Theme: Constitutional Order

  • That is false. I am pretty conficent I know the history of the common law back t

    That is false.
    I am pretty conficent I know the history of the common law back through it’s pre roman origins.
    – The defamations of libel and slander.
    – The oath
    – Military reporting.
    – The crime of perjury,

    Free speech was an EXCEPTION added to the constitution because they…


    Source date (UTC): 2023-03-06 17:46:38 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632799864412045313

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632797868196261889

  • THOUGHTS ON BARRIERS AND LIMITS OF CONSTITUTIONAL AI I’ve worked on this for yea

    THOUGHTS ON BARRIERS AND LIMITS OF CONSTITUTIONAL AI
    I’ve worked on this for years, and didn’t expect language models to cross the barrier to simulated intelligence, because they have no world model (yet) to test the possibility of the langauge they produce.

    As for constituional AI, that problem was rather easy to solve because there is only one rule: recprocity, and reciprocity contains testimony, and testimony contains truthfulness, and truthfulness is testable by falsification of the eight dimensions of sense perception.

    But it should be possible to create a hybrid model against constraints (a consitutution). HOWEVER you still are subject to the problem of what’s ‘polite’ today is UNTRUE. So you cannot create a polite UI that doesn’t lie. And you can’t create a polite UI without teaching it to lie.

    So, that would imply three layers
    – Language in-out (framing)
    – World model (falsification)
    – Constitution (exception handling)
    – Manners (exception prevarication)

    Now assuming you’re going to skip the world model – well, Tesla’s a real world not language model, so Tesla doesn’t skip it, but the language models do. Then you probably can train it to recogize TORT (crimes), but then you’ll have to teach it manners. (Lying)

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    Source date (UTC): 2023-03-06 17:24:40 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632794338051629063

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632788550503612417

  • THOUGHTS ON BARRIERS AND LIMITS OF CONSTITUTIONAL AI I’ve worked on this for yea

    THOUGHTS ON BARRIERS AND LIMITS OF CONSTITUTIONAL AI
    I’ve worked on this for years, and didn’t expect language models to cross the barrier to simulated intelligence, because they have no world model (yet) to test the possibility of the langauge they produce.

    As for constituional AI, that problem was rather easy to solve because there is only one rule: recprocity, and reciprocity contains testimony, and testimony contains truthfulness, and truthfulness is testable by falsification of the eight dimensions of sense perception.

    But it should be possible to create a hybrid model against constraints (a consitutution). HOWEVER you still are subject to the problem of what’s ‘polite’ today is UNTRUE. So you cannot create a polite UI that doesn’t lie. And you can’t create a polite UI without teaching it to lie.

    So, that would imply three layers
    – Language in-out (framing)
    – World model (falsification)
    – Constitution (exception handling)
    – Manners (exception prevarication)

    Now assuming you’re going to skip the world model – well, Tesla’s a real world not language model, so Tesla doesn’t skip it, but the language models do. Then you probably can train it to recogize TORT (crimes), but then you’ll have to teach it manners. (Lying)


    Source date (UTC): 2023-03-06 17:24:40 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632794338286501895

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632788550503612417

  • LET’S SCIENCE SCOTT’S ISSUE: (a) Tort, (or tresspass), the basis of all law, sta

    LET’S SCIENCE SCOTT’S ISSUE:
    (a) Tort, (or tresspass), the basis of all law, states that your intention doesn’t matter. In a crime (a severe tort or trespass) your intention may matter or not.
    but;
    (b) The question is what shall we prohibit trespass against? What is the scope of our demonstrated interests?
    and;
    (c) Westerners alone, developed military reporting, testimonial (empirical) truth, and truth-before-face, in confession, commons, and court. Truth before face regardless of cost to self image, reputation, the competence or dominance hierarchy, is a DUTY. That duty is the reason the west developed jury, democracy (jury), thang and sentate debate (jury), and the reason, empiricism, and science, that almost alone dragged mankind out of superstition, ignorance, and poverty.
    And;
    (d) Truth before face is horoic, a contribution to the commons (a tax, sacrifice), and a status symbol for men, who demonstrate they are willing to risk conflict for the common good. But it is an risk for women and effeminate men, because they seek to avoid conflict at a cost to the common good. Ergo men ‘adult’ the sexes, ad women “infantilize” the sexes, in any and all matters of the commons. The cognitive difference between men and women is male systematizing over time seeking responsibiity and capital even by risk for status, vs female empathizing in time seeking evasion of responsibilty and capital accumulation in favor of huperconsumption at low risk. Hence female irresponsibility for the commons, hyperconsumption, and hypergamy.
    But;
    (e) The introduction of women into the voting pool without either training women to avoid their evasion of responsibility for the commons, or placing a requrement for demonstrated competency in matters of the commons, opened teh door for postwar ‘feminization and infantilization’ of the institutional, political, economic, educational, social, familial, informational, and familial commons. Thereby destroying truth before face, realism, naturalism, empiricism, testimony, law, social norms and traditions, and the family as the first system of intergenerational production. And it’s unconsious, involuntary, instinct. And it resulted in the same as it has in every other past condition including the feminization of the french court, the christian destruction of the classical world, and the fall of spartans and their civilization.
    Therefore;
    (f) We must fight in war, we must forgoe crime, we must pay taxes, we must adhere to the natural law (law proper), and we must speak the truth before face regardless of cost, or we cannot have rule of law, jury, democracy, the high trust society, the economic, innovative, adaptive, evolutionary gains of the west that evolved faster than the rest whenever possible in the bronze (indo european), iron (mediterranean) and steel (atlantic) ages. And with that evolution we ended 2000 years of stagnation, poverty, disease and suffering, and dragged mankind kicking and screaming of ignorance, superstition poverty, starvation, disease, suffering, and early death.
    Therefore;
    (g) the biological differences between classes, ethnicities, civilizations, and races is as significant as the difference betwen the sexes. And for the same reasons: i) the degree of neotenic evolution of the race ii) the degree of genetic load in the classes iii) the asymmetry of classes between races and ethnicities iv) and the necessity of and the tendency for sexes, classes, ethnicities, civiliizations, and races to rely on kin preference and kin selection simply because they have more INTERESTS IN COMMON than those otherwise. As such given that the most scarce resource is cooperation, and that indifference between individuals and groups is a NECESSARY behavioral economy that cannot be evaded.
    (h) So this creates a conflict between the needs of our cooperation in particular commons, and the needs of our cooperation by general trade.
    ie: Separation is the only possible solution.
    Cheers
    Curt Doolittle

    Reply addressees: @ScottAdamsSays


    Source date (UTC): 2023-03-06 16:48:39 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632785273389035526

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632747665321791488

  • LET’S SCIENCE SCOTT’S ISSUE: (a) Tort, (or tresspass), the basis of all law, sta

    LET’S SCIENCE SCOTT’S ISSUE:
    (a) Tort, (or tresspass), the basis of all law, states that your intention doesn’t matter. In a crime (a severe tort or trespass) your intention may matter or not.
    but;
    (b) The question is what shall we prohibit trespass against? What is the scope of our demonstrated interests?
    and;
    (c) Westerners alone, developed military reporting, testimonial (empirical) truth, and truth-before-face, in confession, commons, and court. Truth before face regardless of cost to self image, reputation, the competence or dominance hierarchy, is a DUTY. That duty is the reason the west developed jury, democracy (jury), thang and sentate debate (jury), and the reason, empiricism, and science, that almost alone dragged mankind out of superstition, ignorance, and poverty.
    And;
    (d) Truth before face is horoic, a contribution to the commons (a tax, sacrifice), and a status symbol for men, who demonstrate they are willing to risk conflict for the common good. But it is an risk for women and effeminate men, because they seek to avoid conflict at a cost to the common good. Ergo men ‘adult’ the sexes, ad women “infantilize” the sexes, in any and all matters of the commons. The cognitive difference between men and women is male systematizing over time seeking responsibiity and capital even by risk for status, vs female empathizing in time seeking evasion of responsibilty and capital accumulation in favor of huperconsumption at low risk. Hence female irresponsibility for the commons, hyperconsumption, and hypergamy.
    But;
    (e) The introduction of women into the voting pool without either training women to avoid their evasion of responsibility for the commons, or placing a requrement for demonstrated competency in matters of the commons, opened teh door for postwar ‘feminization and infantilization’ of the institutional, political, economic, educational, social, familial, informational, and familial commons. Thereby destroying truth before face, realism, naturalism, empiricism, testimony, law, social norms and traditions, and the family as the first system of intergenerational production. And it’s unconsious, involuntary, instinct. And it resulted in the same as it has in every other past condition including the feminization of the french court, the christian destruction of the classical world, and the fall of spartans and their civilization.
    Therefore;
    (f) We must fight in war, we must forgoe crime, we must pay taxes, we must adhere to the natural law (law proper), and we must speak the truth before face regardless of cost, or we cannot have rule of law, jury, democracy, the high trust society, the economic, innovative, adaptive, evolutionary gains of the west that evolved faster than the rest whenever possible in the bronze (indo european), iron (mediterranean) and steel (atlantic) ages. And with that evolution we ended 2000 years of stagnation, poverty, disease and suffering, and dragged mankind kicking and screaming of ignorance, superstition poverty, starvation, disease, suffering, and early death.
    Therefore;
    (g) the biological differences between classes, ethnicities, civilizations, and races is as significant as the difference betwen the sexes. And for the same reasons: i) the degree of neotenic evolution of the race ii) the degree of genetic load in the classes iii) the asymmetry of classes between races and ethnicities iv) and the necessity of and the tendency for sexes, classes, ethnicities, civiliizations, and races to rely on kin preference and kin selection simply because they have more INTERESTS IN COMMON than those otherwise. As such given that the most scarce resource is cooperation, and that indifference between individuals and groups is a NECESSARY behavioral economy that cannot be evaded.
    (h) So this creates a conflict between the needs of our cooperation in particular commons, and the needs of our cooperation by general trade.
    ie: Separation is the only possible solution.
    Cheers
    Curt Doolittle


    Source date (UTC): 2023-03-06 16:48:39 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632785273774915585

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632747665321791488

  • OMG – “College Students” Lot of these videos circulating. I remember feeling bad

    OMG – “College Students”
    Lot of these videos circulating. I remember feeling bad in poli sci when I couldn’t name but three of the sitting supreme court justices.
    This is why europeans, justifiably, think americans are ignorant… because they are. How on https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6htcNvxnVfg…


    Source date (UTC): 2023-03-06 14:48:53 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632755132445204482

  • RT @curtdoolittle: “Curt: Does the law protect us against canceling?” (a) Yes it

    RT @curtdoolittle: “Curt: Does the law protect us against canceling?”
    (a) Yes it did. And it needs to be re-established. (See attached text…


    Source date (UTC): 2023-03-06 14:21:58 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632748360535887880

  • The rather unfortunate other side of the western guarrantee of self determinatio

    The rather unfortunate other side of the western guarrantee of self determination by self determined means, is we insure you have a choice, but you must “choose wisely”. If a people allows its government to commit such crimes against humanity, then the people are guilty of doing so, and obviously will pay the price for their poor judgement.

    Iraq initiated the problem by Invading and destroying Kuwait. American mistake was in ‘not completeing the job’ at that time. Then Iraq harassed troops and challenging the no fly zone.

    The majority of deaths were due to th esunni-shia conflict and the insurgency.

    DEATHS
    –“Deaths by cause in the iraq war:
    Coalition military forces: According to official sources, a total of 4,431 coalition military personnel, including 4,488 US troops, were killed in the Iraq War.

    Iraqi military forces: It is estimated that between 20,000 and 30,000 Iraqi military personnel were killed in the conflict.

    Iraqi civilians: The number of Iraqi civilian deaths is a subject of debate and varies widely depending on the source. Some estimates suggest that over 100,000 civilians were killed, while others put the figure much higher. The majority of civilian deaths were caused by insurgent attacks, sectarian violence, and military operations.

    Insurgents: It is difficult to estimate the number of insurgents who were killed during the conflict. However, it is believed that many thousands were killed in US-led military operations, including air strikes and ground offensives.

    Contractors and journalists: A significant number of contractors and journalists were also killed during the Iraq War. According to official figures, 318 contractors and 144 journalists were killed.’–

    INSURGENTS
    —“The insurgents included a variety of groups with different motivations and ideologies, including:

    Ba’ath Party loyalists: Many former members of Saddam Hussein’s Ba’ath Party, which had ruled Iraq before the invasion, joined the insurgency. They were motivated by a desire to regain power and opposed the US-led occupation of the country.

    Sunni Arab militias: Sunni Arabs, who made up the majority of the Ba’ath Party and had held significant political and economic power under Saddam Hussein, also joined the insurgency. They were concerned about the loss of their influence and power under the new Shia-dominated government.

    Islamist militants: A number of Islamist groups, including Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), also joined the insurgency. These groups were motivated by a desire to establish an Islamic state in Iraq and to fight against what they saw as Western imperialism and influence in the Middle East.

    Criminal groups: Some criminal organizations joined the insurgency to take advantage of the instability and to profit from illegal activities.”—

    CAUSES
    –“There are several reasons why so many people died in the Iraq War:

    1. Military conflict: The Iraq War was a military conflict, and therefore, there were many casualties on both sides. The United States, which led the invasion, deployed a large number of troops, and faced significant resistance from Iraqi forces. The fighting was intense and led to many casualties on both sides.

    2. Insurgency and terrorism: After the initial invasion, there was a prolonged insurgency in Iraq, which was marked by terrorist attacks, suicide bombings, and other forms of violence. These attacks targeted both military personnel and civilians, resulting in a high number of deaths.

    3. Sectarian conflict: The Iraq War also exacerbated existing sectarian tensions in the country between the Shia and Sunni populations. This led to violent clashes, including attacks on civilians and mass killings.

    4. Infrastructure damage: The war caused significant damage to the country’s infrastructure, including hospitals, water treatment plants, and electrical grids. This damage led to a deterioration in public health and safety, resulting in additional deaths.”—


    Source date (UTC): 2023-03-05 01:37:31 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632193590846734336

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632188575541256192

  • The rather unfortunate other side of the western guarrantee of self determinatio

    The rather unfortunate other side of the western guarrantee of self determination by self determined means, is we insure you have a choice, but you must “choose wisely”. If a people allows its government to commit such crimes against humanity, then the people are guilty of doing so, and obviously will pay the price for their poor judgement.

    Iraq initiated the problem by Invading and destroying Kuwait. American mistake was in ‘not completeing the job’ at that time. Then Iraq harassed troops and challenging the no fly zone.

    The majority of deaths were due to th esunni-shia conflict and the insurgency.

    DEATHS
    –“Deaths by cause in the iraq war:
    Coalition military forces: According to official sources, a total of 4,431 coalition military personnel, including 4,488 US troops, were killed in the Iraq War.

    Iraqi military forces: It is estimated that between 20,000 and 30,000 Iraqi military personnel were killed in the conflict.

    Iraqi civilians: The number of Iraqi civilian deaths is a subject of debate and varies widely depending on the source. Some estimates suggest that over 100,000 civilians were killed, while others put the figure much higher. The majority of civilian deaths were caused by insurgent attacks, sectarian violence, and military operations.

    Insurgents: It is difficult to estimate the number of insurgents who were killed during the conflict. However, it is believed that many thousands were killed in US-led military operations, including air strikes and ground offensives.

    Contractors and journalists: A significant number of contractors and journalists were also killed during the Iraq War. According to official figures, 318 contractors and 144 journalists were killed.’–

    INSURGENTS
    —“The insurgents included a variety of groups with different motivations and ideologies, including:

    Ba’ath Party loyalists: Many former members of Saddam Hussein’s Ba’ath Party, which had ruled Iraq before the invasion, joined the insurgency. They were motivated by a desire to regain power and opposed the US-led occupation of the country.

    Sunni Arab militias: Sunni Arabs, who made up the majority of the Ba’ath Party and had held significant political and economic power under Saddam Hussein, also joined the insurgency. They were concerned about the loss of their influence and power under the new Shia-dominated government.

    Islamist militants: A number of Islamist groups, including Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), also joined the insurgency. These groups were motivated by a desire to establish an Islamic state in Iraq and to fight against what they saw as Western imperialism and influence in the Middle East.

    Criminal groups: Some criminal organizations joined the insurgency to take advantage of the instability and to profit from illegal activities.”—

    CAUSES
    –“There are several reasons why so many people died in the Iraq War:

    1. Military conflict: The Iraq War was a military conflict, and therefore, there were many casualties on both sides. The United States, which led the invasion, deployed a large number of troops, and faced significant resistance from Iraqi forces. The fighting was intense and led to many casualties on both sides.

    2. Insurgency and terrorism: After the initial invasion, there was a prolonged insurgency in Iraq, which was marked by terrorist attacks, suicide bombings, and other forms of violence. These attacks targeted both military personnel and civilians, resulting in a high number of deaths.

    3. Sectarian conflict: The Iraq War also exacerbated existing sectarian tensions in the country between the Shia and Sunni populations. This led to violent clashes, including attacks on civilians and mass killings.

    4. Infrastructure damage: The war caused significant damage to the country’s infrastructure, including hospitals, water treatment plants, and electrical grids. This damage led to a deterioration in public health and safety, resulting in additional deaths.”—

    Reply addressees: @MauriceeAubin


    Source date (UTC): 2023-03-05 01:37:31 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632193590439886848

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632188575541256192

  • Hard to imagine that’s true given all the evidence everywhere in the world. Comp

    Hard to imagine that’s true given all the evidence everywhere in the world. Compare the right (christian, jeffersonian, rule of law, natural law) with left (authoritarian, socialist, communist) all are hostile to natural law, rule of law, christianity, and all the responsibiilty they require. I mean, nazis were left-socialists, ussr was left socialist, china was left communist, the failed states of south america were left-socialists. I can’t think of anyone that’s right wing (christian, jeffersonian, rule of law, natural law) that’s anywhere near as military as the left is almost everywhere – for the simple reason that naturallaw doesn’t requires we change people. Only that we police irreciprocity that violates natural law.

    Reply addressees: @MauriceeAubin


    Source date (UTC): 2023-03-04 21:50:57 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632136572651831296

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632134713597886469