doesn’t really claim to be on the rightDec 6, 2018, 8:08 PMCroib MagaIve always had a suspicion that this kind of rhetoric is with a wink and a nudge out of Stefan.Dec 6, 2018, 8:09 PMRandall DangerI think the question was specifically about Stefan though when he said that. I’m pretty sure it was during the JF interviewDec 6, 2018, 8:09 PMTyler StandenLink the tweet so we can amplify itDec 6, 2018, 8:09 PMCroib MagaJF?Dec 6, 2018, 8:10 PMDalton LaskowskiActually dude I like the guy but he’s intellectually dishonest so I’ll call him a gate keeperDec 6, 2018, 8:12 PMRandall DangerThis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2jHmsdpSQgDec 6, 2018, 8:15 PMStefan GriffithCroib Maga JF Gariépy

https://youtu.be/mBWemkWfhT0Dec 6, 2018, 8:16 PMColin HigginsAvialae Horton Moly reduces everything to IQ. That isn’t sufficient. The Chinese and Japanese might have higher average IQs, and never developed algebra, calculus, physics, optics, etc. Their philosophies and political systems were primitive, and even their music was centuries behind the west. Likewise, a high IQ doesn’t guarantee a person acts ethically.Dec 6, 2018, 8:19 PMKitty AmadaDitto. I like him but he is very suspect. Miles Mathis (also suspect) has outed him as being part of the peerage.Dec 6, 2018, 8:20 PMJennifer DeanHELL YEAH lolDec 6, 2018, 8:20 PMCroib MagaOh yeah, I started the Stef oneDec 6, 2018, 8:21 PMLuís F. RodriguesPretty sure I’ve been intellectually dishonest as well too at some point in my life. ;)And you too!Dec 6, 2018, 8:22 PMJoshua SkeensColin Higgins Molyneux has an 11 year history of discussing how early childhood experience influence outcomes and outlook on life.

Claiming he’s a reductionist is projectionDec 6, 2018, 8:27 PMJoshua SkeensIt’d be qualityDec 6, 2018, 8:28 PMColin HigginsJoshua Skeens I don’t disagree that early childhood experience influences outcome, but he takes that and IQ too farDec 6, 2018, 8:29 PMChristopher Hall“I hear the drums of war again!”Dec 6, 2018, 8:29 PMCroib MagaAt best you could argue he overemphasizes IQ, but even that falls a little flat when you look at how much he discusses things like family dynamics.Dec 6, 2018, 8:30 PMJennifer DeanMoly doesn’t understand autism and he denies the existence of ADHD, both of which make a lot of high iq people twice exceptionalDec 6, 2018, 8:30 PMJoshua SkeensAhhh now he’s taking that AND IQ too far.

So let’s see, we’ve got a discussion on the single biggest predictor of longterm life success (IQ) and single biggest predictor of dysfunction (single motherhood).

Both of these are ignored and hellishly reacted to when brought into the public discourse; there is no “going too far”.Dec 6, 2018, 8:32 PMJennifer DeanHe is great with explaining family and interpersonal dynamics. But always falls back on saying that people with high iqs don’t make bad life decisions such as addiction.Dec 6, 2018, 8:32 PMJoshua SkeensZack Moses “There isn’t a single aspect of personality not touched by genetics”Dec 6, 2018, 8:32 PMMarty Le Renard The moral leap that needs to be made is that no race is superior/inferior in value. Just like the leap to individual sovereignty gave each individual equal value. Not competence. Not guaranteed outcomes. But an equal right to exist unmolested in their homeland. Ethnic sovereignty.Dec 6, 2018, 8:33 PMColin HigginsJoshua Skeens not going too far for any PC reason. There are many instances of impoverished people with lower than average IQs living in other parts of the world who do not behave like wild animals. Their culture, values, and social dynamics dampen their primal instincts.Dec 6, 2018, 8:35 PMJoshua SkeensIf only someone had for multiple decades studied how children were inculcated with cultural ideals, practices, and behaviors, then made this information public (and explained it in layman’s terms for all).Dec 6, 2018, 8:37 PMGus KeisenhowersHe won’tDec 6, 2018, 8:50 PMGus KeisenhowersMolly picks the weakest opponents he can findDec 6, 2018, 8:51 PMJennifer DeanHe likes to debate with flat earthers.lolDec 6, 2018, 8:52 PMCurt Doolittlewhy?Dec 6, 2018, 8:54 PMGus KeisenhowersCurt Doolittle

Because if he knows anything about you and has followed you at all, he will know you’re smarter than him and he doesn’t debate people who are smarter than him.Dec 6, 2018, 8:55 PMCurt Doolittlehttps://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1070517978574147584Dec 6, 2018, 8:56 PMJennifer DeanAnd he won’t debate the necessity of violent forceDec 6, 2018, 8:57 PMLuke LemmonHe might do it. Haha why so cynical? He’s always going on about the importance of free speech and debate. It’s worth a shot.Dec 6, 2018, 9:00 PMJoe Redtreesuperiority and inferiority are contextual. the closest thing to an objective measure would be darwinian survival.

by this measure we are inferior to all other groups, because our group actively works against its continued survival.Dec 6, 2018, 9:14 PMJosh NorrisColin Higgins Saying Molyneux reduces everything to IQ when he has discussed your exact scenario as a counter to IQ being the sole arbiter of ability is kind of odd.Dec 6, 2018, 9:14 PMColin HigginsJosh Norris you might be more familiar with his IQ theory than I amDec 6, 2018, 9:15 PMEthan Tricehe’d be able to defend it by saying that he’s under no obligation to associate with anyone. He only interacts with alt light folks.Dec 6, 2018, 9:16 PMJosh NorrisColin Higgins He uses the phrase “strongly correlated with outcome” to describe IQs effects in order to make sure people don’t misconstrue his beliefs with IQ determinismDec 6, 2018, 9:17 PMTrevor ValescuHe used to be more explicit and then you saw his view count drop like a rocket when people got wind.Dec 6, 2018, 9:23 PMLuke LemmonEthan Trice alt light? 🤔Dec 6, 2018, 9:33 PMSaul SilverLuís F. Rodrigues can you link the videos where he explains about the difference in east and west Africans?Dec 6, 2018, 9:39 PMDylan NewmanHe also doesn’t actually believe what he tweeted.Dec 6, 2018, 9:41 PMCroib Maga^ in every single goddamn discussion of his about IQDec 6, 2018, 9:42 PMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon oops. *alt lite*. Like Lauren Southern, tommy robinson, Milo, etc, I suppose Jordan Peterson is also an alt-lite figure.Dec 6, 2018, 9:49 PMEthan Tricein some cases, obviously controlled opposition. “See, here are the edgy and ‘evil’ people who we’ll talk to and who you’ll get beaten up for supporting, but who we’ll link you to their websites so you can support them and not look elsewhere for opinions from even more ‘evil’ people” https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/opinion/intellectual-dark-web.htmlDec 6, 2018, 9:51 PMJames Gressett.Dec 6, 2018, 9:51 PMJoshua SkeensCroib Maga The degree to which people complain about molyneux is inversely correlated with how often they watch him.Dec 6, 2018, 10:13 PMLuís F. RodriguesSaul Silver Unlikely. I have seen plenty of them to KNOW exactly which. But you merely need to check the Olympic games to confirm it… XDDec 6, 2018, 10:20 PMFilipe AbrantesGus Keisenhowers Like Richard Spencer.Dec 6, 2018, 10:24 PMLuke LemmonAlt lite sounds like normal conservative journalists. Except for maybe Milo. Jordan Peterson isn’t on the right. His opposition says he’s a right wing propogandist and like hitler but he isn’t. Jordan has said countless times that he’s more left leaning. He even supported the socialists party in Canada when he was young and is currently working with the Democrats to bring the lefts major party back from the radical left’s insanity.Dec 6, 2018, 10:46 PMLuke LemmonI support a lot of these people. I even supported Milo coming to my school simply cause I have a sad need for Drama and there was a lot of mentally ill people screaming on campus because of a gay with a black guy fetish who’s also a Jewish Catholic. 😂Dec 6, 2018, 10:48 PMLuke LemmonEthan Trice 18 to 25 year olds losing their minds 😂Dec 6, 2018, 10:49 PMAlain DwightThe blueprint for how any people can assert and maintain sovereignty, commons, ert. is more compelling than imagined equality, anyway. Once one understands it, there’s no motive to lie and place obstacles in the way of good outcomes.Dec 6, 2018, 11:01 PMArt RoddamCurt will, Stefan will not.Dec 6, 2018, 11:05 PMDalton LaskowskiDon’t take it personal man, moly is a good stepping stone but he’s consistently dishonest.

Ever watch his debate with cultured thug?Dec 6, 2018, 11:05 PMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon right, Jordan is actually left-leaning but he’s characterized as a “right-wing extremist” and given a platform. The promotion of figures like this as “far right” is to control the overton window. Essentially, you get the overton window of the left being ethnocentric non-whites and communists like Ocasio Cortez and then the “far-right” consists of left-leaning Jordan Peterson, lolbertarian Blair White, “conservative” Milo, etc.Dec 6, 2018, 11:12 PMJennifer DeanWell said. This seems to be the fatal flaw in Western civilization.Dec 6, 2018, 11:13 PMJennifer DeanPay no attention to those enthnocentric right wingers behind the curtain. They are all literally Hitler. Here’s a nice cup of individualism before beddytime. Zzzzzzzz Be sure to make your bed when you get up in the morning.Dec 6, 2018, 11:16 PMJennifer DeanEthnocentrism is only for dindus.Dec 6, 2018, 11:17 PMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon anyone interviewed by NYT or propped up by the big 6 media companies likely doesn’t have a unique or controversial (Right Wing) idea in his headDec 6, 2018, 11:17 PMLuke LemmonJennifer Dean what? Are you just talking about how twisted the media is?Dec 6, 2018, 11:20 PMLuke LemmonEthan Trice what do you mean? What does the NYT and the 6 big media companies have to do with the ideas of an individual?Dec 6, 2018, 11:21 PMJennifer DeanLuke Lemmon I’m talking about how JBP, Moly, etc. function as gatekeepers.Dec 6, 2018, 11:26 PMLuke LemmonJennifer Dean gatekeepers to what?Dec 6, 2018, 11:27 PMJennifer DeanTo the right wing.Dec 6, 2018, 11:28 PMLuke LemmonHmm well from what I understand JBP actually brings people towards the center from both the left and the right. The lectures I’ve watched and have been to always have people of all kinds attending. Not right wingers.Dec 6, 2018, 11:34 PMLuke LemmonMaybe Molly is more of a gatekeeper or whateverDec 6, 2018, 11:34 PMJared NeavesDylan Newman thatDec 6, 2018, 11:34 PMCurt Doolittle^ That doesnt mean what you think it means…Dec 6, 2018, 11:39 PMJoshua Skeens^Fair, Whiner and Fan (or simply consumer) don’t typically overlap when it comes to public personas.Dec 6, 2018, 11:50 PMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon 85% of the media is owned by 6 companies.

There’s collusion of the elite working together to control the overton window and it’s fairly apparent. You’ll have news sources creepily saying the same stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb3KD6DfSI Hell, you even have the national review, presumably a “far-right” news source, promoting the death of white people “The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. ” http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432796/working-class-whites-have-moral-responsibilities-defense-kevin-williamson (essentially saying “it’s good for everyone else to do identity politics, but national review readers should stay individualistic JBP’s primary appeal is to the same type of people who would be drawn to right wing ideology (he’s said in interviews that he’s attempting to keep people from the real right-wing by focusing on hyper-individualism).Dec 7, 2018, 12:10 AMEthan TriceHere’s a good example of elite organizations working against American interests. Note, for all the talk of “Russian Collusion” today, AIPAC has never gotten in trouble for essentially being an arm of the Israeli government directly influencing American politics and elections.”. Israel’s then-Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir would not budge, and instead gave the green light to AIPAC to send its members to Capitol Hill to shore up congressional support. ” : https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-george-h-w-bush-and-his-roller-coaster-relationship-with-american-jews-and-israel-1.6028592Dec 7, 2018, 12:12 AMEthan TriceColin Higgins saying it’s just IQ is reductionist, but it’s the single best indicator of future success. There’s more at play, certainly (slightly less reductionist would be to say high trust society+high IQ+some individualism =western civ) but IQ is readily quantifiable so it’s usedDec 7, 2018, 12:16 AMLuke LemmonJennifer Dean yeah I know about the 6 major companies that own all the media. I’m more interested in the 15% that isn’t owned by tbem. JBP is apart of that.Dec 7, 2018, 12:26 AMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon he’s not *owned* by them, but he is owned by them. I remember reading about how how one of the defenses of Castro not being a communist early on was because he didn’t have an official membership in a communist organization like the comintern. If you quack like a duck and look like a duck, you’re probably a duckDec 7, 2018, 12:51 AMChristopher IvančićHe kind of broke his own argument when he said that the higher IQ of Ashkenazis made them superior to everyone else.Dec 7, 2018, 12:57 AMJames Ragsdalehttps://theconversation.com/racism-is-real-race-is-not-a-philosophers-perspective-82504Dec 7, 2018, 1:11 AMJames Ragsdalehttps://ndpr.nd.edu/news/the-philosophy-of-race/Dec 7, 2018, 1:17 AMJames Ragsdalehttps://plato.stanford.edu/entries/race/Dec 7, 2018, 1:18 AMJames Ragsdalehttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/phc3.12468Dec 7, 2018, 1:19 AMLuke LemmonHow is Jordan B Peterson owned by the 6 major companies? And how aren’t you?Dec 7, 2018, 1:19 AMJames Ragsdalehttp://www.mit.edu/~shaslang/rprg/MallonRNNMS.pdfDec 7, 2018, 1:21 AMPatrick NagleYou guys realize the entire debate would be Stefan insisting the claim he made was only from a Darwinian view point, that species aren’t better or worse just more suited to the biome they evolved in. If he had to make a case against anything else he knows he would fail miserably. That’s why he won’t do it, the entire tweet was an attempt to remain marketable/palatable.Dec 7, 2018, 1:39 AMMatthew MorrisonColin Higgins They have higher average IQ’s that tend to cluster around the mean thus fewer idiots but also fewer geniuses.Dec 7, 2018, 1:55 AMBenjamin IrelandFinally a topic to debate? I admit I’m not terribly familiar with your work (yet), but I think you and Molyneux have disagreements on the usefulness of violence (correct me if I’m wrong).Dec 7, 2018, 3:51 AMAaron KahlandColin Higgins although I agree with your position, your argumentation assumes that IQ differences in groups are static. It is possible that comparative intelligence of Europeans was higher in periods of scientific breakthrough – in fact, I expect this was likely the case.Dec 7, 2018, 4:05 AMKyle KalutkiewiczDoes Molyneux still do the Sunday call in show? If so, why not just call in?Dec 7, 2018, 6:36 AMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon I don’t know how much more explicit I could have been. If you’re spewing the same narrative, you may not be *owned* by someone but you’re still part of the same problem. Also, the “how aren’t you” is really silly for 2 reasons: 1) I’m not a media/public figure and 2) I don’t spew that sort of ideologyDec 7, 2018, 7:44 AMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon getting the positive coverage and a bloody photo shoot from the NYT is pretty good evidence that yea, you’re not saying anything they don’t want you to say (which, to be as explicit as possible, is exactly what happened for that NYT article I linked)Dec 7, 2018, 7:45 AMJames KnowlesIf by science he means the science of teaching 70 iq people to dig ditches and sweep floors, and to have only one kid per couple versus 100+ iq people advancing science, creating traditional art and having 5 kids per family. Then yes, lol.Dec 7, 2018, 8:46 AMCurt DoolittleExactly why it requires counter-signaling.Dec 7, 2018, 8:49 AMDann HopkinsPolitical marketing is just intellectual fraud with extra steps, by being palatable he is robbing the reader of the truthDec 7, 2018, 9:02 AMDann HopkinsNot until the abrahamists got on the scene, unmolested western civilization does not have this fatal flawDec 7, 2018, 9:03 AMJennifer DeanFlaws are exploited by opportunists, otherwise if there was no flaw western civ would still be unmolested.Dec 7, 2018, 9:23 AMLuke LemmonEthan Trice What same “ideology” is Jordan spewing that the 6 major media companies promote?

Yeah you’re a consumer on facebook. So “how aren’t you?” Isn’t actually that silly.Dec 7, 2018, 9:35 AMLuke LemmonHere in the USA people have the freedom of association. All because he’s finally gotten positive reviews despite every other time he hasn’t and a photoshoot. Doesn’t mean he’s in bed with them. Don’t be silly. All it means is NYT doesn’t want to go through the shit show that other magazines have gone through that have tried to “catch” Jordan red handed.Dec 7, 2018, 9:40 AMColin HigginsYou are correct in that IQ is not static. I would go further and say that IQ is insufficient. Not because it has no empirical validity, or that as a technique, its conclusions are sometimes troublesome, but that it is an artifact of the cognitive and social sciences. Moly putting all his eggs in the IQ basket is like Einstein holding on to cosmology in the face of the emerging quantum theory and proclaiming “God does not throw dice!”. For Stefan, IQ and cognitive science, along with some variation of Adlarian psychology are First Principles from which his arguments emerge. It is good that he has principles, but these principles should be challenged and criticized when necessary.Dec 7, 2018, 10:33 AMAaron KahlandColin Higgins There is evidence to suggest that average IQs (where East Asians are high) is the reason for scientific success but, rather, distributions. I have seen data that shows fatter bell curve tails amongst Europeans compared with East Asians. A similar phenomena is observed between men and women.

It ought to come as little surprise that if once group has significantly fatter tails (despite lower averages) then it is likely to result in more invention and innovation within their societies.

I agree with you that considering IQ as foundational is problematic.

My personal gut feeling is that non-conformity coupled with specialization holds some explanatory power for Western advancement.Dec 7, 2018, 11:15 AMTrevor ValescuIf it does happen, you have to make him double down and face off against Either Erik Striker, Mike, Sven, or Alex.Dec 7, 2018, 11:31 AMJoe RedtreeJennifer Dean this is like blaming your red blood cells after you catch the aids virusDec 7, 2018, 11:46 AMDann Hopkinsyeah, better to focus on removing flaws we can identify than posturing that flaws will exist and be exploited no matter what so we are doomed to failDec 7, 2018, 11:53 AMJoe RedtreeDann Hopkins people keep trying to blame stuff “the problem was the reformation” or “the problem was the enlightenment”

i propose there is no system that will work with these destructive elements in it. i might even go further ans say we as a people could make almost any given political system work, left to our own devices.Dec 7, 2018, 11:56 AMDann HopkinsThe “nothing is perfect so dont even try” attitude is just poisonDec 7, 2018, 11:58 AMJoe RedtreeDann Hopkins this type of thinking is known as the “nirvana fallacy”Dec 7, 2018, 11:59 AMJennifer DeanDann Hopkins “yeah, better to focus on removing flaws we can identify than posturing that flaws will exist and be exploited no matter what so we are doomed to fail” Who said that we are doomed to fail?Dec 7, 2018, 11:59 AMDann HopkinsThe strength of cooperation (and by extension allowing religious freedom) is what built rome and was also what doomed them since they allowed abrahamism to take route because of it, but that doesn’t mean it is a flaw, it means that parasites exist – we just need to be vigilant

Its like a computer with out of date spyware definitions, you dont say that your computer is flawed because it can connect to the internet and the internet can give you viruses, it is just an arms race between the spyware and the definitions, between the aristocracy and the parasites, the same can even be said of bacteria and your immune systemDec 7, 2018, 12:04 PMJennifer DeanDann Hopkins out of date spyware definitions = flawDec 7, 2018, 12:06 PMCurt DoolittleAaron Kahland yep. more homogenous population with narrower distribution.Dec 7, 2018, 12:06 PMCurt DoolittleOUTLYING QUESTION: is it also because by increasing neoteny and decreasing dimorphism, east asians produced the narrower distribution of females, rather than the wider distribution of males?Dec 7, 2018, 12:07 PMDann HopkinsYou don’t understand the metaphorDec 7, 2018, 12:07 PMJennifer DeanI don’t need the metaphorDec 7, 2018, 12:08 PMJoe RedtreeJennifer Dean i agree with you that allowing certain elements to exist is a fatal flawDec 7, 2018, 12:10 PMDann HopkinsCooperation leads to good civilizations but can open them up to parasites, but without the cooperation the civilization would not exist in the first place, so no, not a flaw

“Chewing food builds plaque, better knock out all my teeth”Dec 7, 2018, 12:16 PMJoe Redtreeone fekking dollah?Dec 7, 2018, 12:17 PMDann HopkinsAlso out of date spyware definitions = user error, not a flaw with the systemDec 7, 2018, 12:20 PMDann HopkinsIf the west is a computer, remove the viruses (abrahamism, postmodernism, marxism etc) and it will perform better, but the computer isn’t broken for having been infected, if you get what I mean?Dec 7, 2018, 12:28 PMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon I honestly don’t know how to respond to being accused of being part of the media. that’s like if you were to call me a Frenchman or a rooster. It’s simply not true: I don’t have a platform. Regarding your second comment, we do not have freedom of association in America. If you think we do have that, then I’ve got some news for you about the boy scouts, the ’64 civil rights act, diversity quotas, etc.Dec 7, 2018, 12:32 PMEthan TriceLuke Lemmon also, I get you may be a bit young, but surely you can’t be unaware of the whole “deplatforming” phenomenon. The argument goes that to only truly oppose something is to take away their platform. While that’s obviously absurd, the inverse (by promoting someone you at least support them getting more exposure) is clearly trueDec 7, 2018, 12:34 PMCurt Doolittleanalogies convey meaning but they are not methods of argument, but methods of avoiding argument. If you cannot make an operational argument then you demonstrate that you lack competency and knowledge to opine upon the subject.Dec 7, 2018, 12:36 PMJoe RedtreeCurt Doolittle i think part of the problem is we can’t say what we really mean because of imposed speech limitations online.Dec 7, 2018, 12:37 PMCurt DoolittleMeaning > Falsification > Reality (Correspondence, consistency, identity, coherence, existential possibility, completeness, full accounting) > Code ;)Dec 7, 2018, 12:37 PMCurt DoolittleWell then CODE Is a good thing to speak in. ;)Dec 7, 2018, 12:37 PMDann HopkinsYeah you can get away with it but I live in the UK thinly veiled metaphors are about as edgy as I can be without a knock on the door from thought policeDec 7, 2018, 12:38 PMJoe RedtreeCurt Doolittle this is a very goyish take on semiotics.Dec 7, 2018, 12:44 PMCurt DoolittleYes, it is a very GOY-ish application of the GOY-ish law of testimony to the not-GOY-ish art of lying.Dec 7, 2018, 12:46 PMJoe RedtreeCurt Doolittle it’s like the anti-derrida.Dec 7, 2018, 12:48 PMJennifer DeanDann Hopkins viruses, malware etc. are not the flaw. The flaw is a security vulnerability that can be exploited to let in a virus. You can remove the viruses, but the security vulnerabilities still have to be fixed. Sometimes the OS needs a major upgrade. Sometimes you have to reinstall the OS. Sometimes you can just get better results from a different OS. Sometimes infected computers are not recoverable. We still have time, but not much. We are dealing with a rootkit.Dec 7, 2018, 12:52 PMDann HopkinsI used a metaphor to explain meaning, not argue, yes the flaw exists but it is also a strength, a meritocracy is fantastically productive but also easy pickings for parasitic group strategy

I’m not saying anybody was wrong so arguing wasnt a goal, just that it is a double edged sword, and using metaphor to make what I mean easier to understandDec 7, 2018, 12:52 PMJennifer DeanThe computer is property, land, territory. Civilization, government, law is the operating system.Dec 7, 2018, 12:59 PMDann HopkinsJennifer Dean Thats literally what I’m saying, the computer isn’t at fault, the system we created worked

The operating system is infected with abrahamism.exeDec 7, 2018, 1:03 PMJennifer DeanDann Hopkins the system we created has big security vulnerabilitiesDec 7, 2018, 1:10 PMJennifer DeanIf you think about how most PCs commonly get infected (((porn))) this isn’t even an analogy anymore. It is literal reality. But to continue with that as an analogy, user error is what allows our security vulnerabilities to be exploited. And our user errors in western civ are fundamentally about sexuality.Dec 7, 2018, 1:18 PMDann HopkinsThis is where I would argue that it is due to the nature of meritocracy that such security vulnerabilities exist, and to seek the best talent will always expose you to more risk, as the more intelligent are more dangerous should they have Ill intentions

In the same way a computer with an internet connection is much more vulnerable, but also much more useful (sorry to use metaphor again)

I am all for increased security but at the moment we would do well to clean up our civilization before we start doing more work on it (new strategies)Dec 7, 2018, 1:18 PMDann HopkinsAnd Re the second comment on user error, while you have identified one of the biggest reasons for error, there are many more that have even worse implicationsDec 7, 2018, 1:31 PMJennifer DeanDann Hopkins that is a great point about meritocracy. It does increase the risk of exploitation. What negates that risk, is the ability to perceive ill intentions, to identify psychopathy, to recognize when we are being had. The fatal flaw is an inability or even unwillingness to recognize evil. It starts with naivete but works up from there to people excusing obviously bad behavior because they prefer some sort of fantasy where all people are one and all are good. And it is avoidance of the necessity of dealing with evil (expulsion, execution.)Dec 7, 2018, 1:33 PMJennifer DeanIf you study MK ultra and trauma based mind control, there is a persistent theme that they view blond, blue eyed people as being the most vulnerable to mind control.Dec 7, 2018, 1:34 PMJennifer DeanThe fundamental user errors that allow exploitation are all related to sexuality, different reproductive strategies, and sexual abuse (which increases the vulnerability to exploitation exponentially.)Dec 7, 2018, 1:40 PMDann HopkinsThe fantasy of a world without evil only works on the western world because of their christian infection and its resulting guilt economy, original sin is now white privilege, ritual worship replaced with hashtags, the political left is now a soy milk version of Christianity, and Christianity merely a symptom of the infection of abrahamism

Remove abrahamism, regain ability to perceive Ill intentionsDec 7, 2018, 1:48 PMJennifer DeanDann Hopkins how did the abrahamism get in to start with, if removing it restores the ability to recognize it?Dec 7, 2018, 1:54 PMDann HopkinsBecause back then god was still a relevant concept and the romans were allowing people religious freedom in their conquered territories

God is no longer a relevant concept, if someone can’t prove what they say, we don’t believe them, simple as thatDec 7, 2018, 2:02 PMJennifer DeanDann Hopkins “we” don’t believe them…who is we?Dec 7, 2018, 2:09 PMDann HopkinsThe uninfected members of societyDec 7, 2018, 2:11 PMJennifer DeanA small minorityDec 7, 2018, 2:11 PMDann HopkinsLike you said, its a rootkit, we don’t have much timeDec 7, 2018, 2:13 PMJohn Phillip SousaKitty Amada what’s the synopsis. Calling him out on whatDec 7, 2018, 2:43 PMKitty AmadaThat he has lied about being an entrepreneur, that he begs a little too much for money, he is a joo but pretends he really isnt. He is not a good debater – he will insult people for being stupid (see his FE debate) when he has no argument. Also very interesting….. his wife supported him in the first 2 years of their marriage because he wasnt working.Dec 7, 2018, 2:57 PMKitty AmadaMiles Mathis has outted him as being part of the peerage. On his podcasts he makes it sound as if he was very poor and is self made.Dec 7, 2018, 2:58 PMCurt Doolittle(Thanks for this kitt. And great distillation above. I don’t mind marketing. And puffing up a resume is one thing. The fact that he’s a ‘crypto’ hiding behind whiteness annoys me. I do appreciate the education that he provides that the mainstream doesn’t. I don’t expect him to be able to do both that kind of work and answer the hard questions. it’s up to others that can afford to, to answer those hard questions. My problem with him is when he counter-signals the hard questions rather than stating “that’s just not something I am able to judge”.Dec 7, 2018, 3:02 PMJoseph SmithThe reality is he’s a good gateway to the people dealing with the hard truths. But the (((fellow white))) thing is unforgivable given the circumstances.Dec 7, 2018, 3:39 PMAaron KahlandCurt Doolittle Perhaps the greater concentration of E. Asians around the mean is linked to higher sexual monomorphism. Would be interesting to compare with other, more dimorphic, groups.Dec 7, 2018, 5:38 PMCurt DoolittleAaron Kahland smartDec 7, 2018, 6:01 PMJoe RedtreeDann Hopkins what makes you think it isn’t already too late?Dec 7, 2018, 7:37 PMBenjamin IrelandI like Stefan, but his debate tactics are infuriating, and usually deployed against people who call into his show and aren’t very bright. I don’t think you should frame it as a debate. Doolittle and Molyneux are two of the most important active voices out there, and I’d prefer you two had a productive conversation on the topic, rather than an event where spectators are cheering for a side.Dec 7, 2018, 10:08 PMJennifer DeanThe people who call in may be brighter than they come across, but he holds court over them and puts them off kilter with his tactics. Some obviously struggle to articulate themselves, and he is smug about it and takes unnecessary one ups. With the ones who call in with personal problems, he is more than capable of being compassionate, but still catches them off guard with condescension, invalidation, or high handed moral self-righteousness. As much as I enjoy seeing him have productive conversations, and would love to see him have one with Curt, there’s a little mean streak in me that wants to see Curt put him in his place.Dec 8, 2018, 12:59 AMSebastiano Ferragamoconfident you’d destroy this guy, not confident you’ll hold back on the full suite. He’ll protect his backers, quotes will be taken out of context and in isolation. Careful.Dec 8, 2018, 8:50 AMNick DahlheimAfter the Bret Weinstein vs Molly stuff, Molly MUST show some balls and debate you, Curt DoolittleDec 9, 2018, 8:43 PMDarin LiveIf you were wondering what to get me for Christmas…. ☝️Dec 11, 2018, 3:02 PMJames KnowlesImo, you would probably recruit stephan once he got a full grasp of propertarianismDec 11, 2018, 3:32 PMOK. TIME FOR MOLLY

original tweet: https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1070517978574147584