Theme: Measurement

  • Why the Threes?

    Feb 13, 2020, 10:00 AM

    —“The Propertarians are the only group that takes trinities seriously.”— (Humor)

    [I]t takes three points to prove a line. Or conversely, it takes at least three points to falsify any other point. Or said differently, it takes at least three markets to produce and equilibrium. It’s not a random thing – our emphasis on trifunctionalism, tripartism, and markets in everything. It’s the optimum order possible for maximizing all opportunities on one end while falsifying the maximum error, bias, irreciprocity and deceit on the other end.

  • WHY THE THREES? —“The Propertarians are the only group that takes trinities se

    WHY THE THREES?

    —“The Propertarians are the only group that takes trinities seriously.”—

    It takes three points to prove a line. Or conversely, it takes at least three points to falsify any other point. Or said differently, it takes at least three markets to produce and equilibrium.

    It’s not a random thing – our emphasis on trifunctionalism, tripartism, and markets in everything. It’s the optimum order possible for maximizing all opportunities on one end while falsifying the maximum error, bias, irreciprocity and deceit on the other end.Updated Feb 13, 2020, 10:00 AM


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-13 10:00:00 UTC

  • To equate sentience (feeling of changes in state), and awareness (of change inst

    To equate sentience (feeling of changes in state), and awareness (of change instate of environment) and semi-consiousness (prediction of future states and possible reactions), consciousness (prediction of future permutations of state), to transformations of state is a leap.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 19:38:56 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227678491539365890

    Reply addressees: @robinhanson

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227678025543757826


    IN REPLY TO:

    Unknown author

    @robinhanson So if the point is to clarify that the brain is just a collection of similar cells in various forms of organization, and that for all intents and purposes our brain is an outgrowth of our consciousness (modeling of our body and movement in space) yes.

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1227678025543757826

  • DO PARADIGMS REALLY FALSIFY? WHAT DOES ORDER MEAN? OPERATIONALISM IN ACTION Bett

    DO PARADIGMS REALLY FALSIFY? WHAT DOES ORDER MEAN? OPERATIONALISM IN ACTION

    Better way of saying it: There is one most parsimonous paradigm (We call it science. Now I call it ‘P-grammar’). There is no value in false paradigms. There is only value in different attempts to solve a problem within the most parsimonious paradigm.

    (Note: my position is that language is a system of measurement, and the p-grammars identify the paradigm, and that operationalism constitutions the universal grammar. That would mean the universe is always reducible to classical description.)

    —“All paradigms are eventually false. :)”—Rick Paris

    That’s demonstrably false. Instead, we increasingly identify limits that cause us to increase the parsimony of our theories.

    All scientific paradigms appear increase in parsimony. Aristotle, Newton, and Einstein all evolve to greater precision. Take Humors (disease) and Phlogiston theory (chemistry), Einstein’s static universe(cosmology), or the expanding earth (plate tectonics). They were false but they were progress in the right direction.

    Conversely there are three categories that always fail to increase in parsimony:

    1) Magic -> Pseudoscience (action-physical)

    2) Idealism -> Philosophy (verbal-rational)

    3) Occult -> Theology (emotional-intuitionistic)

    So we have deflationary grammars of Law, Science, Logic, and Mathematics that all increase in parsimony.

    And we have inflationary grammars of magic(physical), idealism(verbal), and the occult(emotional) that fail all tests of parsimony.

    Of course we also have the outright deceits too.

    —“It is not false. The Universe is expanding, in that what is outside the current momentary paradigm is defined as the Unknown. There is always greater amounts of the Unknown shifting our perceived facts of what is known, as the Unknown is always greater < than the known. So,”No man steps into the same river twice.” is a metaphor for all physical experience. Paradigms are currently, and simply limited and only limited by belief. All paradigms are fictitious mental constructs. Attempting to measure the illogical, is useless and limited the human potential. Logic is very tedious and limits the strongest aspects of the human mind. Only the imagination (what is common sense) is the part of us that can penetrate the very fabric of the Unknown. The greatest of all human gifts is the imagination. It is the function behind all, and cannot be interpreted by logic alone .This is not based in an opinion, it is based in my own experience.”—Rick Paris

    —“Curt I think I can see/agree a little with Rick. By the very nature of biology, you will always have a body of diversity, not just in capacity, but also concerns. The big fallacy is mistaking diversity for equality and/or dismissability. There will always be a need for more peasants than kings… This doesn’t mean that worker bees should rule the give (all you get is drones if such happens)… At the same time, if the king doesn’t address with reciprocity the needs of the peasants, you leave a tinder wound and a jealous rage ready to eat the rich and a cultural cancer that no longer gives a shit. Homogeny is the cultural cream that will come to the surface given time and peace (consistent enforced reciprocity).”—Anne Summers

    This is a long standing debate, and it’s a matter of grammatical deficiency in our language, so we must state our meaning operationally to avoid sophistry.

    ONE

    Does existence persist independent of our perception? Yes.

    Does the universe demonstrate regularities independent of our perception? Yes.

    Do we define order as I did above as the intersection of periodicity and scale of resolution?

    Or do we define order as the regularities what we might potentially identify at various periodicities and scales?

    Or do we define order as dependent upon those periodicities and scales we can measure and reduce to analogy to experience?

    Or do we define order as dependent upon the periodicity and scale open to our perception at human scale?

    Or do we define order as those permutations of paradigms – networks of relations – that vary between humans despite relative invariance of human perception at human scale – such as the asian perception of the world as continuous motion(coherent world) or the european perception of the world as discreet objects (mechanistic world).

    TWO

    As for paradigms, this depends upon whether it is possible, when specifying both theory(search criteria), operations (measurement criteria) and limits (full accounting) whether we maintain progress toward the most parsimonious description or not. So, given human perception, human system of measurements, and human chosen time scale, when stating a theory, measurement, and limit, we appear to have successfully – at least in the ancient and modern worlds – slowly evolved greater precision and parsimony – in math, logic, and the sciences at least. And this is why it’s not clear than any of Aristotle, Newton, or Einstein are false at their levels of resolution. Instead it’s fairly obvious that we have just been increasing the precision of the general theory we call description of the regularities observable directly or instrumental in the universe. So if one’s definition is IDEAL then yes, theories are frequently falsified. But if one’s definition is testimonial then it certainly appears that we are continuously increasing precision and that the number of false theories is rapidly decreasing.

    So, when you attempt to refute my definition, description, and proposition which definition of order are you using?


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-12 14:01:00 UTC

  • “Oh I totally get the plan. It’s particularly well presented here, put up next t

    —-“Oh I totally get the plan. It’s particularly well presented here, put up next to the parallel issues in mathematics and science. I’m mostly agreeing with you. I’m just saying the ENTIRE current paradigm is based on the necessity of occluding changes in the cultural balance sheet. … That also brings us back to this notion that “capital is a monster.” It is voracious. It doesn’t care about your culture, your people … it doesn’t care about anything but profit. So the process by which one goes to war with the monster that is capital is almost sure to be very very ugly. That’s why I said capital would not like what you propose.”—-


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-11 20:49:00 UTC

  • IMPROVING PARSIMONY OF THE CLAIM THAT ALL THEORIES ARE EVENTUALLY FALSIFIED Bett

    IMPROVING PARSIMONY OF THE CLAIM THAT ALL THEORIES ARE EVENTUALLY FALSIFIED

    Better way of saying it. There is one most parsimonious paradigm (We call it science. Now I call it ‘P’ or ‘testimony’).

    —“All paradigms are eventually false. :)”—

    That’s demonstrably false. Instead, we increasingly identify limits that cause us to increase the parsimony of our theories.

    All scientific paradigms appear increase in parsimony. Aristotle, Newton, and Einstein all evolve to greater precision. Take Humors (disease) and Phlogiston theory (chemistry), Einstein’s static universe(cosmology), or the expanding earth (plate tectonics). They were false but they were progress in the right direction.

    Conversely there are three categories that always fail to increase in parsimony:

    1) Magic -> Pseudoscience (action-physical)

    2) Idealism -> Philosophy (verbal-rational)

    3) Occult -> Theology (emotional-intuitionistic)

    So we have deflationary grammars of

    1) Science, 2)Logic, and 3) Mathematics that all increase in parsimony.

    And we have inflationary grammars of 1) magic(physical), 2) idealism(verbal), and 3) the occult(emotional) that fail all tests of parsimony.

    Of course we also have the outright deceits too.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-11 12:19:00 UTC

  • THE FUTURE IS OURS IF WE TAKE IT I started working on a commensurable language i

    THE FUTURE IS OURS IF WE TAKE IT

    I started working on a commensurable language in 92. I had understood the basic problem by 2001. I started working on the european group strategy in ’06. I started the equivalent of full time in ’09-’10 on a constitution. I started ‘going public’ in ’12. Just Eli and a few others were involved (those that promoted us I do know and appreciate). I started getting traction in ’14. You can see from the videos in ’14 that the system is pretty much outlined. Since 14 it’s been incremental improvement in precision and depth every year. I can’t remember when Bill and SN started up but that group’s been how we train people. A year and a half ago in ’18-19 we got John’s help promoting us. A year ago we launched the institute – although, given the rate of acceleration, and demand for the constitution, I’m having trouble with the volume of work. Hopefully we will grow people enough to help us with it this year. Hopefully I will finish the constitution and the big book this year (please god, help me). And hopefully we will ‘launch’ this year (please god help me some more). I dunno. I’m overloaded as usual.

    My point here is that if you follow Brandon Hayes’ feed, where he collects all our posts by topic, you will see what one guy can do if he works hard enough and long enough to produce value enough to interest others in the development of a new axis of agency.

    This is how Marx did it, and its how we’re doing the anti-Marx restoration of western civilization with a few people slowly gaining knowledge skill and momentum.

    Revolution comes.

    Renaissance Comes.

    The future is ours if we just take it.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-11 09:22:00 UTC

  • question. we have been referring to eprime (eliminating the copula: the verb to

    question. we have been referring to eprime (eliminating the copula: the verb to be), so that people could use the literature on eprime to understand how to do it. But the problem is, referencing that literature produces strange externalities because of the sequence of thinkers that went into defining it. All of whom amounted to nothing, and eprime was the only meaningful result of their works.

    should we just drop eprime reference and instead refer to ‘dropping the copula’ or ‘eliminating the verb to be’ and explaining it?


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-10 12:32:00 UTC

  • Tom Radcliffe —“The claims about Hilbert, Brouwer, and Bridgeman are all bizar

    Tom Radcliffe

    —“The claims about Hilbert, Brouwer, and Bridgeman are all bizarre.”—

    They are only bizarre if you don’t understand the category of problems that western civilization was facing in the wake of cantorial sets, relativity and quantum theory, and the attempt by the analytic movement to find closure in the logics and raise it to a peerage with mathematics, the evolution of computational logic, economics made possible by fiat money, and the transformation of empirical to arbitrary law. All of these systems of reasoning changed from operational (or what we call classical) to arbitrary(descriptive or verbal), reversing descartes-newton-leibnitz restoration of mathematics to a foundation in geometry (classical), and the consequential effect it had on idealism and supernaturalism. We tend not to study various techniques of decidability – I do.

    —“Hilbert was a formalist, Brouwer the father of intuitionism, which is the most significant anti-formalist, constructivist, approach to mathematical truth in the 20th century. Brouwer and Hilbert were literally on opposite sides of one of the most fundamental mathematical questions: what does it mean for an existential claim in mathematics to be true?”–

    All of these men were frustrated with the re-platonization of mathematics by Cantor and Bohr in particular, and the affect on physics, as were Mises and Hayek in economics, and each took steps to restore mathematics to what we would call today classical foundations.

    But while mathematics retains rather absurd vocabulary, vapid mathematical platonism, nonsense terms like multiple infinities (rather than production of pairs at different rates), and while neither the quantum nor relativity have been unstuck from descriptive and returned to causal (the classical), and while, in my understanding even the framing of mathematics in pure mathematics is has diverged from causality to the point where the importance of symmetries and fields has been reduced to puzzles rather than problems of changes, and while we seem unable to develop the next generation of mathematics (although it seems a few like Wolfram understand it’s need), the fact of the matter is, that despite the abandonment of realism(classicalism) and restoration of platonism, and despite the fact that mathematical platonism is a contagion to all subsequent fields, the practical reality is that mathematics is practiced as an archaic craft with archaic prose, and operationalization is less important *within* the fields than it is by contagion outside the field.

    Even worse, economics follows the same theme by measuring the national equivalent of income statements while conveniently ignoring balance sheets (accounting for changes in genetic, institutional, cultural, normative, capital).

    Unfortunately, computer science arrived late (blame Babbage), and both mathematics and logic, and Popper and Kuhn and the others failed to complete the falsificationary process, and discover that the scientific method (which does exist it turns out) applies to producing evidence that one can testify to in output, not what actions one takes.

    And unfortunately, epistemologically, the means by which we obtain an idea(hypothesis) to test (falsify) is immaterial – whether deductive or freely associated tells us nothing.

    So while we end with Strawson and company the project was not completed. Had the project of the 20th been completed, we might have reformed all the fields completely, producing a universally commensurable grammar and vocabulary across all the sciences, both hard and soft.

    My particular contribution is this completing this deplatonization, and the contagion that follows upstream from it – especially to the economics, law, the social and psychological sciences. Where unlike mathematics, whose one categorical referent (positional name) is not open to undetectable error, there exist hundreds or thousands of referents (terms), in much more complex grammars (possible operations), that without commensurability across fields, and without deplatonization (or projection, or in the case of postmodernism – outright deceit), we cannot *produce a system of law that prohibits use of deceit in matters public*.

    In other words, we cannot apply the same rigor that we use in physical science publication to speech, legislation, regulation, and findings of the court, and thereby repair the industrialization of lying by pseudoscience and sophism made possible in the twentieth century – equal in damage to the industrialization of lying by monotheism in the ancient world.

    …. (more)

    (more) …

    —“It would be very weird if anyone praised both of them for reforming their fields, when they were doing so from diametrically opposed viewpoints. “—

    Of course they were coming from different viewpoints. Just as physicists today are frustrated by the relativity vs quantum conflict (both descriptive not causal). Yet we have physicists trying to solve the problem from many different angles. And at least we can give name to the problem.

    Of these different men, only Bridgman was successful in affecting the writing of publications in the physical science.

    —“Nor was Hilbert more than one of many influences on mathematical physics, although his book with Courant was important. But in no sense did he reform the field or criticise its set basis. He mostly bitched about how damned sloppy we are with those precious formalisms, because his grasp of physics was that of an outsider who was trying to solve a different problem than the ones physicists care about.

    —“Bridgeman is a footnote in the history of 20th century physics. His codification of the work of Eddington, Einstein, and others had far more influence in the social sciences than in physics,”—

    And it is the social sciences that are the least reformed. So where the reformation was most important – and it has still failed.

    —“where pure operationalism is needlessly restrictive, although it is a useful and powerful tool when things get hairy. “—

    This is because again, operationalism is falsificationary.

    —“And what is the “Bohr-Einstein and Copenhagen consensus”? It can’t be related to the Copenhagen Interpretation, for obvious reasons.”—

    It’s that einstein and bohr produced descriptions not causalities and justified them, without providing the classical (constructive) definition. See hilbert’s criticism of Einstein upon publication.

    —“I’m genuinely at a loss as to what it might be referring to. If anything is “reforming” physics today it is the Bayesian revolution, and if anyone “completed” Descarte’s algebraization of geometry it was Clifford. “—

    Yes on the bayesian revolution. That doesn’t change the original question of why all these people saw similar problems in similar fields.

    For example, why don’t we teach mathematics in operational prose – it would lose most of the frication in learning it.

    —-“So all these claims read like they were written by someone who knows nothing about the history of modern science, but is both desperate to impose their own agenda on it, and hopeful that if they throw enough big names around they will impress the ignorant sufficiently to get by. Which I guess works. Maybe I should do more of it.”—

    These claims read like someone who worked on solving the problem in social science – first in economics, then in law, then in psychology and sociology.

    Which is a far harder problem than you would imagine, or someone would have done it before I did.

    Although, in hindsight you can see that had Babbage not gotten lost in his gears, and a Turing come earlier, then Hayek would have solved the problem (I think). Chomsky was channeling Turing, and cognitive science (if it still exists in that form) has reduced our understanding to Turings.

    So you are welcome to dance with me on these subjects if you wish but it’s extremely unlikely that I err.

    And the reason for these chit chats is like practicing any sport, and that is to continuously improve my technique in communicating the great intellectual failure of the twentieth century that terminate Germany’s second scientific revolution, and as a consequence, resulted in a twentieth that advanced rapidly in technology, and slowly in physical science because of that technology, but that failed to progress much beyond the 1930’s, and failed entirely in the social sciences – reversing the gains of the century before.

    All because of a single error: re-platonization.

    Cheers


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-10 10:26:00 UTC

  • Given the Human logical facility Given the Human grammatical facility Given the

    Given the Human logical facility

    Given the Human grammatical facility

    Given the Logics of free association(justification), the logics of language (internal consistency – inference), and operational logic (existential possibility – demonstrated);

    Given possibilities for decidability of nonsensical, undecidable, sufficient for action, truth candidate, tautology, falsehood.

    Are the logics falsificationary or justificationary in precedence?


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-08 13:18:00 UTC