Theme: Religion

  • GRAMMARS: THEOLOGY, IDEOLOGY, PHILOSOPHY, SCIENCE, LAW THEOLOGY: a system (parad

    GRAMMARS: THEOLOGY, IDEOLOGY, PHILOSOPHY, SCIENCE, LAW

    THEOLOGY: a system (paradigm) of organizing populations for the purpose of obtaining their obedience.

    IDEOLOGY: a system (paradigm) of organizing populations for the purpose of influencing political policy.

    PHILOSOPHY: a system (paradigm) of organization and decidability for the purpose of satisfying particular preferences.

    SCIENCE: a system (paradigm) of organization and decidability for the purpose of producing universally coherent descriptions

    LAW: a system (paradigm) of organization and decidability for the purpose of universally resolving disputes

    Grammar: Paradigm, Vocabulary, Logic of internal consistency with that vocabulary in that paradigm. For producing references (nouns), states (phrases), transactions (sentences), stories (ledgers) of changes in state (operations), by continuous recursive disambiguation. Langauge = measurement = accounting, and coherence = balancing the scale.

    All civilizations produce a group strategy, a mythos (archetypes, narratives), rituals (religion) to perpetuate it, a means (grammar) of arguing in favor of it.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-07-22 12:18:00 UTC

  • THE SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE Cognitive Process: Sensation(Senses) -> … Model-Forma

    THE SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE

    Cognitive Process:

    Sensation(Senses) ->

    … Model-Formation(perception) ->

    … … auto association(memory) ->

    … … … auto prediction (imagination) ->

    … … … … auto-response (emotion) ->

    … … … … … TRUST, SUBMISSION, PACK RESPONSE:

    … … … … … … 1. TO DOMINANCE (High)

    … … … … … … … 2. TO COOPERATION

    … … … … … … … … 3. TO CARE

    … … … … … … … … … 4. TO PACK, BE WITH PACK (Low)

    … … (continuous feedback loop to auto-association(memory).)

    Moreover, language requires suggestion. Langauge consists of storytelling. Storytellingproduces model formation.

    So… mix language, storytelling, model formation and … boom.

    So you can train yourself to habituate this submission response and to revel in the calm of it just as surely as you can train yourself to habituate the dominance response in business, sport, or war.

    All religions are designed to train you into this submission response.

    Stoicism-Epicureanism is not.

    It teaches you insulation from signal pressures.

    It is the only non-submissive, non-avoidance religion.

    With buddhism ‘avoidance’ rather than submission.

    But stoicism-epicureanism lack political aspect.

    They requires paganism (a portfolio of heroes to imitate depending upon one’s talents and preferences)


    Source date (UTC): 2020-07-22 12:02:00 UTC

  • AUTO-ASSOCIATION AND THE BRIDGE TO RELIGION —“Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, and

    AUTO-ASSOCIATION AND THE BRIDGE TO RELIGION

    —“Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle are a kind of break away Indo-European Gothar. In the same light of Zoroaster and Buddha. But I don’t believe you can have “science” as religion as pure logic.”—Bjorn Asbrandsson

    You can, you just choose different heroes of history, and understand how the brain makes auto-associations.

    God: tiwaz/tyr, spiritual leadesr: odin-mind/thor-body, lawgiver: aristotle, statesman: aurelius, general: caesar, hero: alexander, warrior: Achilles; and debts to ancestors (spirits), nature (spirits), the universe(spirits) itself.

    That’s my pantheon.

    And my religion is painfully scientific (realism, naturalism, operationalism, auto-association) Its the auto-association that bridges science with what we call religion or faith.

    Took me a lot of work to figure that out.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-07-22 11:22:00 UTC

  • RELIGION IS A TECHNOLOGY. WE DONT NEED TO PROVE IT”S TRUE. JUST JUDGE ITS EFFECT

    RELIGION IS A TECHNOLOGY. WE DONT NEED TO PROVE IT”S TRUE. JUST JUDGE ITS EFFECTS (GOOD AND BAD)

    by Frey Harman (edited for clarity)

    What we need to do is disprove this idea of needing to prove things. [CD: Or claim religion is ‘true’ rather than effective and quite possibly necessary.]

    Religion is a technology. Technology either works or it doesn’t. Science can’t do anything to technology except explain it. If we demarcate science from technology, science seeks general rules of the universe – to understand. Technology is usually developed by trial and error to serve a purpose – to act. And, [psychlogial and social] technology isn’t even based on science, nor informed by science. Often, technology outpaces science. I’m not sure why philosophy would have any more to say about the matter of religion as a technology than science does: regardless of whether it’s true or what general rules religions follow, the technology works or doesn’t, and works beneficially or harmfully.

    Nassim Taleb was somewhat influential in snapping me out of the false dichotomy between atheism and monotheistic fundamentalism – making me realize they’re two sides of the same coin; two interpretations derived ultimately from the same error. The error of taking things too literally.

    —“When someone discusses religious beliefs, he does not necessarily mean belief in the epistemic sense, and the relevance of the epistemic sense of the term decreases the further back ones goes in the fixation of the creed. Rather, such notions are rather closer to the root of “belief”: beloved, a sense of commitment, something related to the notion of trust. It is not coincidental that “credere” is related to letter of credit or financial transactions that entail trust (see Armstrong 1994; Boyer 2001). …. Accordingly it is an extremely naive interpretation to think that religious ‘beliefs’ map to the ‘justified true belief’ standards of modern epistemology (see Ichikawa and Steup 2014); it is naive to examine the supernatural aspect of religion as anything but epiphenomenal. One needs to think of religious ‘belief’ as closer to a form of trusting, as a form of action, or a willingness to take action, and, most crucially of all, as a set of interdicts upon action. Further, religion establishes a categorical demarcation between sacred and profane, and one that cannot be violated (see Eliade 1959). The sacred is not open to ‘rationalization’ what we don’t understand is not necessarily irrational, and it might have reasons that can be probed only across generations of experience and experimentation.”— Taleb

    —-

    By CurtD

    Great quote.

    This is correct.

    I state the same thing in economic language: by Belief (love, trust, respect, submission of self), religion (debt performance, oath), and anthropomorphisms (systems of measurement, choice, in payment of debt, in exchange for love and respect) provide the most intuitive system of behavior manageable by man.

    So as usual, Taleb is less ‘scientific’ and more ‘literary’ than I am. 😉


    Source date (UTC): 2020-07-22 10:19:00 UTC

  • Not necessary. I just read Pew research, and google alerts for “church attendanc

    Not necessary. I just read Pew research, and google alerts for “church attendance” and a few other keywords. 😉 the most interesting are churches for sale, and church revenues.

    Rough estimate is two more generations.

    https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/


    Source date (UTC): 2020-07-22 03:41:41 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1285782037702508544

    Reply addressees: @trisidorou

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1285780094749937664

  • Not necessary. I just read Pew research, and google alerts for “church attendanc

    Not necessary. I just read Pew research, and google alerts for “church attendance” and a few other keywords. 😉 the most interesting are churches for sale, and church revenues.

    Rough estimate is two more generations.

    https://t.co/ehsABS0Xg5

    Reply addressees: @trisidorou

  • Data: your church will be gone in the next generation. Your religion is now a fo

    Data: your church will be gone in the next generation. Your religion is now a fo

    Data: your church will be gone in the next generation. Your religion is now a folk cult that will be eradicated by the state as soon as it has enough votes to do so. Votes made possible by Christian tolerance and universalism. https://t.co/RwfWwuEzVf


    Source date (UTC): 2020-07-22 03:28:57 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1285778835519217664

    Reply addressees: @VrotherJohn

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1285777056178077699

  • Data: your church will be gone in the next generation. Your religion is now a fo

    Data: your church will be gone in the next generation. Your religion is now a fo

    Data: your church will be gone in the next generation. Your religion is now a folk cult that will be eradicated by the state as soon as it has enough votes to do so. Votes made possible by Christian tolerance and universalism. https://t.co/RwfWwuEzVf

    Reply addressees: @VrotherJohn

  • Age-Old “Athens and Jerusalem” Aristotelianism (europeans) and Abrahamism (jews)

    Age-Old “Athens and Jerusalem”
    Aristotelianism (europeans) and Abrahamism (jews)

    Philosophy as the religion of the aristocracy (male violence), vs theology as the religion of the peasantry (female undermining)

    Male Political Superpredators vs Female Social Superpredators.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-07-22 00:43:51 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1285737286169231360

    Reply addressees: @noxaxis1

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1285736241472966656

  • Age-Old “Athens and Jerusalem” Aristotelianism (europeans) and Abrahamism (jews)

    Age-Old “Athens and Jerusalem”
    Aristotelianism (europeans) and Abrahamism (jews)

    Philosophy as the religion of the aristocracy (male violence), vs theology as the religion of the peasantry (female undermining)

    Male Political Superpredators vs Female Social Superpredators.

    Reply addressees: @noxaxis1