—“Let’s schedule a video call, and we can exhaust this without the unnecessary social incentives until I find out where I’m wrong, and I’ll leave you guys be in Aryan Propertyland.”—
The Value of Text
1) leaves a record of the evolution of the argument, and the tactics used in pursuing it.
2) Sophisms, Signaling, and Frauds are much harder to get away with in text.
3) The chain of reasoning one can produce in text is more suitable to proof by falsification, whereas verbal reparté is more suitable to analogy and justification (fraud).
4) I do not care whether you continue to argue or depart, because articulate debate only serves to educate the followers – there is no chance that you can win such an argument – you just don’t know that yet. I do. You can only say “Lying is a strategic advantage if you can get enough people to do it without getting them killed in the process.”
5) I am now aware of you, just as you are aware of me. And I don’t practice philosophy but law. And prosecution of those who perpetuate harm against the commons is not only my job, my art but my moral duty.
6) You can use the pejorative ‘aryan’ as if aryan (law) vs semitic (religion) is some sort of dispute over taste rather than a dispute over truth and transcendence, vs lies and dysgenic regression.
You’re reasonably talented but it’s too clear that you are used to confusing the tactic of winning by sophism against the common folk, and not experienced at such debate with professionals with the hard science of it all.
Trying to repeat the past is simply an admissino of the failure to solve the problems of the present. The problem of the present is the same as it has always been: the conflict between the agrarian-metalworkers using law and markets (Male reproductive strategy), and the pastoralists using cults, and separatism (the female reproductive strategy)
Horse+bronze+wheel+sky-worshipping+Militaristic+expansionist vs earth worshipping, pacifist, separatists.
The eternal war between Cain and Able: The Masculine vs the Feminine.
This is the fourth cycle of that war of civilizations.
—“That The optimum government is flexible (Roman) with Authoritarianism for War, Markets for growth, and Redistribution for Windfalls. Can’t be said enough.”— William L. Benge
October 14th, 2018 3:53 PM
[A]ssuming Tesla makes it to 2020 with the Roadster (at $200K) it is going to be VERY difficult to justify buying any other sports car on the market. If they get it down to 120-150k, it will crush Porsche, and dig a hole for Ferrari. I mean, it’s very, very hard to argue with those specs and 650m range. That’s a grand tourer (4 seat) supercar for cheap, with nearly perfect balance.
Right now my favorite car on the market are still the aston and jaguar. But it’s really hard to look at this thing and say … well, you know, everything else is a steam powered horse and buggy by comparison.
October 16th, 2018 1:36 PM
WHY INTELLECTUALS DEBATE IN TEXT NOT SPEECH
—“Let’s schedule a video call, and we can exhaust this without the unnecessary social incentives until I find out where I’m wrong, and I’ll leave you guys be in Aryan Propertyland.”—
October 16th, 2018 1:36 PM
WHY INTELLECTUALS DEBATE IN TEXT NOT SPEECH
—“Let’s schedule a video call, and we can exhaust this without the unnecessary social incentives until I find out where I’m wrong, and I’ll leave you guys be in Aryan Propertyland.”—
photos_and_videos/TimelinePhotos_SxeO6JU-xg/44022992_10156708409542264_6728250330007470080_o_10156708409537264.jpg Assuming Tesla makes it to 2020 with the Roadster (at $200K) it is going to be VERY difficult to justify buying any other sports car on the market. If they get it down to 120-150k, it will crush Porsche, and dig a hole for Ferrari. I mean, it’s very, very hard to argue with those specs and 650m range. That’s a grand tourer (4 seat) supercar for cheap, with nearly perfect balance.
Right now my favorite car on the market are still the aston and jaguar. But it’s really hard to look at this thing and say … well, you know, everything else is a steam powered horse and buggy by comparison.Renan RibeiroIts a looker too. Paint it black and remove the backseats and it is a beast.Oct 14, 2018, 3:56 PMJay SchmittEvery wealthy person will want this in their car collection. And there are *many millions* of wealthy people. That’s why Tesla is never going out of business. Like Apple, they are taking electronics and turning them into highly desirable luxury goods. That translates into an extremely valuable brand name, which can be leveraged at the middle tier of the market. To keep up with the upper middle class, the middle class will aspire to own a $50,000 Tesla.Oct 14, 2018, 4:08 PMBjorn MoritzAre those specs real?Oct 14, 2018, 4:18 PMCurt Doolittlesure looks like it. the prototypes exist.Oct 14, 2018, 4:19 PMBjorn MoritzWow, that’s a game changer.Oct 14, 2018, 4:20 PMJay SchmittYes, it’s possible with today’s technology. The only issue is getting the price down from >$1,000,000 to $250,000. Musk can do that.Oct 14, 2018, 4:21 PMBjorn MoritzJay Schmitt I honestly don’t know why the US government doesn’t invest billions into SpaceX to keep ahead of the competition. I think they’ve proved themselves after the Falcon Heavy. Coolest thing I’ve ever seen. Let’s get ourselves back to the Moon and Mars. He must have a great team.Oct 14, 2018, 4:23 PMCurt Doolittle^^^ Well, that’s my opinion of Tesla, SpaceX and Boring. All three of these are not fundable by private market alone, but they are better MANAGED by private market alone.
Tesla created the market, and what has it cost the government? It doesn’t matter if the competition wins. It was simply the cheapest means possible of transferring from petroleum to electric vehicles….Oct 14, 2018, 4:25 PMJay SchmittYes, we could’ve done this ten years ago, possibly 15. But the funding suddenly appeared and made it possible.Oct 14, 2018, 4:27 PMBjorn MoritzCurt Doolittle in your opinion will he put man on mars in the next decade or is that just hype?Oct 14, 2018, 4:27 PMRastko MomcilovicSpaceX package. Instead of back seats you get cold air thrusters for acceleration beyond what any set of tires could handle.Oct 14, 2018, 4:28 PMCurt Doolittleback seats are necessary for her girlfriend to come along for the threesome.Oct 14, 2018, 4:32 PMHoward Van Der KlauwIn fairness Porsche (VAG) and Ferrari etc are not sitting on their hands. They are all working on hybrids and pure electric models. I saw Porsche release their first full electric concept about a week ago.Oct 14, 2018, 4:35 PMHoward Van Der Klauwhttps://www.topgear.com/car-news/frankfurt-motor-show/mission-e-porsches-600bhp-all-electric-sports-car-2018Oct 14, 2018, 4:36 PMJay SchmittYep, they are. But they don’t have the valuable brand name associated with electric vehicles that Tesla does. So they aren’t selling nearly as many cars.Oct 14, 2018, 4:36 PMHoward Van Der KlauwOne question is has Tesla squandered its technological lead through poor production management and opened the door for the traditional manufacturers to gazump them.Oct 14, 2018, 4:37 PMJay SchmittThat’s a bet I’m willing to take. I think Tesla will come out on top based on their brand name alone.Oct 14, 2018, 4:38 PMHoward Van Der KlauwJay Schmitt well we just have to wait and see if your earlier comment above about owning the top and expanding to the middle actually works as a strategy for them. Tesla has certainly done ground breaking work.Oct 14, 2018, 4:40 PMRastko MomcilovicThreesome vs rocket thrusters. Never have I had a more difficult dilemma.Oct 14, 2018, 4:43 PMJonathan Graehlfast. https://nsx.acura.com/explore/nsx is fast enough (200mph) and takes gas, thoughOct 14, 2018, 5:04 PMCurt Doolittlenah. japanese can’t design a car that doesn’t look like it fell off the shelf at a toy store. I’ll take italian, brit or german. ;)Oct 14, 2018, 5:09 PMBenjamin Slatten0-60 in 1.9 secs!Oct 14, 2018, 5:17 PMBenjamin SlattenOct 14, 2018, 5:17 PMArno KælandNo, you can’t have that acceleration and range nor can you have that speed and that range.. or aircon.. or your music playing.
Any other car manufacturer out there can bring this same product out.. indeed this is scarcely even a uniqe car – the current roadster is a Lotus Elise with a battery.
Assuming Tesla is around in two years’ time – why would folks want to pay 5x the price for something that is likely falling apart and has performance that appeals to weekend racers. It isn’t even useful for the Autobahn because it can’t deliver speed and range.Oct 14, 2018, 5:28 PMThiago Modelborn Pereira-BerthoNo because Porsches and Ferrari’s look much betterOct 14, 2018, 5:31 PMArno KælandCurt Doolittle this car was actually designed by a woman and I think she may have been an American. Design not popular.Oct 14, 2018, 5:32 PMCurt DoolittleBjorn Moritz he will run out of moneyOct 14, 2018, 5:54 PMArno KælandWhat really upsets me about Musk is Tesla – I’m convinced it will ruin what would, otherwise have been, a superhuman reputation.Oct 14, 2018, 5:55 PMReid DavisI’ve had many ffm situations, owning rocket thrusters on my whip I ain’t never had that, I’m tryin to get to see what that be like, I can hook up the ffm on foot patrol, over half of the US has da vajayjay, ain’t nobody got rockets on their supercars cept jay lenoOct 14, 2018, 6:02 PMJay SchmittAaron Kahland Tesla has the highest customer satisfaction of any car manufacturer. The Model S scored higher on crash safety tests than any other sedan. Tesla is currently outselling BMW and Mercedes in America.
It’s not nearly as easy to copy Tesla as you think. The engineering in these cars is 5 years ahead of any competitor.Oct 14, 2018, 6:07 PMJay SchmittThe reason people are so down on Tesla is because it’s the most-shorted stock in history. So there are literally billions of dollars behind the anti-Tesla propaganda machine.Oct 14, 2018, 6:08 PMJay SchmittYes.Oct 14, 2018, 6:19 PMJay SchmittThe demand for electric cars, particularly with the Tesla badge on them, is virtually unlimited. It’s like Ferrari or Lamborghini.Oct 14, 2018, 6:19 PMAaron BradleyIn a specific segment only of course… not overallOct 14, 2018, 6:21 PMArno KælandClaire Adelstein The answer is ‘no’. Tesla outsold BMW for ‘passenger cars’ – which Americans are scarcely buying – not ‘outselling BMW and Mercedes’ – who offer a wide variety of SUVs and outsell Tesla – not to mention make solid profits in doing so.Oct 14, 2018, 6:25 PMArno KælandJay Schmitt it is ridiculous to claim that Tesla’s brand value approximates that of Ferrari.Oct 14, 2018, 6:26 PMPerry MeyersI don’t know. People drop that kind of money for the brand name. You can’t substitute Ferrari of Lamborghini.Oct 14, 2018, 7:28 PMArne TorbkornssonWhere can you actually drive a car at 250 miles ? Nowhere….. after a certain point it’s just for showOct 14, 2018, 7:40 PMZachary BertCurt Doolittle Tell that to the NSX and GTR when they’re trouncing a ton of those German and Italian cars.Oct 14, 2018, 11:04 PMTorian BlackwellIts brand lost some sex appeal.Oct 14, 2018, 11:32 PMBjorn MoritzHere in Germany you can.Oct 14, 2018, 11:52 PMCurt Doolittleit doesn’t matter if the ugly chick can carry a bigger bag of potatoes. ;)Oct 15, 2018, 12:13 AMTony Goylionii dont know a thing about cars but thats retardedOct 15, 2018, 12:17 AMTony Goylioniretarded coolOct 15, 2018, 12:17 AMJay SchmittWould anyone want an electric Ferrari? No.Oct 15, 2018, 12:55 AMGordon GuanoThe gearhead side of propertarianism kinda caught me by surprise.Oct 15, 2018, 1:19 AMChristopher MatthewI like tesla 😉Oct 15, 2018, 6:11 AMJames HerzogEuropean supercar buyers will probably save big bucks on taxes, penalties, etc that they would normally have with supercars too.Oct 15, 2018, 10:15 AMFrancesco PrincipiNo. Electric cars = Vacuum cleanersOct 15, 2018, 3:02 PMAssuming Tesla makes it to 2020 with the Roadster (at $200K) it is going to be VERY difficult to justify buying any other sports car on the market. If they get it down to 120-150k, it will crush Porsche, and dig a hole for Ferrari. I mean, it’s very, very hard to argue with those specs and 650m range. That’s a grand tourer (4 seat) supercar for cheap, with nearly perfect balance.
Right now my favorite car on the market are still the aston and jaguar. But it’s really hard to look at this thing and say … well, you know, everything else is a steam powered horse and buggy by comparison.
photos_and_videos/TimelinePhotos_SxeO6JU-xg/44022992_10156708409542264_6728250330007470080_o_10156708409537264.jpg Assuming Tesla makes it to 2020 with the Roadster (at $200K) it is going to be VERY difficult to justify buying any other sports car on the market. If they get it down to 120-150k, it will crush Porsche, and dig a hole for Ferrari. I mean, it’s very, very hard to argue with those specs and 650m range. That’s a grand tourer (4 seat) supercar for cheap, with nearly perfect balance.
Right now my favorite car on the market are still the aston and jaguar. But it’s really hard to look at this thing and say … well, you know, everything else is a steam powered horse and buggy by comparison.Renan RibeiroIts a looker too. Paint it black and remove the backseats and it is a beast.Oct 14, 2018, 3:56 PMJay SchmittEvery wealthy person will want this in their car collection. And there are *many millions* of wealthy people. That’s why Tesla is never going out of business. Like Apple, they are taking electronics and turning them into highly desirable luxury goods. That translates into an extremely valuable brand name, which can be leveraged at the middle tier of the market. To keep up with the upper middle class, the middle class will aspire to own a $50,000 Tesla.Oct 14, 2018, 4:08 PMBjorn MoritzAre those specs real?Oct 14, 2018, 4:18 PMCurt Doolittlesure looks like it. the prototypes exist.Oct 14, 2018, 4:19 PMBjorn MoritzWow, that’s a game changer.Oct 14, 2018, 4:20 PMJay SchmittYes, it’s possible with today’s technology. The only issue is getting the price down from >$1,000,000 to $250,000. Musk can do that.Oct 14, 2018, 4:21 PMBjorn MoritzJay Schmitt I honestly don’t know why the US government doesn’t invest billions into SpaceX to keep ahead of the competition. I think they’ve proved themselves after the Falcon Heavy. Coolest thing I’ve ever seen. Let’s get ourselves back to the Moon and Mars. He must have a great team.Oct 14, 2018, 4:23 PMCurt Doolittle^^^ Well, that’s my opinion of Tesla, SpaceX and Boring. All three of these are not fundable by private market alone, but they are better MANAGED by private market alone.
Tesla created the market, and what has it cost the government? It doesn’t matter if the competition wins. It was simply the cheapest means possible of transferring from petroleum to electric vehicles….Oct 14, 2018, 4:25 PMJay SchmittYes, we could’ve done this ten years ago, possibly 15. But the funding suddenly appeared and made it possible.Oct 14, 2018, 4:27 PMBjorn MoritzCurt Doolittle in your opinion will he put man on mars in the next decade or is that just hype?Oct 14, 2018, 4:27 PMRastko MomcilovicSpaceX package. Instead of back seats you get cold air thrusters for acceleration beyond what any set of tires could handle.Oct 14, 2018, 4:28 PMCurt Doolittleback seats are necessary for her girlfriend to come along for the threesome.Oct 14, 2018, 4:32 PMHoward Van Der KlauwIn fairness Porsche (VAG) and Ferrari etc are not sitting on their hands. They are all working on hybrids and pure electric models. I saw Porsche release their first full electric concept about a week ago.Oct 14, 2018, 4:35 PMHoward Van Der Klauwhttps://www.topgear.com/car-news/frankfurt-motor-show/mission-e-porsches-600bhp-all-electric-sports-car-2018Oct 14, 2018, 4:36 PMJay SchmittYep, they are. But they don’t have the valuable brand name associated with electric vehicles that Tesla does. So they aren’t selling nearly as many cars.Oct 14, 2018, 4:36 PMHoward Van Der KlauwOne question is has Tesla squandered its technological lead through poor production management and opened the door for the traditional manufacturers to gazump them.Oct 14, 2018, 4:37 PMJay SchmittThat’s a bet I’m willing to take. I think Tesla will come out on top based on their brand name alone.Oct 14, 2018, 4:38 PMHoward Van Der KlauwJay Schmitt well we just have to wait and see if your earlier comment above about owning the top and expanding to the middle actually works as a strategy for them. Tesla has certainly done ground breaking work.Oct 14, 2018, 4:40 PMRastko MomcilovicThreesome vs rocket thrusters. Never have I had a more difficult dilemma.Oct 14, 2018, 4:43 PMJonathan Graehlfast. https://nsx.acura.com/explore/nsx is fast enough (200mph) and takes gas, thoughOct 14, 2018, 5:04 PMCurt Doolittlenah. japanese can’t design a car that doesn’t look like it fell off the shelf at a toy store. I’ll take italian, brit or german. ;)Oct 14, 2018, 5:09 PMBenjamin Slatten0-60 in 1.9 secs!Oct 14, 2018, 5:17 PMBenjamin SlattenOct 14, 2018, 5:17 PMAaron KahlandNo, you can’t have that acceleration and range nor can you have that speed and that range.. or aircon.. or your music playing.
Any other car manufacturer out there can bring this same product out.. indeed this is scarcely even a uniqe car – the current roadster is a Lotus Elise with a battery.
Assuming Tesla is around in two years’ time – why would folks want to pay 5x the price for something that is likely falling apart and has performance that appeals to weekend racers. It isn’t even useful for the Autobahn because it can’t deliver speed and range.Oct 14, 2018, 5:28 PMThiago Modelborn Pereira-BerthoNo because Porsches and Ferrari’s look much betterOct 14, 2018, 5:31 PMAaron KahlandCurt Doolittle this car was actually designed by a woman and I think she may have been an American. Design not popular.Oct 14, 2018, 5:32 PMCurt DoolittleBjorn Moritz he will run out of moneyOct 14, 2018, 5:54 PMAaron KahlandWhat really upsets me about Musk is Tesla – I’m convinced it will ruin what would, otherwise have been, a superhuman reputation.Oct 14, 2018, 5:55 PMReid DavisI’ve had many ffm situations, owning rocket thrusters on my whip I ain’t never had that, I’m tryin to get to see what that be like, I can hook up the ffm on foot patrol, over half of the US has da vajayjay, ain’t nobody got rockets on their supercars cept jay lenoOct 14, 2018, 6:02 PMJay SchmittAaron Kahland Tesla has the highest customer satisfaction of any car manufacturer. The Model S scored higher on crash safety tests than any other sedan. Tesla is currently outselling BMW and Mercedes in America.
It’s not nearly as easy to copy Tesla as you think. The engineering in these cars is 5 years ahead of any competitor.Oct 14, 2018, 6:07 PMJay SchmittThe reason people are so down on Tesla is because it’s the most-shorted stock in history. So there are literally billions of dollars behind the anti-Tesla propaganda machine.Oct 14, 2018, 6:08 PMAmir MetzgerThey are outselling Mercedes in the United States?Oct 14, 2018, 6:17 PMJay SchmittYes.Oct 14, 2018, 6:19 PMAmir MetzgerThat’s impressive, if that’s the caseOct 14, 2018, 6:19 PMJay SchmittThe demand for electric cars, particularly with the Tesla badge on them, is virtually unlimited. It’s like Ferrari or Lamborghini.Oct 14, 2018, 6:19 PMAaron BradleyIn a specific segment only of course… not overallOct 14, 2018, 6:21 PMAaron KahlandClaire Adelstein The answer is ‘no’. Tesla outsold BMW for ‘passenger cars’ – which Americans are scarcely buying – not ‘outselling BMW and Mercedes’ – who offer a wide variety of SUVs and outsell Tesla – not to mention make solid profits in doing so.Oct 14, 2018, 6:25 PMAaron KahlandJay Schmitt it is ridiculous to claim that Tesla’s brand value approximates that of Ferrari.Oct 14, 2018, 6:26 PMAmir MetzgerYeah, I don’t know about Tesla having the brand value of any car like FerrariOct 14, 2018, 7:07 PMPerry MeyersI don’t know. People drop that kind of money for the brand name. You can’t substitute Ferrari of Lamborghini.Oct 14, 2018, 7:28 PMArne TorbkornssonWhere can you actually drive a car at 250 miles ? Nowhere….. after a certain point it’s just for showOct 14, 2018, 7:40 PMZachary BertCurt Doolittle Tell that to the NSX and GTR when they’re trouncing a ton of those German and Italian cars.Oct 14, 2018, 11:04 PMTorian BlackwellIts brand lost some sex appeal.Oct 14, 2018, 11:32 PMBjorn MoritzHere in Germany you can.Oct 14, 2018, 11:52 PMCurt Doolittleit doesn’t matter if the ugly chick can carry a bigger bag of potatoes. ;)Oct 15, 2018, 12:13 AMTony Goylionii dont know a thing about cars but thats retardedOct 15, 2018, 12:17 AMTony Goylioniretarded coolOct 15, 2018, 12:17 AMJay SchmittWould anyone want an electric Ferrari? No.Oct 15, 2018, 12:55 AMGordon GuanoThe gearhead side of propertarianism kinda caught me by surprise.Oct 15, 2018, 1:19 AMChristopher MatthewI like tesla 😉Oct 15, 2018, 6:11 AMJames HerzogEuropean supercar buyers will probably save big bucks on taxes, penalties, etc that they would normally have with supercars too.Oct 15, 2018, 10:15 AMFrancesco PrincipiNo. Electric cars = Vacuum cleanersOct 15, 2018, 3:02 PMAssuming Tesla makes it to 2020 with the Roadster (at $200K) it is going to be VERY difficult to justify buying any other sports car on the market. If they get it down to 120-150k, it will crush Porsche, and dig a hole for Ferrari. I mean, it’s very, very hard to argue with those specs and 650m range. That’s a grand tourer (4 seat) supercar for cheap, with nearly perfect balance.
Right now my favorite car on the market are still the aston and jaguar. But it’s really hard to look at this thing and say … well, you know, everything else is a steam powered horse and buggy by comparison.
photos_and_videos/TimelinePhotos_43196237263/44022992_10156708409542264_6728250330007470080_o_10156708409537264.jpg Assuming Tesla makes it to 2020 with the Roadster (at $200K) it is going to be VERY difficult to justify buying any other sports car on the market. If they get it down to 120-150k, it will crush Porsche, and dig a hole for Ferrari. I mean, it’s very, very hard to argue with those specs and 650m range. That’s a grand tourer (4 seat) supercar for cheap, with nearly perfect balance.
Right now my favorite car on the market are still the aston and jaguar. But it’s really hard to look at this thing and say … well, you know, everything else is a steam powered horse and buggy by comparison.Renan RibeiroIts a looker too. Paint it black and remove the backseats and it is a beast.Oct 14, 2018 3:56pmJay SchmittEvery wealthy person will want this in their car collection. And there are *many millions* of wealthy people. That’s why Tesla is never going out of business. Like Apple, they are taking electronics and turning them into highly desirable luxury goods. That translates into an extremely valuable brand name, which can be leveraged at the middle tier of the market. To keep up with the upper middle class, the middle class will aspire to own a $50,000 Tesla.Oct 14, 2018 4:08pmBjorn MoritzAre those specs real?Oct 14, 2018 4:18pmCurt Doolittlesure looks like it. the prototypes exist.Oct 14, 2018 4:19pmBjorn MoritzWow, that’s a game changer.Oct 14, 2018 4:20pmJay SchmittYes, it’s possible with today’s technology. The only issue is getting the price down from >$1,000,000 to $250,000. Musk can do that.Oct 14, 2018 4:21pmBjorn Moritz@[100000467119517:2048:Jay Schmitt] I honestly don’t know why the US government doesn’t invest billions into SpaceX to keep ahead of the competition. I think they’ve proved themselves after the Falcon Heavy. Coolest thing I’ve ever seen. Let’s get ourselves back to the Moon and Mars. He must have a great team.Oct 14, 2018 4:23pmCurt Doolittle^^^ Well, that’s my opinion of Tesla, SpaceX and Boring. All three of these are not fundable by private market alone, but they are better MANAGED by private market alone.
Tesla created the market, and what has it cost the government? It doesn’t matter if the competition wins. It was simply the cheapest means possible of transferring from petroleum to electric vehicles….Oct 14, 2018 4:25pmJay SchmittYes, we could’ve done this ten years ago, possibly 15. But the funding suddenly appeared and made it possible.Oct 14, 2018 4:27pmBjorn Moritz@[741197263:2048:Curt Doolittle] in your opinion will he put man on mars in the next decade or is that just hype?Oct 14, 2018 4:27pmRastko MomcilovicSpaceX package. Instead of back seats you get cold air thrusters for acceleration beyond what any set of tires could handle.Oct 14, 2018 4:28pmCurt Doolittleback seats are necessary for her girlfriend to come along for the threesome.Oct 14, 2018 4:32pmHoward Van Der KlauwIn fairness Porsche (VAG) and Ferrari etc are not sitting on their hands. They are all working on hybrids and pure electric models. I saw Porsche release their first full electric concept about a week ago.Oct 14, 2018 4:35pmHoward Van Der Klauwhttps://www.topgear.com/car-news/frankfurt-motor-show/mission-e-porsches-600bhp-all-electric-sports-car-2018Oct 14, 2018 4:36pmJay SchmittYep, they are. But they don’t have the valuable brand name associated with electric vehicles that Tesla does. So they aren’t selling nearly as many cars.Oct 14, 2018 4:36pmHoward Van Der KlauwOne question is has Tesla squandered its technological lead through poor production management and opened the door for the traditional manufacturers to gazump them.Oct 14, 2018 4:37pmJay SchmittThat’s a bet I’m willing to take. I think Tesla will come out on top based on their brand name alone.Oct 14, 2018 4:38pmHoward Van Der Klauw@[100000467119517:2048:Jay Schmitt] well we just have to wait and see if your earlier comment above about owning the top and expanding to the middle actually works as a strategy for them. Tesla has certainly done ground breaking work.Oct 14, 2018 4:40pmRastko MomcilovicThreesome vs rocket thrusters. Never have I had a more difficult dilemma.Oct 14, 2018 4:43pmJonathan Graehlfast. https://nsx.acura.com/explore/nsx is fast enough (200mph) and takes gas, thoughOct 14, 2018 5:04pmCurt Doolittlenah. japanese can’t design a car that doesn’t look like it fell off the shelf at a toy store. I’ll take italian, brit or german. ;)Oct 14, 2018 5:09pmBenjamin Slatten0-60 in 1.9 secs!Oct 14, 2018 5:17pmBenjamin SlattenOct 14, 2018 5:17pmAaron KahlandNo, you can’t have that acceleration and range nor can you have that speed and that range.. or aircon.. or your music playing.
Any other car manufacturer out there can bring this same product out.. indeed this is scarcely even a uniqe car – the current roadster is a Lotus Elise with a battery.
Assuming Tesla is around in two years’ time – why would folks want to pay 5x the price for something that is likely falling apart and has performance that appeals to weekend racers. It isn’t even useful for the Autobahn because it can’t deliver speed and range.Oct 14, 2018 5:28pmThiago Modelborn Pereira-BerthoNo because Porsches and Ferrari’s look much betterOct 14, 2018 5:31pmAaron Kahland@[741197263:2048:Curt Doolittle] this car was actually designed by a woman and I think she may have been an American. Design not popular.Oct 14, 2018 5:32pmCurt Doolittle@[687166933:2048:Bjorn Moritz] he will run out of moneyOct 14, 2018 5:54pmAaron KahlandWhat really upsets me about Musk is Tesla – I’m convinced it will ruin what would, otherwise have been, a superhuman reputation.Oct 14, 2018 5:55pmReid DavisI’ve had many ffm situations, owning rocket thrusters on my whip I ain’t never had that, I’m tryin to get to see what that be like, I can hook up the ffm on foot patrol, over half of the US has da vajayjay, ain’t nobody got rockets on their supercars cept jay lenoOct 14, 2018 6:02pmScotty MorganToo bad I can’t afford that. Guess I’ll have to settle for Tesla stock.Oct 14, 2018 6:03pmAaron Kahlandyou certainly can’t afford that.Oct 14, 2018 6:05pmScotty Morgan@[1420794899:2048:Aaron Kahland] that’s what I said?Oct 14, 2018 6:07pmJay Schmitt@[1420794899:2048:Aaron Kahland] Tesla has the highest customer satisfaction of any car manufacturer. The Model S scored higher on crash safety tests than any other sedan. Tesla is currently outselling BMW and Mercedes in America.
It’s not nearly as easy to copy Tesla as you think. The engineering in these cars is 5 years ahead of any competitor.Oct 14, 2018 6:07pmJay SchmittThe reason people are so down on Tesla is because it’s the most-shorted stock in history. So there are literally billions of dollars behind the anti-Tesla propaganda machine.Oct 14, 2018 6:08pmAaron Kahland@[14210762:2048:Scotty Morgan] I mean the stock (because I expect it will drop to near zero)Oct 14, 2018 6:10pmJay SchmittDon’t listen to Aaron, he doesn’t understand how corporate finance works. I do.Oct 14, 2018 6:11pmJay SchmittAmazon was running much bigger deficits for much longer than Tesla. And they had more competition.Oct 14, 2018 6:11pmClaire AdelsteinThey are outselling Mercedes in the United States?Oct 14, 2018 6:17pmAaron Kahland@[100000467119517:2048:Jay Schmitt] yes, but as you understand corporate finance you’ll know that Amazon was generating serious cashflow whilst Tesla is burning it rapidly.Oct 14, 2018 6:18pmJay SchmittYes.Oct 14, 2018 6:19pmClaire AdelsteinThat’s impressive, if that’s the caseOct 14, 2018 6:19pmJay SchmittThe demand for electric cars, particularly with the Tesla badge on them, is virtually unlimited. It’s like Ferrari or Lamborghini.Oct 14, 2018 6:19pmAaron BradleyIn a specific segment only of course… not overallOct 14, 2018 6:21pmJay Schmitt@[1420794899:2048:Aaron Kahland] maybe that’s because Tesla was building factories. Ya think?Oct 14, 2018 6:21pmAaron Kahland@[100023432041550:2048:Claire Adelstein] The answer is ‘no’. Tesla outsold BMW for ‘passenger cars’ – which Americans are scarcely buying – not ‘outselling BMW and Mercedes’ – who offer a wide variety of SUVs and outsell Tesla – not to mention make solid profits in doing so.Oct 14, 2018 6:25pmAaron Kahland@[100000467119517:2048:Jay Schmitt] it is ridiculous to claim that Tesla’s brand value approximates that of Ferrari.Oct 14, 2018 6:26pmAaron Kahland@[100000467119517:2048:Jay Schmitt] Tesla’s free operating cashflow is very deeply in negative territory – that has nothing to do with capex.Oct 14, 2018 6:40pmAaron Kahland@[100000467119517:2048:Jay Schmitt] in the time we’ve been discussing this, Tesla has lost around a million in cash. Tick tock Mr Musk.Oct 14, 2018 6:41pmClaire AdelsteinYeah, I don’t know about Tesla having the brand value of any car like FerrariOct 14, 2018 7:07pmPerry MeyersI don’t know. People drop that kind of money for the brand name. You can’t substitute Ferrari of Lamborghini.Oct 14, 2018 7:28pmArne TorbkornssonWhere can you actually drive a car at 250 miles ? Nowhere….. after a certain point it’s just for showOct 14, 2018 7:40pmZachary Bert@[741197263:2048:Curt Doolittle] Tell that to the NSX and GTR when they’re trouncing a ton of those German and Italian cars.Oct 14, 2018 11:04pmTorian BlackwellIts brand lost some sex appeal.Oct 14, 2018 11:32pmBjorn MoritzHere in Germany you can.Oct 14, 2018 11:52pmCurt Doolittleit doesn’t matter if the ugly chick can carry a bigger bag of potatoes. ;)Oct 15, 2018 12:13amTony Goylionii dont know a thing about cars but thats retardedOct 15, 2018 12:17amTony Goylioniretarded coolOct 15, 2018 12:17amJay SchmittWould anyone want an electric Ferrari? No.Oct 15, 2018 12:55amGordon GuanoThe gearhead side of propertarianism kinda caught me by surprise.Oct 15, 2018 1:19amChristopher MatthewI like tesla 😉Oct 15, 2018 6:11amJames HerzogEuropean supercar buyers will probably save big bucks on taxes, penalties, etc that they would normally have with supercars too.Oct 15, 2018 10:15amFrancesco PrincipiNo. Electric cars = Vacuum cleanersOct 15, 2018 3:02pmAssuming Tesla makes it to 2020 with the Roadster (at $200K) it is going to be VERY difficult to justify buying any other sports car on the market. If they get it down to 120-150k, it will crush Porsche, and dig a hole for Ferrari. I mean, it’s very, very hard to argue with those specs and 650m range. That’s a grand tourer (4 seat) supercar for cheap, with nearly perfect balance.
Right now my favorite car on the market are still the aston and jaguar. But it’s really hard to look at this thing and say … well, you know, everything else is a steam powered horse and buggy by comparison.
