Theme: Property

  • “My five year old understand reciprocity.Next I’m going to teach him property in

    —“My five year old understand reciprocity.Next I’m going to teach him property in toto. Then skull pyramid building.”—Noah J Revoy


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-14 20:21:00 UTC

  • MORE by James Fox Higgins (gold) I think you’ve misunderstood the purpose of pro

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    by James Fox Higgins

    (gold)

    I think you’ve misunderstood the purpose of propertarianism (as I had for a long time, and as many do). Curt is attempting to codify in language the natural law (the law of empirical science) first and foremost. Secondly, he’s writing a constitution that aligns with his natural law. If people choose to attempt to vie for power and implement this, then they may. But Propertarianism’s point is not to rule, it’s to be truthful.

    So, if your reputation is damaged by the TRUTH, then you have damaged your own property; which demonstrates foolishness, assuming the culture around you isn’t completely retarded. For instance, people like you and me Nicola already have a “reputation” among leftists as being “bigots” or whatever. We don’t care much because we know they’re idiots… but we care to the extent that it affects our prospects. So if you live in such a hypothetical society that equally values truth and your reputation is sullied by the truth of your actions being known, then nobody has imposed a cost upon you but you yourself. You can choose to continue in folly and let your reputation further diminish, or you can choose to repair and rebuild it through truthful action that the community smiles upon; thus engaging with the Christian practise of repentance and forgiveness, which is an ideal, and one that I wholly believe in.

    Propertarianism’s practical goal is to enshrine truth into law, and to defend truth by punishing lies.

    At no point have I suggested that violence is the only means by which people defend their reputation, nor is it often the appropriate means. Especially if your reputation is damaged by your own actions being know – getting violent won’t help at all. It would be completely irrational. You would be imposing a cost upon others.

    But again, you’re leaping forward into a hypothetical propertarian society to make a case against what is essentially a philosophical principle. You don’t need propertarianism or a propertarian society to recognise the different between ideals and realities (oughts and ises).

    We agree that people ought not use violence as the first choice in defence, but rather as a final recourse. That’s because we’re Christians. Many Muslims don’t agree or subscribe to this ideal, so they won’t care if we do. Moral arguments cower in the presence of actual violence. So just because we say “you ought not strike first” doesn’t mean others won’t strike first. The NAP is out the window when it’s not agreed to by the second party. You and I are only free to quibble about such things because a 3rd party (the state in this case) applies violence every day to ensure it. As the state begins to derelict its duty to violence, more onus falls upon us to engage with it directly (hence the breakdown of social cohesion and the requirement for preparation).

    You keep inferring that I hunger for violence. I don’t. I hunger for justice (i.e. the victory of truth). When words fail, violence is the last recourse and gold standard by which justice is dealt (and that is and always has been the empirically reality of man – that’s what our current legal system is; systemised violence). It may not be ideal, but it’s real.


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-14 19:46:00 UTC

  • (must read) by James Fox Higgins I’m seeing a number of people who are strugglin

    (must read)

    by James Fox Higgins

    I’m seeing a number of people who are struggling with some of the core ideas of Curt Doolittle’s Propertarianism like property-in-toto which observes that one man’s ideal of the concept “property” may differ from another’s, just as in some cultures women are considered a man’s property which we in the Christian west find abhorrent. But the reality remains: in the Islamic state, women ARE the property of their men. It doesn’t make it morally right. It’s just an empirical fact.

    I thought Curt was Satan incarnate until it clicked for me that he is not in the business of moralisms like just about every other philosopher is. He’s not dealing with Platonic ideals. He’s dealing with Aristotelean empiricism. Not what ought to be (which is culturally relative), but what is (which is empirical).

    Words like “legitimate property” are ideals, but fail to argue against what really occurs: people defend with force that which they consider to be theirs. Those with the greater will to power, control such moral definitions. You really think the men of radical Islam will care about our Christian moralisms if they gain control of our lands? Might doesn’t make make right, might makes rule.

    You can talk about property moralistically if you like, but it has no bearing on the empirical reality. Wishful thinking seldom changes the reality of those who don’t accept your definitions but do have a greater will to power.

    This is what propertarianism is about: using language to describe what actually is, not what ought to be. Your ideals-based definitions of property are fine if you preface them with “I prefer” or “I wish” or “what would be ideal to me is” or “what is most in line with Christian ethics is”… But when it comes down to it… Bane OWNED Gotham city, until Batman took it back. Morality is only as good (in practise) as those with the will to protect it.

    Morality is God-given, but it is protected by the will and flesh of men. If you won’t fight for what is yours and what you believe in your heart to be right, you’re just relying on others to do it for you so you can quibble over the language of “legitimate property”. When the barbarians take your lands, livestock, and women, it is (empirically) theirs. Same applies to anything you value. Own it and defend it, or accept that others will.


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-14 17:24:00 UTC

  • (all rent and mortgage prices would equilibrate to consume the $1000 increase ju

    (all rent and mortgage prices would equilibrate to consume the $1000 increase just as all home and rental prices equilibrate to consume all regional differences in income. So it won’t matter. )
    #YangGang


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-13 17:32:46 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105884419427057670

  • The number of people who use the word proof without knowing ‘proof of what?’ The

    The number of people who use the word proof without knowing ‘proof of what?’ The number of people who use the term NAP without knowing the answer to “aggression against what?’ The number of people who use the term ‘moral’ without knowing the answer to ‘define moral’. These are term of convention – half truths. We use as if we have even the vaguest idea what they men other than to justify a prior.


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-13 09:25:00 UTC

  • Propertarianism SIMPLY Explained via @YouTube

    Propertarianism SIMPLY Explained https://youtu.be/UAVmWGDD50M via @YouTube


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-08 10:48:15 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1103970681044254721

  • by Philip Clark Curt how would propertianism handle complex things in society li

    by Philip Clark

    Curt how would propertianism handle

    complex things in society like

    1. Alcohol, Drugs

    2. Pornography

    3. Abortion

    4. Death penalty

    Other controversial stuff that have some negative side effects to society that’s legal to some degree in the US right now.

    I know this is diving deep into the weeds and there’s way bigger problems to solve before hand.

    This would be an interesting video for John Mark to do a video.

    —Answer—

    I’ve answered all of these before but lets condense them here:

    1. ALCOHOL AND DRUGS

    GIVEN

    a) Family and Commons (conservatism/capitalization) take priority over individual satisfaction (hedonism/consumption) – this is the inverse of ‘individualism’ and returns us to ‘familialism’ – intergenerational production instead of temporal consumption.

    b) Alcohol and drugs are no one’s business unless externalized into the commons.

    c) Unfortunately they are frequently externalized into the commons. Therefore the question of alcohol and drugs are empirical (outputs) not blanket (inputs). And therefore a local community decision – not a universally decidable question.

    But that does not mean that we cannot define a point of demarcation.

    We can:

    d) Technically speaking you are no longer human (rational) when not in control, unable to perform due diligence, exposing others to hazard, and therefore have no rights in the commons, because you cannot engage in reciprocity. Therefore you lose your sovereignty because you no longer can demonstrate it.

    I really don’t know why you have the right to be drunk or stoned in public, and I know for certain you can’t claim the right to disconnect (heroin) or trip (hallucinate) in public. What you do on a boat, in the wilderness, or in your home, is up to you. Unfortunately this takes most of the joy out of recreational drugs. That said, if no one can tell, no one can tell.

    e) it is very hard to i) claim recreational use is a bad, ii) claim therapeutic use is a bad, iii) claim self medication in modernity is a bad, UNLESS iv) instead of self medication we provide both conditions non-hostile to mindfulness and provide mindfulness training (Stoicism etc) to the same degree that devotion does (continuous repetition and enforcement), and insurance (medical care, charity) to one another in case we fail and self medication is the only coince. (IMO, suicide should be an option, since all must have the right of exit.)

    f) The line of demarcation is crossed at (v) externalization of addiction. There can be no ‘right to addiction’. Empirically speaking, we should provide death sentences for addicts, or those engage in crime to finance addiction, or those who sell drugs to those who are addicts or engage in grim to finance addiction. (“The Duerte Rule”).

    2. PORNOGRAPHY

    There is no right to anything in public other than quietly walking down a public way or ‘necessary way’ (hedgerow) staring at your feet and keeping your mouths shut.

    We are currently running an experiment in Pornography. This experiment appears to a) suppress sexual frustration due to easy masturbation, b) dramatically reduce male sex drive and competitiveness (producing docility), c) produce sexual dysfunction in males, c) reduce sex crime, d) but feed extreme deviants (pedophiles, etc) – since novelty is part of the excitement that generates sexual stimulation we must run to extremes.

    There is no evidence that the human body (nudity) is a bad thing in public – probably just the opposite. There is evidence that infidelity may follow the degree of nudity in public (I can’t be sure of this). There is some evidence that limiting the range of pornography (which the industry does fairly well) might be of a benefit. There is some evidence that studio quality ‘romantic porn’ is not only not bad but instructive. There is plenty of evidence men are losing the skills (patience) taught to my generation during the 70’s.

    Ergo, if it’s not in public, and meets propertarian criteria, it is a matter of choice. It it externalizes into the public then it’s a violation. This is an empirical statement, and nothing else is decidable. I would recommend a park-like public since online access in private is universally available.

    3. ABORTION

    Search my site for my works on abortion. Net is that it’s undecidable. And therefore a matter of local choice.

    4. DEATH PENALTY

    The experiment with eliminating the death penalty has been a failure – a catastrophic one, and in our constitution I have corrected this to some degree and given license to restore even lynching.

    So the only difficult question here is drugs. The rest are pretty simple.


    Source date (UTC): 2019-03-07 12:55:00 UTC

  • WE DON”T SELL PROP., WE SELL APPLICATIONS OF PROP. —“if we wish for P to grow

    WE DON”T SELL PROP., WE SELL APPLICATIONS OF PROP.

    —“if we wish for P to grow and become widespread we have to make it attractive to many people – not just a niche group of westerners.”—

    Agreed. But we don’t’ sell P, we sell application of p, any more than we sell programming languages rather than programs that do stuff.

    P serves as a programming language for social orders.


    Source date (UTC): 2019-02-28 13:00:00 UTC

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    photos_and_videos/TimelinePhotos_SxeO6JU-xg/52702681_10157018306777264_2367313453032407040_n_10157018306772264.jpg —“Proprietarianism-You can have my donut if I can have yours and no one else gets harmed in the process”–Greg Grzywacz

    He forgot the last bit.

    —…. Otherwise, either you don’t get my donut, and if you even try, I’m going to end you and eat both our donuts.”–CurtDNicholas Christopher RichardWhat’s the propertarian donut ethic?Feb 28, 2019, 11:50 AMFrancesco PrincipiPrincipi I prefer womenFeb 28, 2019, 11:51 AMZach MattoNicholas Christopher Richard Incremental suppression of people eating more donuts than they’ve earned = the west…?Feb 28, 2019, 12:04 PMMicah PezdirtzLocke, Nietzsche and heraclitusFeb 28, 2019, 12:25 PMDaniel OgburnMarx description/analogy is shockingly wrong.

    Some of the others are shaky at best.Feb 28, 2019, 12:27 PMDaniel OgburnAlso,

    Freud — the donut is a symbol of man’s sexual desire.

    Jung — the shape of the donut

    Is a result your childhood

    templates.

    Ogburn — If you’re fat, don’t eat the

    donut.Feb 28, 2019, 12:30 PMDaniel OgburnAlso Ogburn — the donut is anything homeomorphic to s1 x s1Feb 28, 2019, 12:31 PMDaniel OgburnDavin Eastley — the donut reminds me of my sisters.Feb 28, 2019, 12:32 PMDavin Eastleyit’s a teacupFeb 28, 2019, 12:32 PMCurt DoolittleMarx: the classes are at war instead of tripartite, rather than the semites and the aryan are at war, and the semites can’t develop morals and ethics of high trust commons.Feb 28, 2019, 12:38 PMEric BlankenburgThere is something to be said for the directness and simplicity of Locke. ;)Feb 28, 2019, 12:43 PMDavin EastleyPrevent the theft of donuts from the commons.Feb 28, 2019, 12:49 PMDavin EastleyProtect the donut commons from parasitism.Feb 28, 2019, 12:49 PMThorsten NorgateBill & Ted version – All we are is doughnuts in the wind, Dude.Feb 28, 2019, 12:50 PMShannon Constantine Logandonut in totoFeb 28, 2019, 1:29 PMJWarren Prescottfreud was rightFeb 28, 2019, 1:37 PMGreg GrzywaczProprietarianism-You can have my donut if I can have yours and no one else gets harmed in the processFeb 28, 2019, 2:05 PMCurt DoolittlepricelessFeb 28, 2019, 2:07 PMCurt Doolittleadded to op.Feb 28, 2019, 2:08 PMMichael BurkeDerrida: donut, eclair, muffin? What the difference?Feb 28, 2019, 2:19 PMPiero ThymiopoulosWithout a means of power to obtain the donut, one simply can’t obtain it.Feb 28, 2019, 9:44 PMAdrian Folkersamlet’s get this (glazed) bread kingsMar 1, 2019, 3:11 PMBill JoslinReciprocity is shaped like DonutMar 1, 2019, 4:53 PMRob RandallStealing this picture.Mar 1, 2019, 5:14 PMGünther Shroomachersounds weird 😀

    edit: let’s make donut together and make sure no one else gets harmed in the processMar 1, 2019, 9:44 PMEric RushNeeds some Lord BerkeleyMar 3, 2019, 5:55 PM—“Proprietarianism-You can have my donut if I can have yours and no one else gets harmed in the process”–Greg Grzywacz

    He forgot the last bit.

    —…. Otherwise, either you don’t get my donut, and if you even try, I’m going to end you and eat both our donuts.”–CurtD


    Source date (UTC): 2019-02-28 11:38:00 UTC

  • ANARCHISM VS PROPERTARIANISM “Anarchism” means POLYLOGICAL polycentric law, of v

    ANARCHISM VS PROPERTARIANISM

    “Anarchism” means POLYLOGICAL polycentric law, of voluntary exchange independent of warranty and externality.

    “Propertarianism” ‘s Rule of Law means MONOLOGICAL polycentric (market) law of productive, fully informed, warrantied, voluntary exchange, limited to positive externalities.

    Libertarianism = jewish (semitic) Ghetto Ethics,

    and;

    Propertarianism = Anglo Saxon (germanic) Aristocratic ethics.


    Source date (UTC): 2019-02-27 09:55:00 UTC