Why They Emphasize Intersubjectively Verifiable Property https://propertarianism.com/2020/05/28/why-they-emphasize-intersubjectively-verifiable-property/
Source date (UTC): 2020-05-28 20:03:36 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266097815819882502
Mar 22, 2020, 1:43 PM I can’t always come into possession (exclusive control) over those things in which I’ve demonstrated an interest (by bearing a cost so that I can demonstrate an interest). Just because I have invested doesn’t mean I can come into possession of what I’ve invested in. Awareness > opportunity > resources > demonstrated Interest > (common share > contractual share > possession in fact) This is why reductio analysis fails. And it’s why the jewish libertarians emphasize reductio analysis to bait you into hazard. And why they emphasize intersubjectively verifiable property (physical) rather than demonstrated interests in property in toto, in order to bait you into hazard.
Mar 22, 2020, 1:43 PM I can’t always come into possession (exclusive control) over those things in which I’ve demonstrated an interest (by bearing a cost so that I can demonstrate an interest). Just because I have invested doesn’t mean I can come into possession of what I’ve invested in. Awareness > opportunity > resources > demonstrated Interest > (common share > contractual share > possession in fact) This is why reductio analysis fails. And it’s why the jewish libertarians emphasize reductio analysis to bait you into hazard. And why they emphasize intersubjectively verifiable property (physical) rather than demonstrated interests in property in toto, in order to bait you into hazard.
Everything a (((libertarian))) Says Is a Lie. https://propertarianism.com/2020/05/28/everything-a-libertarian-says-is-a-lie/
Source date (UTC): 2020-05-28 19:16:52 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266086053108211713
Mar 23, 2020, 12:08 PM
–“Property is dirived from the axiom of self ownership ie, we own ourselves. External property is defined by labor investment – either direct labor such as, “I made this walking stick” or indirect labor such as “I bought this walking stick” or also indirectly as a title gift as “I was given this walking stick” or by contract such as, “I am making payments on this walking stick.””—JWarren Prescott
No. Property is the result of seeking cooperation, trust, loyalty, and non-conflict between warriors dependent upon one another under the strategy and tactics of voluntary entrepreneurial warfare using maneuver. Sovereignty, and once we have sovereignty, reciprocity is required. From that all western civilization arises. Now what is difference between the PRESUMPTION of an impossibility of the sophistry of ‘self ownership’ and the evidentiary necessity of sovereignty and reciprocity among voluntary warriors (see organization of piracy). The difference is using the sophistry of self ownership to circumvent the need for a universal militia responsible for creating sovereignty and reciprocity from which property is the result. Everything a (((libertarian))) says is a lie. Let me say that again
(a) everything a libertarian says is a lie. (b) every philosophical argument is a lie. (c) if you cannot construct an argument from physical and natural law it’s a lie. (d) people lie.
Mar 23, 2020, 12:08 PM
–“Property is dirived from the axiom of self ownership ie, we own ourselves. External property is defined by labor investment – either direct labor such as, “I made this walking stick” or indirect labor such as “I bought this walking stick” or also indirectly as a title gift as “I was given this walking stick” or by contract such as, “I am making payments on this walking stick.””—JWarren Prescott
No. Property is the result of seeking cooperation, trust, loyalty, and non-conflict between warriors dependent upon one another under the strategy and tactics of voluntary entrepreneurial warfare using maneuver. Sovereignty, and once we have sovereignty, reciprocity is required. From that all western civilization arises. Now what is difference between the PRESUMPTION of an impossibility of the sophistry of ‘self ownership’ and the evidentiary necessity of sovereignty and reciprocity among voluntary warriors (see organization of piracy). The difference is using the sophistry of self ownership to circumvent the need for a universal militia responsible for creating sovereignty and reciprocity from which property is the result. Everything a (((libertarian))) says is a lie. Let me say that again
(a) everything a libertarian says is a lie. (b) every philosophical argument is a lie. (c) if you cannot construct an argument from physical and natural law it’s a lie. (d) people lie.
Mar 23, 2020, 12:59 PM You can have a natural interest in your children. You can have a demonstrated interest in yourself, and in your children. If you claim self ownership you are confusing OWNERSHIP with NATURAL INTEREST and DEMONSTRATED INTEREST. You can have a natural interest in something. You can have a demonstrated interest in something, You can possess something, You can defend it yourself, or with other by normative means, or with a polity by institutional means. But to OWN a thing requires INSTITUTIONS that insure your control over it by the organized application of violenc. Libertarian pilpul conflates demand for, with existence of, in order to avoid starting with the first cause of sovereignty and reciprocity by the necessity of defense. You cannot magically impose fantasy on others. You must CONSTRUCT the institution of property and property rights by reciprocal defense. There are no existential ‘rights’. Only demand for them. They are created by the organized application of violence to defend them. Why would slaves not rely on the organized application of violence instead of idealisms out of ether and the threat of ostracization? Because they are powerless and poor. Why would aristocracy state the truth: property and property rights are organized application of violence? Because they are powerful and not poor. STOP THE LIBERTARIAN LIE DISAMBUGUATION?
ignorance > opportunity > natural interest > demonstrated interest or not > possession (or not) > property (norm) or not > property rights (institutions) or not.
All libertarian thought is lying to avoid the natural law of sovereignty and reciprocity so that libertarians can escape responsibility and liability FOR OTHERS. It’s all pilpul. It’s all using platonism (ideal terms, out of thin air) without accounting for causality.
Mar 23, 2020, 12:59 PM You can have a natural interest in your children. You can have a demonstrated interest in yourself, and in your children. If you claim self ownership you are confusing OWNERSHIP with NATURAL INTEREST and DEMONSTRATED INTEREST. You can have a natural interest in something. You can have a demonstrated interest in something, You can possess something, You can defend it yourself, or with other by normative means, or with a polity by institutional means. But to OWN a thing requires INSTITUTIONS that insure your control over it by the organized application of violenc. Libertarian pilpul conflates demand for, with existence of, in order to avoid starting with the first cause of sovereignty and reciprocity by the necessity of defense. You cannot magically impose fantasy on others. You must CONSTRUCT the institution of property and property rights by reciprocal defense. There are no existential ‘rights’. Only demand for them. They are created by the organized application of violence to defend them. Why would slaves not rely on the organized application of violence instead of idealisms out of ether and the threat of ostracization? Because they are powerless and poor. Why would aristocracy state the truth: property and property rights are organized application of violence? Because they are powerful and not poor. STOP THE LIBERTARIAN LIE DISAMBUGUATION?
ignorance > opportunity > natural interest > demonstrated interest or not > possession (or not) > property (norm) or not > property rights (institutions) or not.
All libertarian thought is lying to avoid the natural law of sovereignty and reciprocity so that libertarians can escape responsibility and liability FOR OTHERS. It’s all pilpul. It’s all using platonism (ideal terms, out of thin air) without accounting for causality.
Mar 23, 2020, 1:04 PM Claiming the existence of potential interest, natural interest, and demonstrated interests are true. Claiming the existence of Ownership is a lie. Property is a lie. Property rights is a lie. Potential, natural, demonstrated interests, and possession exist in fact, independent of others. Property and Property Rights, and as a result that legal Ownership must be constructed by cooperation using the organized application of violence by others to ensure them. Everything libertarianism said was sophistry to avoid the necessity of producing commons at personal cost and of defense of those commons at personal cost. Why? Jewish diaspora (rothbard, rand). German Free Cities (hoppe) under which the magical authority of the empire and its taxes were somehow an oppressor rather than a producer of defense under which commercial civilization was possible.
Mar 23, 2020, 1:04 PM Claiming the existence of potential interest, natural interest, and demonstrated interests are true. Claiming the existence of Ownership is a lie. Property is a lie. Property rights is a lie. Potential, natural, demonstrated interests, and possession exist in fact, independent of others. Property and Property Rights, and as a result that legal Ownership must be constructed by cooperation using the organized application of violence by others to ensure them. Everything libertarianism said was sophistry to avoid the necessity of producing commons at personal cost and of defense of those commons at personal cost. Why? Jewish diaspora (rothbard, rand). German Free Cities (hoppe) under which the magical authority of the empire and its taxes were somehow an oppressor rather than a producer of defense under which commercial civilization was possible.