SEEING THE DICHOTOMY AND TEACHING IT
by John Mark
Now that I see this dichotomy between hopeful-moral-wishful thinking and resigned-legal-realistic thinking, I see it everywhere.
Leftists, obviously moral/wishful. Libertardians, “principled conservatives”, classical liberal, and Civnats are still moral/wishful.
Even my wife, after Dems took the House, was emotionally upset. I said, “I’ve been telling you democracy is false hope for a long time now. Even if we’d won the House it would mean nothing in the long run.” “Yeah, but it’s just so upsetting (moral rant as she works through the emotions).”
It is hard to have your hopes shattered. High-openness right-wingers have it a bit easier because we immediately probe for outside the box solutions, that’s what we do. Low-openness folks have it harder because change is less comfortable for them in general.
It’s amazing watching the Right catch up to us slowly in real time. TheConservativeTreehouse (boomer civnat site) comment section on midterms night had many people saying “this was the nonwhites”. A new dynamic for them, normally signal hard against any race talk. The site proprietor said he just wanted to go fishing. (Emotional/wishful/hopeful thinking being shattered into realism.)
Becoming more aspie/scientific/realistic is emotionally difficult for most people, it usually only happens through the trauma of reality slapping them in the face brutally, and even then humans show a remarkable capacity to resist it. But any individual or group that embraces it (classic example Western Civ) to a greater extent than others has a tremendous advantage.
So the question is vital: How do we train it?
–John Mark
(CD: The Law is Easy to Teach)
Theme: Truth
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Becoming Real
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Fascism Won
UM RELIGIOUS NARRATIVE (Supernatural) > SOCIAL CONSTRUCTION (Sophism) > GENERATIVE ANTHROPOLOGY (Pseudoscience) = LIES AND MORE LIES The Weak Lie, the Able Trade, the Strong Rule. Let me help you. Postmodern social construction is a fashion statement. Generative Anthropology is an updated fashion statement. Both describe the same phenomenon: if we tell enough lies, people may in fact behave according to those lies. And while this may produce some sort of political advantage for that category of people who can do nothing but resort to lying (priest, intellectual, media, politician, salesman) because they possess no value in production or trade (truth), or violence or law (truth). So no, nothing novel there. Just another attempt at handwaving. These clowns took a few keywords from Chomsky, who took his idea from Turing, and restated Social Construction. And social construction is just a secular attempt to undermine western civilization by producing a canon of lies, the way abrahamic theologians succeeded in destroying western civilization with a canon of lies. More of the same. the weak lie, the able trade, the strong rule. The liars have three techniques: Supernatural, Sophism, and Pseudoscience: the vernacular of the weak, unable, and immoral.
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Losing Count
—You’re still a moralist and I’m a legalist. The difference is the arbitrariness and imprecision of your position and non-arbitrariness and precision of mine. Ergo I am more confident because I am not troubled by lack of clarity – because I have none.–
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Becoming Real
SEEING THE DICHOTOMY AND TEACHING IT
by John Mark Now that I see this dichotomy between hopeful-moral-wishful thinking and resigned-legal-realistic thinking, I see it everywhere. Leftists, obviously moral/wishful. Libertardians, “principled conservatives”, classical liberal, and Civnats are still moral/wishful. Even my wife, after Dems took the House, was emotionally upset. I said, “I’ve been telling you democracy is false hope for a long time now. Even if we’d won the House it would mean nothing in the long run.” “Yeah, but it’s just so upsetting (moral rant as she works through the emotions).” It is hard to have your hopes shattered. High-openness right-wingers have it a bit easier because we immediately probe for outside the box solutions, that’s what we do. Low-openness folks have it harder because change is less comfortable for them in general. It’s amazing watching the Right catch up to us slowly in real time. TheConservativeTreehouse (boomer civnat site) comment section on midterms night had many people saying “this was the nonwhites”. A new dynamic for them, normally signal hard against any race talk. The site proprietor said he just wanted to go fishing. (Emotional/wishful/hopeful thinking being shattered into realism.) Becoming more aspie/scientific/realistic is emotionally difficult for most people, it usually only happens through the trauma of reality slapping them in the face brutally, and even then humans show a remarkable capacity to resist it. But any individual or group that embraces it (classic example Western Civ) to a greater extent than others has a tremendous advantage. So the question is vital: How do we train it? –John Mark (CD: The Law is Easy to Teach) -
I have a long standing policy about imagery and memes as substitute for argument
I have a long standing policy about imagery and memes as substitute for arguments.
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Utopianism
GOOD CRITICISM: UTOPIANISM? BUT NO…. —“Propertarianism as far as I understand is an utopian vision of humanity as primarily rational. An implementation of such an utopian vision may have many unforeseen consequences, as micromanagement of human resources is not in Curt’ strategic vision. The general disapproval of Abrahamic cults within his system may lead to many improvised atrocities, created out of sheer escalation of violence. To conclude – this scene is possible and likely to happen, although Curt would probably disapprove of it.”—Igor Rogov –” … an utopian vision of humanity as primarily rational.”– No, but that law is conducted rationally empirically and tediously operationally. And the legal class is in fact, rational. Frames: Math, Science, Economics, Law, History, Literature, Philosophy, Religion(Theology), and the Occult and Magic. People. —“… An implementation of such an utopian vision may have many unforeseen consequences,…”— Hmmm…. All increases in the suppression of violence, theft, and fraud have predictable universal consequences, and that is raising the cost of doing so, and shifting people either into markets or into more advanced (indirect) means of parasitism. All decreases in superstition have produced extraordinary increases in quality of life. The problem we see is the inadequate suppression of pseudoscience(marxism and fiat monetarism), sophism(postmodernism and feminism), and supernaturalism (islam and judaism in particular). There is every reason to expect that increases in the ‘scientification’ of the social sciences will produce the same or better returns than the ‘scientification’ of the physical sciences. There is certainly every reason to expect that definancializing, de politicizing, and suppressing fraud, libel, and slander will produce windfalls that will restore the pre-72 middle class rates at the expense of financial class and bureaucratic and media rates. It’s not that there won’t be unexpected consequences, but that those unexpected consequences have historically been fantastic. It was the rollback of our laws to ‘tolerate’ consumer capitalism that has been the problem. THE CONFLICT Can you teach mindfulness, ethnonationalism, transcendence and create a non-supernatural religion? Absolutely. it was the hardest problem to solve. it is absolutely possible. if it is possible to teach reading, writing, and arithmetic, manners, ethics, morals and norms, it is possible to teach mindfulness – and we know so that the more desirable civilizations appear to do so. So the argument that we must have a ‘religion of nonsense’ is false. However…. If people wanna make cults they will no matter what anyone does because it fills a need. That does not mean the need the cults fill is the only one possible. As today many means of framing the world exist in each culture with classes navigating to the most useful. I have been struggling to further understand, but as someone (possibly also Igor) helped me understand, Slavic civ does not have one other than the church. However, the west has all of those Frames listed above; India has at least the scientific, legal, political-philosophical, and traditional-religious. And china has the scientific, bureaucratic, wisdom lit, and buddhism. Japan has the the shinto and buddhist as well as feudal martial, and confucian and now scientific. I can go through most cultures but one of the things I have come to understand is that there are cultures that produced no wisdom lits of their own. And this is a bigger hurdle than I had originally imagined. So this is why it is easier for some western groups and harder than others, is longer periods under MORE LITERATURES, producing classes in each of the literatures over time. Thereby relying on a portfolio rather than a monopoly. PROPERTARIANISM’S CONTENTS: 1) explain the cause of western uniqueness (Done)
2) create a formal, value-independent, cross disciplinary, fully commensurable language sufficient for decidability of ALL conflicts in court, thereby restoring the market for common law in opposition to the market for goods services and information.. (Done)
3) create a constitution restoring that uniqueness using that language (Done) within that constitution, ALSO provide a set of incentives for definancializing, de-propagandizing, de-politicizing the current era.( Done)
4) Apply the method to all questions – literally all. Such that we demonstrate how these CAN be decided. In other words produce a canon of solved problems so that lies cannot be made as they were in the past.
5) Produce advice on a “means of transition.” AS SUCH
it is an evolutionary enhancement of law that extends the current tort constraint on goods and services and the speech regarding each to political speech in order to compensate for the industrialization of lying that has been made possible by the development of mass media. -
Of Course You Aren’t Going to Understand P Off the Bat.
Um. You know. If i asked you “How would you go about creating a value-neutral, cross-disciplinary, fully commensurable language that could survive in court under testimony in all matters of conflict.”, I’ll bet you can’t even begin to imagine where to start and how to go about it. So yeah, that’s Propertarianism (or that’s the spectrum within Propertarianism, including vitruvianism->metaphysics, acquisitionism->psychology, compatibilism->sociology, propertarianism->ethics, testimonialism->epistemology, and algorithmic natural law->politics). And it includes reformation of every one of the grammars (disciplines). So of COURSE you aren’t going to understand THAT LANGUAGE off the bat. You aren’t going to understand how to convert from IDEAL language (pretense of knowledge) we use today to REAL language (demonstrating knowledge). Worse you are not going to understand how to convert your thinking from simple human scale justification, to post human scale via negativa falsification, and finally into well formed statements in operational language. So please don’t waste my time until you catch up to the people who HAVE done so. Ok. Yeah. Thanks. sigh…
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Utopianism
GOOD CRITICISM: UTOPIANISM? BUT NO…. —“Propertarianism as far as I understand is an utopian vision of humanity as primarily rational. An implementation of such an utopian vision may have many unforeseen consequences, as micromanagement of human resources is not in Curt’ strategic vision. The general disapproval of Abrahamic cults within his system may lead to many improvised atrocities, created out of sheer escalation of violence. To conclude – this scene is possible and likely to happen, although Curt would probably disapprove of it.”—Igor Rogov –” … an utopian vision of humanity as primarily rational.”– No, but that law is conducted rationally empirically and tediously operationally. And the legal class is in fact, rational. Frames: Math, Science, Economics, Law, History, Literature, Philosophy, Religion(Theology), and the Occult and Magic. People. —“… An implementation of such an utopian vision may have many unforeseen consequences,…”— Hmmm…. All increases in the suppression of violence, theft, and fraud have predictable universal consequences, and that is raising the cost of doing so, and shifting people either into markets or into more advanced (indirect) means of parasitism. All decreases in superstition have produced extraordinary increases in quality of life. The problem we see is the inadequate suppression of pseudoscience(marxism and fiat monetarism), sophism(postmodernism and feminism), and supernaturalism (islam and judaism in particular). There is every reason to expect that increases in the ‘scientification’ of the social sciences will produce the same or better returns than the ‘scientification’ of the physical sciences. There is certainly every reason to expect that definancializing, de politicizing, and suppressing fraud, libel, and slander will produce windfalls that will restore the pre-72 middle class rates at the expense of financial class and bureaucratic and media rates. It’s not that there won’t be unexpected consequences, but that those unexpected consequences have historically been fantastic. It was the rollback of our laws to ‘tolerate’ consumer capitalism that has been the problem. THE CONFLICT Can you teach mindfulness, ethnonationalism, transcendence and create a non-supernatural religion? Absolutely. it was the hardest problem to solve. it is absolutely possible. if it is possible to teach reading, writing, and arithmetic, manners, ethics, morals and norms, it is possible to teach mindfulness – and we know so that the more desirable civilizations appear to do so. So the argument that we must have a ‘religion of nonsense’ is false. However…. If people wanna make cults they will no matter what anyone does because it fills a need. That does not mean the need the cults fill is the only one possible. As today many means of framing the world exist in each culture with classes navigating to the most useful. I have been struggling to further understand, but as someone (possibly also Igor) helped me understand, Slavic civ does not have one other than the church. However, the west has all of those Frames listed above; India has at least the scientific, legal, political-philosophical, and traditional-religious. And china has the scientific, bureaucratic, wisdom lit, and buddhism. Japan has the the shinto and buddhist as well as feudal martial, and confucian and now scientific. I can go through most cultures but one of the things I have come to understand is that there are cultures that produced no wisdom lits of their own. And this is a bigger hurdle than I had originally imagined. So this is why it is easier for some western groups and harder than others, is longer periods under MORE LITERATURES, producing classes in each of the literatures over time. Thereby relying on a portfolio rather than a monopoly. PROPERTARIANISM’S CONTENTS: 1) explain the cause of western uniqueness (Done)
2) create a formal, value-independent, cross disciplinary, fully commensurable language sufficient for decidability of ALL conflicts in court, thereby restoring the market for common law in opposition to the market for goods services and information.. (Done)
3) create a constitution restoring that uniqueness using that language (Done) within that constitution, ALSO provide a set of incentives for definancializing, de-propagandizing, de-politicizing the current era.( Done)
4) Apply the method to all questions – literally all. Such that we demonstrate how these CAN be decided. In other words produce a canon of solved problems so that lies cannot be made as they were in the past.
5) Produce advice on a “means of transition.” AS SUCH
it is an evolutionary enhancement of law that extends the current tort constraint on goods and services and the speech regarding each to political speech in order to compensate for the industrialization of lying that has been made possible by the development of mass media. -
( Just finished a short interview with Richard Nikoley on honesty, truth, gramma
( Just finished a short interview with Richard Nikoley on honesty, truth, grammars. He says it will be up in the next day or so. Had fun. )
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-07 18:54:19 UTC
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DECISION| Religion <-> Philosophy <-> History <-> Law <-> Science <-> Mathematic
|DECISION| Religion <-> Philosophy <-> History <-> Law <-> Science <-> Mathematics. Graceful Failure to religion under ignorance, Graceful Success to mathematics under knowledge.
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-07 15:03:40 UTC
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1) Religious statements are not epistemic (scientific, literal) claims, but risk-survival heuristics under incomplete understanding. Populations with the right risk heuristics survive. Others perish.
2) Christianity has a built-in separation church/state.
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