Theme: Measurement

  • Everything you’d want to know is covered in this book. It’s available on libgen

    Everything you’d want to know is covered in this book. It’s available on libgen dot is.
    https://t.co/2uqAgpxRKh
    But it’s also an academic treatment that might be less helpful. Most pop science books are trash.

    There are better people than I to interview on the subject. My area of expertise is in the operational explanation of the brain, mind, personality, and variations in demonstrated intelligence. IQ tests are largely seeking for biological intelligence (neutrality). I’m largely seeking what improves or interferes with the demonstration of whatever intelligence you have, how to educate differently from today, and the social, political, and economic consequences of demonstrated intelligence.

    But If you were to write a set of questions ahead of time I might be willing to do an interview. Beause I assume people are actually more interested in my work than the IQ tests themselves – which you can’t do much about.

    Cheers


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-13 12:05:43 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646484811312242689

  • Everything you’d want to know is covered in this book. It’s available on libgen

    Everything you’d want to know is covered in this book. It’s available on libgen dot is.
    https://www.amazon.com/Contemporary-Intellectual-Assessment-Theories-Issues/dp/146255203X
    But it’s also an academic treatment that might be less helpful. Most pop science books are trash.

    There are better people than I to interview on the subject. My area…


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-13 12:05:43 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646484811442188288

    Reply addressees: @zmb_bllbry_mffn

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646462987430170625

  • “Q: CURT; WHY IS NASSIM TALEB TRYING TO ARGUE AGAINST IQ TESTING?” Simple: (a) H

    “Q: CURT; WHY IS NASSIM TALEB TRYING TO ARGUE AGAINST IQ TESTING?”
    Simple:
    (a) He’s claiming wealth is a proxy for demonstrated intelligence. (false)
    (b) He’s claiming IQ has limited effect on income and wealth (true)
    (c) Where it does have effect it’s in those who lack enough of it. (false)
    (d) That there are other individual factors that matter as much or more – especially trait conscientiousness. But also manners, ethics, morals, and class signals of trust.
    (e) That there are other group factors that matter as much or more – the average intelligence of the group (meaning the ratio of the size of the underclass to the ‘smart fraction’ being a resistance)
    (f) That as intelligence increases marginal differences in demand for intelligence decrease, if for no other reason that at some point, you don’t have a large enough constituency for your ability and what you WANT to do with that ability to create surplus income and wealth. If for no other reason than your IQ *IS* your wealth, your entertainment, and your risk reduction.
    AND;
    (a) He has a chip on his shoulder that’s partly class and partly race.
    (b) He’s trying to defend a race and culture difference by claiming it doesn’t exist.
    (c) He’s trying to preserve the falsehood that his ‘fat tony’ character archetype is smart rather than IMMORAL.
    (d) He’s evading the fact that this particular IMMORALITY is what the west institutionally selects against.
    (e) And that morality is what companies are hiring for: productivity, morality, trustworthiness, and error detection. (Not gambling in financial markets that profits from others failures.) Because those are the traits that allow western civ organizations and institutions to scale, and prevent his culture’s organizations and institutions from scaling.
    (f) And this is why he’s ‘failed’ in his project – He tried to discover a measure of informational change that won’t be possible until we have a standard weight and measure from AGI. AND because the way we defend against immorality is sovereignty, reciprocity, truth before face, duty before self, embodied in the rule of law, of that natural law, that prevents the West turning into the low-trust middle east. (Which is what he’s saying is ‘smart’: the ethics of the bazaar.)
    (g) In other words, at the end of his rainbow he can’t face the fact that he’s discovered his ethics, his sense of being ‘smart’, his entire self-image, is just ‘immorality that is the reason for the failure of his culture’.
    (h) And so he’s using ‘mathiness’ and pseudoscience to attack IQ by claiming individual income is a proxy for intelligence, rather than all that matters for income by YOUR demonstrated intelligence in markets is everyone ELSE’s intelligence, and personality and norms, traditions, morals and institutions, which will cause a strong distribution to the left (inability) and a narrower distribution to the right (ability). If for no other reason than it’s increasingly difficult to gain marginal improvement in income when you’re competing with increasingly competent people (duh).

    IQ tests are correct. We could claim that prediction is more important than recall and recitation and test for that – but it’s very difficult. We could claim that we require personality and morality tests in addition to intelligence testing. And I’ve argued for that. And we could claim that a test of manners and agreeableness would help aslo. But the present IQ tests are just a measure of rates of learning demonstrated by performance against many types of problems- because that’s all IQ is: rate and breadth of neurological conductivity and associativity. It’s the same formula as transmission by undersea cables (all cables).

    Now I’ve stated this before, and I’ve written about Taleb’s ‘game’ extensively and I’ve made a video about it. He’s blocked me for stating it. And I think he’s intellectually dishonest to promote it. And given his disagreeableness systematizing and ego’s dominance expression (and yes, I’m one to talk, right? Because I’m almost as bad), it’s blatantly obvious what he’s trying to accomplish by defending his ethic, his work, and his culture from due criticism.

    I started out about the same time as Nassim doing about the same thing, except with primitive AI’s for military and simulation purposes. In that case ‘innovation’ (tail events, tail effects, meaning “innovations’) that are desired require far more information than we’d assume when it’s almost impossible for the behavior of such AI’s to become deterministic (and militarily useless). Nassim was taking the opposite view, of trying to predict rather than create tail events.

    I came to the same conclusion. But I didn’t try to ‘math’ my way out of it because as a computationalist rather than a mathematician (and there is a big difference). I was keenly aware of the limits of mathematics (and given Taleb’s fascination with Mandelbrot) he should have been also.

    Instead, as Hayek discovered, you can’t use math or positive legislation or positive economics to via-positiva produce a direct good. You can only use natural law in legislation, measured by economic innovation, to suppress all ‘bad things’ leaving the greatest window of opportunity for good things “innovation’.

    As in everything, when Babbage failed to convert his insights into a general theory, we lost a century to sophistry in math, logic, and philosophy, until we crashed and burned set and verbal logic, and it’s discipline in philosophy in the mid-last century. At least Wolfram is somewhat fitfully demonstrating it in his ‘math of state machines’, and we now know enough about the human brain, as demonstrated by the backward training of neural networks using language instead of evolving them from embodiment. (Didn’t see that one coming myself.)

    I hope this helps.

    Cheers
    Curt Doolittle
    The Natural Law Institute.


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-12 23:15:53 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646291076448223236

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646277900524720130

  • “Q: CURT; WHY IS NASSIM TALEB TRYING TO ARGUE AGAINST IQ TESTING?” Simple: (a) H

    “Q: CURT; WHY IS NASSIM TALEB TRYING TO ARGUE AGAINST IQ TESTING?”
    Simple:
    (a) He’s claiming wealth is a proxy for demonstrated intelligence. (false)
    (b) He’s claiming IQ has limited effect on income and wealth (true)
    (c) Where it does have effect it’s in those who lack enough of it. (false)
    (d) That there are other individual factors that matter as much or more – especially trait conscientiousness. But also manners, ethics, morals, and class signals of trust.
    (e) That there are other group factors that matter as much or more – the average intelligence of the group (meaning the ratio of the size of the underclass to the ‘smart fraction’ being a resistance)
    (f) That as intelligence increases marginal differences in demand for intelligence decrease, if for no other reason that at some point, you don’t have a large enough constituency for your ability and what you WANT to do with that ability to create surplus income and wealth. If for no other reason than your IQ *IS* your wealth, your entertainment, and your risk reduction.
    AND;
    (a) He has a chip on his shoulder that’s partly class and partly race.
    (b) He’s trying to defend a race and culture difference by claiming it doesn’t exist.
    (c) He’s trying to preserve the falsehood that his ‘fat tony’ character archetype is smart rather than IMMORAL.
    (d) He’s evading the fact that this particular IMMORALITY is what the west institutionally selects against.
    (e) And that morality is what companies are hiring for: productivity, morality, trustworthiness, and error detection. (Not gambling in financial markets that profits from others failures.) Because those are the traits that allow western civ organizations and institutions to scale, and prevent his culture’s organizations and institutions from scaling.
    (f) And this is why he’s ‘failed’ in his project – He tried to discover a measure of informational change that won’t be possible until we have a standard weight and measure from AGI. AND because the way we defend against immorality is sovereignty, reciprocity, truth before face, duty before self, embodied in the rule of law, of that natural law, that prevents the West turning into the low-trust middle east. (Which is what he’s saying is ‘smart’: the ethics of the bazaar.)
    (g) In other words, at the end of his rainbow he can’t face the fact that he’s discovered his ethics, his sense of being ‘smart’, his entire self-image, is just ‘immorality that is the reason for the failure of his culture’.
    (h) And so he’s using ‘mathiness’ and pseudoscience to attack IQ by claiming individual income is a proxy for intelligence, rather than all that matters for income by YOUR demonstrated intelligence in markets is everyone ELSE’s intelligence, and personality and norms, traditions, morals and institutions, which will cause a strong distribution to the left (inability) and a narrower distribution to the right (ability). If for no other reason than it’s increasingly difficult to gain marginal improvement in income when you’re competing with increasingly competent people (duh).

    IQ tests are correct. We could claim that prediction is more important than recall and recitation and test for that – but it’s very difficult. We could claim that we require personality and morality tests in addition to intelligence testing. And I’ve argued for that. And we could claim that a test of manners and agreeableness would help aslo. But the present IQ tests are just a measure of rates of learning demonstrated by performance against many types of problems- because that’s all IQ is: rate and breadth of neurological conductivity and associativity. It’s the same formula as transmission by undersea cables (all cables).

    Now I’ve stated this before, and I’ve written about Taleb’s ‘game’ extensively and I’ve made a video about it. He’s blocked me for stating it. And I think he’s intellectually dishonest to promote it. And given his disagreeableness systematizing and ego’s dominance expression (and yes, I’m one to talk, right? Because I’m almost as bad), it’s blatantly obvious what he’s trying to accomplish by defending his ethic, his work, and his culture from due criticism.

    I started out about the same time as Nassim doing about the same thing, except with primitive AI’s for military and simulation purposes. In that case ‘innovation’ (tail events, tail effects, meaning “innovations’) that are desired require far more information than we’d assume when it’s almost impossible for the behavior of such AI’s to become deterministic (and militarily useless). Nassim was taking the opposite view, of trying to predict rather than create tail events.

    I came to the same conclusion. But I didn’t try to ‘math’ my way out of it because as a computationalist rather than a mathematician (and there is a big difference). I was keenly aware of the limits of mathematics (and given Taleb’s fascination with Mandelbrot) he should have been also.

    Instead, as Hayek discovered, you can’t use math or positive legislation or positive economics to via-positiva produce a direct good. You can only use natural law in legislation, measured by economic innovation, to suppress all ‘bad things’ leaving the greatest window of opportunity for good things “innovation’.

    As in everything, when Babbage failed to convert his insights into a general theory, we lost a century to sophistry in math, logic, and philosophy, until we crashed and burned set and verbal logic, and it’s discipline in philosophy in the mid-last century. At least Wolfram is somewhat fitfully demonstrating it in his ‘math of state machines’, and we now know enough about the human brain, as demonstrated by the backward training of neural networks using language instead of evolving them from embodiment. (Didn’t see that one coming myself.)

    I hope this helps.

    Cheers
    Curt Doolittle
    The Natural Law Institute.

    Reply addressees: @Lord__Sousa @aldafa_ir @nntaleb


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-12 23:15:53 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646291075919740929

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646277900524720130

  • “Q: Curt; How did you come to these conclusions? Reading list somewhere?”— Inv

    –“Q: Curt; How did you come to these conclusions? Reading list somewhere?”—

    Inventing and applying the The Method (P-Method) and The Grammars (the Logics) to produce the First Principles of each of the sciences (Physical, Behavioral, Evolutionary, and Formal/Logical), which in turn results in a formal, operational, constructive logic of all existence. Then iteratively explaining everything in this constructive logic from entropy to mass to life to cooperation to speech to ideas. By rough analogy there is a logical equivalent to geometry that produces roughly the same utility: the ternary logic of evolutionary computation.

    I have no idea what that sounds like to you and I’m sure I wouldn’t understand what I wrote without having done it. Most of the team recommends it takes about a year to get your head around it, and two years or more to become fluent in it, and more to master it So it’s rougly the same as learning say, object oritented programming, database analysis and design, and systems analysis, along with the resulting design patterns. In that sense It’s harder than programming but easier than mathematics. Why? Nature is stuck with pretty simple tools, but it can produce anyting in vast numbers. So it’s a very simple state machine: it has only one rule (more), one means (ternary logic) and one process to accomplish it (evolutionary computation by combination and recombination).

    Reading list is possible. Multiple people in our group have worked through it. Martin Stepan (@TheAutistocrat) is a machine when it comes to devouring the literature. But it’s probably easier just to follow the team and learn.

    If you want our reading list it’s at, though I don’t believe it’s up to date.
    https://t.co/Nus5JIA88v


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-12 22:28:27 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646279137055633409

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646240253240397824

  • “Q: Curt; How did you come to these conclusions? Reading list somewhere?”— Inv

    –“Q: Curt; How did you come to these conclusions? Reading list somewhere?”—

    Inventing and applying the The Method (P-Method) and The Grammars (the Logics) to produce the First Principles of each of the sciences (Physical, Behavioral, Evolutionary, and Formal/Logical), which in turn results in a formal, operational, constructive logic of all existence. Then iteratively explaining everything in this constructive logic from entropy to mass to life to cooperation to speech to ideas. By rough analogy there is a logical equivalent to geometry that produces roughly the same utility: the ternary logic of evolutionary computation.

    I have no idea what that sounds like to you and I’m sure I wouldn’t understand what I wrote without having done it. Most of the team recommends it takes about a year to get your head around it, and two years or more to become fluent in it, and more to master it So it’s rougly the same as learning say, object oritented programming, database analysis and design, and systems analysis, along with the resulting design patterns. In that sense It’s harder than programming but easier than mathematics. Why? Nature is stuck with pretty simple tools, but it can produce anyting in vast numbers. So it’s a very simple state machine: it has only one rule (more), one means (ternary logic) and one process to accomplish it (evolutionary computation by combination and recombination).

    Reading list is possible. Multiple people in our group have worked through it. Martin Stepan (@TheAutistocrat) is a machine when it comes to devouring the literature. But it’s probably easier just to follow the team and learn.

    If you want our reading list it’s at, though I don’t believe it’s up to date.
    https://t.co/Nus5JIA88v

    Reply addressees: @apollonaut_ @TruthQuest11


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-12 22:28:27 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646279136866885632

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646240253240397824

  • Two things have occurred 1) the culture-neutral tests (good) 2) the deemphaizing

    Two things have occurred
    1) the culture-neutral tests (good)
    2) the deemphaizing of mathematical and emphasizing of verbal to reduce the divergence between the sexes. (I don’t know if it’s good, I’d rather see multiple scores)
    3) What hasn’t happened is the recognition that we…


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-12 18:52:29 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646224788120039424

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646224074224304137

  • IQ testing: Notice that the people who create the various IQ tests, including th

    IQ testing: Notice that the people who create the various IQ tests, including the SATs and LSATs, are as secretive a society as are intel and military R&D. None of them come out as a group and make public statements because they’d be afraid of being canceled. Yet if you talk to these people, most of whom are sophisticated statisticians with a deep understanding of the various human capacities we can test in order to determine a general measurement of intelligence, and how questions need to change over time by experimenting with various new questions, they’re extremely knowledgeable and competent.


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-12 14:20:50 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646156426379755525

  • IQ testing: Notice that the people who create the various IQ tests, including th

    IQ testing: Notice that the people who create the various IQ tests, including the SATs and LSATs, are as secretive a society as are intel and military R&D. None of them come out as a group and make public statements because they’d be afraid of being canceled. Yet if you talk to these people, most of whom are sophisticated statisticians with a deep understanding of the various human capacities we can test in order to determine a general measurement of intelligence, and how questions need to change over time by experimenting with various new questions, they’re extremely knowledgeable and competent.


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-12 14:20:50 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646156426274799618

  • No more lies: IQ and Stereotypes are the most accurate measures in the behaviora

    No more lies: IQ and Stereotypes are the most accurate measures in the behavioral sciences. Sorry. Deal. https://twitter.com/curtdoolittle/status/1646151389599485953