Theme: Responsibility

  • —“Curt: How should the (ideal) relationship between homosexuals and society exist or be constructed?”—

    —“Curt: How should the (ideal) relationship between homosexuals and society exist or be constructed, to make homosexuals experience of society be the best it can be, while also making society’s experience of homosexuals be the best it can be? There are a lot of mixed messages out there… and you actually make sense and can justify why you make sense. I would appreciate your comment.”— Ok, Here is a rough outline of the argument in natural law: WHEREAS 1) As far as I know homosexuality is a non-rare in utero developmental disorder. I suspect this current scientific hypothesis to survive – although we might discover the cause is or is not an immune system reaction to testosterone (which it appears to be), and we may discover that it can be limited by natal treatments in the future – it does run in families. 2) If you read enough of my work, you’ll encounter the hypothesis that humans are not only able to adapt intellectually and emotionally to changes but that we can create very different distributions of traits in populations using very small variations in endocrine expression. We can express these by stresses and by selection. The male-vs female physical, and male-vs-female reward systems, and male vs female brain structures included in those distributions. 3) It is unclear whether or not the ability to produce homosexuals of either gender is a necessary consequence of our ability to produce those distributions. And secondly, whether or not the result is harmful or not. (apparently not). the reason being that there is *greater value in productivity in service of reproduction than reproduction*. 4) It is unclear how much of homosexuality is produced in utero, in early development, and in late development. My understanding at present, is that many sexual identity disorders can occur during development without sufficient physical exercise, and sufficient role play by either gender. (And that is before we account for the hormones in the modern chemical environment.) AND WHEREAS That we incrementally demonstrate our fitness (non parasitism, and productive contribution) by: 1) Forgoing crimes both private and public. 2) Demonstrate payment for the franchise by continuous military/militial/sheriff service. 3) Demonstrating worthiness by self sufficiency by productive contribution, thereby forgoing free riding and parasitism 4) Demonstrate worthiness to the intergenerational polity by marriage and family and the support thereof. 5) Demonstrate worthiness to productivity by the voluntary organization of business and industry. 7) Demonstrate worthiness to the polity by organization of the finance, industry, business, trade, and labor in a territory. 8) Demonstrate worthiness by the correct adjudication of disputes between in and out group members under the natural law of reciprocity. AND WHEREAS 1) That the family is the first demonstration of organizational capacity upon which the intergenerational family is dependent. 2) That families are a costly but necessary contribution to the family, clan, tribe, nation, and polity. 3) That families must work tirelessly to insulate generations from consumptive and hedonistic interests and behaviors. 4) That individuals who do not serve, do not produce families, do not produce businesses or industries, do not manage territories, or do not adjudicate differences under the natural law of property, are at best not harmful, and if engaged in criminal or free riding or parasitic activities are a a dead weight loss to the family, clan, tribe, nation, and polity. THEREFORE 1) Homosexuality is a birth defect, and not voluntary. Women are less sexually dedicated than males. Trauma in women especially can cause homosexuality at any point in life. 2) Anything that occurs between adults in private is a voluntary exchange between them and nothing else. 3) Anything that occurs in public (speech/sound, sight/display, or behavior/action) imposes an involuntary cost upon others. 4) Any speech, display, or action that is contrary to the preservation of the intergenerational investment in the commons, and in particular conspicuous hedonism or conspicuous consumption is damaging to the informational commons, and damaging to those who pay higher costs within it. 5) Marriage is a contract for corporation between a man, a woman, and the polity, for the intergeneration production of offspring, and reciprocal care, and reciprocal insurance. However, this contract consists almost entirely of (a)a transfer of all personal property to community property, (c) a reciprocal grant of power of attorney. (d) reciprocal ownership of offspring until the age of maturity. (e) an implied but unenforced insurance against hardship, infirmity, and old age. This corporation dramatically reduces the cost of household production and maintenance. Without this relationship household costs rise distproportionately and therefore standards of living drop accordingly. (as we have seen) 6) Natural Reproduction and parenting by individual homosexuals by whatever means, and by pairs of homosexuals by whatever means, is difficult to argue with, however any suggestion or influence by such parents that their children’s gender is flexible, that male and female minds and bodies are not different, and that male and female roles in family and society are not necessary, must be prosecuted as a developmental crime on the scale of any other child abuse or torture. 7) Public displays of affection in furtherance of paying the high cost of reproductive persistence, training an intergenerational family, and ensuring that families can produce intra and intergenerational insurance of one another rewards those that so contribute. 8) Public displays of non-reproductive affection shall be limited to those that are demonstrated between heterosexual members of the same sex. 9) Under no condition shall heterosexual and homosexual males be forced into one another’s company. Homosexual males are unfit for military participation by virtue of a birth defect that may hinder trust. 10) Prosecution of homosexual hedonism in any public form shall be vigorous such that it is entirely suppressed. (ie: no more of this public bathroom nonsense and drug use.) CLOSING In other words, the low temporal investment of homosexuals must be removed from visibility in the commons so that there is every incentives for the high intertemporal investment in families. The direction of homosexual relations to the construction of families despite the extraordinary fragility of such families due to the fragility of homosexual relationships, and suppression of public hedonism has proven a successfully means of both reducing public hostility to homosexual behavior and increased the positive signaling behavior of homosexuals. SPECIAL TREATMENT the only special treatment we must give to any behavior in society is that which perpetuates investment in the high cost of producing high investment families. The age of individualism has been a catastrophe for the very reason it was intended to be: to destroy the influence of intergenerational middle and upper middle class families. Just as the ancient attack on the aristocracy was an attack on intergenerational aristocracy. (The Ten Planks were available for all to see.) —MORE— NATURAL LAW ON GENDER https://propertarianinstitute.com/2017/06/02/natural-law-on-gender/ TWO GENDERS, MANY DISORDERS https://propertarianinstitute.com/2017/09/14/two-genders-many-disorders/ GAY MARRIAGE https://propertarianinstitute.com/2013/05/31/why-are-gay-people-asking-for-the-right-to-marry-if-it-is-legal-stuff-they-are-asking-for-cant-they-go-to-some-separate-setup-for-partners/
    May 30, 2018 12:47pm
  • What Is a Right? (repost)

    https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-right/answer/Curt-Doolittle?share=a75ded82&srid=u4Qv
    (Updated Apr 6, 2013)1) RIGHTS: A “right” is a claim against other members of a contract, wherein each party grants the other party something (a right) in exchange for something else (an obligation). Each person then has ‘rights’ as agreed upon in the contract, as well as obligations. This is the meaning of the term ‘right’. A right is something that you obtain from others in exchange for granting them something. There is no other logical meaning of the term unless you invent a god or demon, or some equivalent that you are supposedly in contract with. (Although the term ‘right’ is abused by way of analogy and metaphor, which I will explain below.) 2) CONTRACTS: A contract can be discreetly created, such as a handshake, a promise, or an agreement. Or a contract can be written as a note, a written contract, or a constitution. A contract can be created by habituation as a “norm”, such as manners, ethics, and morals. While very few people understand this, ethical and moral statements are those that compensate for the asymmetry of information between members of a contract for norms. This contract for norms is we call a society. Manners are promises that you will respect ethical and moral norms. Ethics are rules that we follow to make sure that there are no involuntary transfers of property due to asymmetry of information in exchange. Morals are general rules that we will follow to make sure there are no involuntary transfers from others who are outside (external to) any action or exchange. (Having a child that you cannot pay for, and expecting others to support it, is an involuntary transfer from others. That is why it’s generally been considered immoral.) One can voluntarily enter discreet contracts. But normative contracts are a necessity because people cannot peacefully and productively cooperate without them. One can generally move between groups with different normative contracts (societies, and communities) but it is all but impossible to avoid them entirely, and it is entirely impossible to exist in a community without adhering to that contract – usually, people are excluded from opportunity, punished, imprisoned, ostracized, or deported, for violations of the normative contract. 3) NATURAL RIGHTS: Some contract rights are both necessary for humans to engage in contracts, and possible to grant in contracts. Such as surrendering our opportunity for violence theft and fraud, from those with whom we are in contract. If we surrender our opportunity to use violence theft and fraud, we define this set of forgone opportunities as “property rights’. Because these rights are necessary for peaceful cooperation, and necessary for contracts to function, we call these necessary rights ‘Natural Rights’ – in an effort to limit the ability of governments to violate the contract rights that are necessary for human cooperation when they make laws. If we define our minds and bodies as our property. And we define those objects, that we freely obtained through exchange as our property, then there is only one natural right and that is property. It is the only right necessary, and the only right universally possible to grant to one another – because we must refrain from something, rather than do something. In this sense, there is only one possible human right, and all other rights derive from it. 3) HUMAN RIGHTS: Some contract rights are not necessary but beneficial. These rights generally can be categorized as forms of ‘insurance’. They cannot be directly exchanged without an intermediary institution acting as the insurer. People cannot equally contribute to their costs. We call these rights ‘Human Rights’. 4) DEMANDED RIGHTS: Now, this is not to say that you have no control over your rights. You can for example (and we all do) demand additional rights in exchange for our compliance with manners, ethics, morals, norms, laws that are levied equally against all. These rights are not human rights, they are not natural rights. They are rights that you demand for your compliance. The problem is, that means that they are just a preference. That’s all. You must get a right in exchange even if you demand it, it cannot exist until there is a contract for it, somehow. And we can cause discomfort, economic friction, and political resistance. Or we can offer to contribute more somehow in exchange for additional rights. In this sense, most arguments are in favor of demanded rights, in the form of FREE RIDING, PRIVILEGES, RENTS, and DIVIDENDS. 5) FREE RIDING (CORRUPTION) Free riding is letting other people pay for something that you enjoy. Voting for a tax that you don’t have to pay is free riding. Living off your parents is free riding. 5) PRIVILEGES (CORRUPTION): Sometimes we attempt to seek privileges, not rights – a privilege is something that unlike insurance, is something we are likely to obtain, and which comes at a cost to others, without our providing something else in exchange. These are not rights, but privileges at the expense of others. 6) RENTS (CORRUPTION) In contemporary politics, unscrupulous people attempt to label privileges as rights, so that they can obtain something from others at no cost to themselves This is not seeking rights but seeking privileges. It is a form of corruption, which is just an indirect form of theft. In economics, seeking privileges from the government is a form of corruption called ‘rent-seeking’. (Which admittedly, is an old and confusing name. In previous centuries, people would seek to obtain an interest in land so that they could collect rents on it.) Today, people seek an interest in tax revenue so that they can collect income from it. This is Rent-Seeking. The government, in practice, if not in theory, owns all land, and we rent it from the government by taxes. If you cannot pay your taxes, you cannot keep your land. Taxes today, are no different from taxes under feudalism. We have just replaced private landowners with a political bureaucracy. In both cases we are renting our land, and in many cases the homes we build, from the government. Taxes are our rents. And people who seek to own part of taxes are rent-seekers. 7) DIVIDENDS (REDISTRIBUTION) if you obey norms (manners, ethics, and morals) and obey natural rights (property), you do so at a cost to you. If you think of society as a business (it is, because it must be), and the business is to grow the local market (it is, at least to maintain it), because everyone in the local market will profit from it. (they do). Then these businesses (societies) grow through phases, just as businesses do (or really, business go through phases like society does, just a lot faster because they’re smaller), and in certain early phases(startups) they require a lot of investments from their shareholders (citizens), and in other phases they produce tremendous surpluses (mature, commoditized businesses), then we can see that most of the problem we deal with in politics, is who makes what contributions, and who collects what dividends, and how those dividends are used. PROBLEMS WITH DETERMINING DIVIDENDS (REDISTRIBUTION) It is very hard to argue against dividends (redistribution) if people respect (adhere to) manners, ethics, morals, and natural rights (property rights), as well as whatever arbitrary laws are created that affect all people equally. The general argument, which is true, is that by adhering to manners, ethics, morals, natural rights and arbitrary laws, you earn the right to participate in the market for goods and services. And that dividends are due only to those people who provide goods and services in the market. The problem is that a market can’t exist without consumers, and that consumption is equally as important as production and distribution. You can’t have one without the other. So this argument is at best, empirically weak. The problem with dividends (redistribution) is not the logical requirement for dividends (redistribution), but the problem with how to determine what a dividend is, how to collect them, who has earned them, and how to allocate them, and how to distribute them. But I will have to leave that rather lengthy discussion for another time. 🙂 This is very close to the ‘final word’ on rights. It is extremely hard to criticize this series of statements using any form of rational argument. I will be happy to engage literate people on the topic but ask the moderators for their help. Curt.
    May 31, 2018 8:18pm
  • What Is a Right? (repost)

    https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-right/answer/Curt-Doolittle?share=a75ded82&srid=u4Qv
    (Updated Apr 6, 2013)1) RIGHTS: A “right” is a claim against other members of a contract, wherein each party grants the other party something (a right) in exchange for something else (an obligation). Each person then has ‘rights’ as agreed upon in the contract, as well as obligations. This is the meaning of the term ‘right’. A right is something that you obtain from others in exchange for granting them something. There is no other logical meaning of the term unless you invent a god or demon, or some equivalent that you are supposedly in contract with. (Although the term ‘right’ is abused by way of analogy and metaphor, which I will explain below.) 2) CONTRACTS: A contract can be discreetly created, such as a handshake, a promise, or an agreement. Or a contract can be written as a note, a written contract, or a constitution. A contract can be created by habituation as a “norm”, such as manners, ethics, and morals. While very few people understand this, ethical and moral statements are those that compensate for the asymmetry of information between members of a contract for norms. This contract for norms is we call a society. Manners are promises that you will respect ethical and moral norms. Ethics are rules that we follow to make sure that there are no involuntary transfers of property due to asymmetry of information in exchange. Morals are general rules that we will follow to make sure there are no involuntary transfers from others who are outside (external to) any action or exchange. (Having a child that you cannot pay for, and expecting others to support it, is an involuntary transfer from others. That is why it’s generally been considered immoral.) One can voluntarily enter discreet contracts. But normative contracts are a necessity because people cannot peacefully and productively cooperate without them. One can generally move between groups with different normative contracts (societies, and communities) but it is all but impossible to avoid them entirely, and it is entirely impossible to exist in a community without adhering to that contract – usually, people are excluded from opportunity, punished, imprisoned, ostracized, or deported, for violations of the normative contract. 3) NATURAL RIGHTS: Some contract rights are both necessary for humans to engage in contracts, and possible to grant in contracts. Such as surrendering our opportunity for violence theft and fraud, from those with whom we are in contract. If we surrender our opportunity to use violence theft and fraud, we define this set of forgone opportunities as “property rights’. Because these rights are necessary for peaceful cooperation, and necessary for contracts to function, we call these necessary rights ‘Natural Rights’ – in an effort to limit the ability of governments to violate the contract rights that are necessary for human cooperation when they make laws. If we define our minds and bodies as our property. And we define those objects, that we freely obtained through exchange as our property, then there is only one natural right and that is property. It is the only right necessary, and the only right universally possible to grant to one another – because we must refrain from something, rather than do something. In this sense, there is only one possible human right, and all other rights derive from it. 3) HUMAN RIGHTS: Some contract rights are not necessary but beneficial. These rights generally can be categorized as forms of ‘insurance’. They cannot be directly exchanged without an intermediary institution acting as the insurer. People cannot equally contribute to their costs. We call these rights ‘Human Rights’. 4) DEMANDED RIGHTS: Now, this is not to say that you have no control over your rights. You can for example (and we all do) demand additional rights in exchange for our compliance with manners, ethics, morals, norms, laws that are levied equally against all. These rights are not human rights, they are not natural rights. They are rights that you demand for your compliance. The problem is, that means that they are just a preference. That’s all. You must get a right in exchange even if you demand it, it cannot exist until there is a contract for it, somehow. And we can cause discomfort, economic friction, and political resistance. Or we can offer to contribute more somehow in exchange for additional rights. In this sense, most arguments are in favor of demanded rights, in the form of FREE RIDING, PRIVILEGES, RENTS, and DIVIDENDS. 5) FREE RIDING (CORRUPTION) Free riding is letting other people pay for something that you enjoy. Voting for a tax that you don’t have to pay is free riding. Living off your parents is free riding. 5) PRIVILEGES (CORRUPTION): Sometimes we attempt to seek privileges, not rights – a privilege is something that unlike insurance, is something we are likely to obtain, and which comes at a cost to others, without our providing something else in exchange. These are not rights, but privileges at the expense of others. 6) RENTS (CORRUPTION) In contemporary politics, unscrupulous people attempt to label privileges as rights, so that they can obtain something from others at no cost to themselves This is not seeking rights but seeking privileges. It is a form of corruption, which is just an indirect form of theft. In economics, seeking privileges from the government is a form of corruption called ‘rent-seeking’. (Which admittedly, is an old and confusing name. In previous centuries, people would seek to obtain an interest in land so that they could collect rents on it.) Today, people seek an interest in tax revenue so that they can collect income from it. This is Rent-Seeking. The government, in practice, if not in theory, owns all land, and we rent it from the government by taxes. If you cannot pay your taxes, you cannot keep your land. Taxes today, are no different from taxes under feudalism. We have just replaced private landowners with a political bureaucracy. In both cases we are renting our land, and in many cases the homes we build, from the government. Taxes are our rents. And people who seek to own part of taxes are rent-seekers. 7) DIVIDENDS (REDISTRIBUTION) if you obey norms (manners, ethics, and morals) and obey natural rights (property), you do so at a cost to you. If you think of society as a business (it is, because it must be), and the business is to grow the local market (it is, at least to maintain it), because everyone in the local market will profit from it. (they do). Then these businesses (societies) grow through phases, just as businesses do (or really, business go through phases like society does, just a lot faster because they’re smaller), and in certain early phases(startups) they require a lot of investments from their shareholders (citizens), and in other phases they produce tremendous surpluses (mature, commoditized businesses), then we can see that most of the problem we deal with in politics, is who makes what contributions, and who collects what dividends, and how those dividends are used. PROBLEMS WITH DETERMINING DIVIDENDS (REDISTRIBUTION) It is very hard to argue against dividends (redistribution) if people respect (adhere to) manners, ethics, morals, and natural rights (property rights), as well as whatever arbitrary laws are created that affect all people equally. The general argument, which is true, is that by adhering to manners, ethics, morals, natural rights and arbitrary laws, you earn the right to participate in the market for goods and services. And that dividends are due only to those people who provide goods and services in the market. The problem is that a market can’t exist without consumers, and that consumption is equally as important as production and distribution. You can’t have one without the other. So this argument is at best, empirically weak. The problem with dividends (redistribution) is not the logical requirement for dividends (redistribution), but the problem with how to determine what a dividend is, how to collect them, who has earned them, and how to allocate them, and how to distribute them. But I will have to leave that rather lengthy discussion for another time. 🙂 This is very close to the ‘final word’ on rights. It is extremely hard to criticize this series of statements using any form of rational argument. I will be happy to engage literate people on the topic but ask the moderators for their help. Curt.
    May 31, 2018 8:18pm
  • “forge brotherhood not equality.”—Neil A. Bucklew —“Pull your weight and you

    —“forge brotherhood not equality.”—Neil A. Bucklew

    —“Pull your weight and your Brothers will compensate for your shortcomings as you do for them. If you can’t they impose limits to keep you safe”—Bill Joslin


    Source date (UTC): 2018-05-31 19:34:00 UTC

  • “Do Men have a duty of violence or privilege of guardianship?”—Brian Barr

    —“Do Men have a duty of violence or privilege of guardianship?”—Brian Barr


    Source date (UTC): 2018-05-26 22:02:42 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1000497479874424832

  • True Enough

    TRUE ENOUGH FOR ACTION —“At what point do you know you have enough data and experience to act?”— Jeff Urizen When you (a) must act, (b) can pay for the full consequences of failure of your actions (c) can warranty your actions. In other words… when your knowledge is ‘true enough for the consequences’: TRUE ENOUGH A hierarchy of Truths: – True enough to imagine a conceptual relationship – True enough for me to feel good about myself. – True enough for me to take actions that produce positive results. – True enough for me to not cause others to react negatively to me. – True enough to resolve a conflict without subjective opinion among my fellow people with similar values. – True enough to resolve a conflict without subjective opinion across different peoples with different values. – True regardless of all opinions or perspectives. – Tautologically true: in that the two things are equal TRUE ENOUGH FOR THE CONSEQUENCES OF ERROR
    May 26, 2018 12:51pm
  • True Enough

    TRUE ENOUGH FOR ACTION —“At what point do you know you have enough data and experience to act?”— Jeff Urizen When you (a) must act, (b) can pay for the full consequences of failure of your actions (c) can warranty your actions. In other words… when your knowledge is ‘true enough for the consequences’: TRUE ENOUGH A hierarchy of Truths: – True enough to imagine a conceptual relationship – True enough for me to feel good about myself. – True enough for me to take actions that produce positive results. – True enough for me to not cause others to react negatively to me. – True enough to resolve a conflict without subjective opinion among my fellow people with similar values. – True enough to resolve a conflict without subjective opinion across different peoples with different values. – True regardless of all opinions or perspectives. – Tautologically true: in that the two things are equal TRUE ENOUGH FOR THE CONSEQUENCES OF ERROR
    May 26, 2018 12:51pm
  • “Do Men have a duty of violence or privilege of guardianship?”—Brian Barr

    —“Do Men have a duty of violence or privilege of guardianship?”—Brian Barr


    Source date (UTC): 2018-05-26 18:02:00 UTC

  • IF YOU OWN YOUR COMMONS AS A MEMBER OF THE SHAREHOLDERS WE CALL MILITIA – YOU HA

    IF YOU OWN YOUR COMMONS AS A MEMBER OF THE SHAREHOLDERS WE CALL MILITIA – YOU HAVE A DUTY OF VIOLENCE.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-05-26 17:00:32 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1000421439974072321

  • IF YOU OWN YOUR COMMONS AS A MEMBER OF THE SHAREHOLDERS WE CALL MILITIA – YOU HA

    IF YOU OWN YOUR COMMONS AS A MEMBER OF THE SHAREHOLDERS WE CALL MILITIA – YOU HAVE A DUTY OF VIOLENCE.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-05-26 13:00:00 UTC