Theme: Coercion

  • How Does A Country Get A Good Balance Between Socialism And Capitalism?

    I’ll back up TJ Claridge’s post and say that you’re misusing the terms.

    I think you mean to say, how much interference in the economy by the government produces a Pareto Optimum? 

    We call this a mixed economy.  That is, a capitalist economy (which is the only economy possible long term), with social democratic redistribution via taxation.   Under social democracy, property is owned by individuals, but proceeds are forcibly taken from those people for redistributive purposes. Social democracy is not socialism, since property is not owned by the state, and production is not organized by the state. (It cannot be, that’s why it isn’t). 

    In practice nearly all governments today practice social democracy.  The difference is only in the level of corruption involved. Even very good people in the world (Hindus) have a tragically corrupt country.

    Greece for example has both high corruption (bureaucratic) and high avoidance (personal).  America has very sophisticated corruption (systemic), very little interpersonal bureaucratic corruption other than systemic corruption, and very little personal avoidance.

    https://www.quora.com/How-does-a-country-get-a-good-balance-between-socialism-and-capitalism

  • How Does A Country Get A Good Balance Between Socialism And Capitalism?

    I’ll back up TJ Claridge’s post and say that you’re misusing the terms.

    I think you mean to say, how much interference in the economy by the government produces a Pareto Optimum? 

    We call this a mixed economy.  That is, a capitalist economy (which is the only economy possible long term), with social democratic redistribution via taxation.   Under social democracy, property is owned by individuals, but proceeds are forcibly taken from those people for redistributive purposes. Social democracy is not socialism, since property is not owned by the state, and production is not organized by the state. (It cannot be, that’s why it isn’t). 

    In practice nearly all governments today practice social democracy.  The difference is only in the level of corruption involved. Even very good people in the world (Hindus) have a tragically corrupt country.

    Greece for example has both high corruption (bureaucratic) and high avoidance (personal).  America has very sophisticated corruption (systemic), very little interpersonal bureaucratic corruption other than systemic corruption, and very little personal avoidance.

    https://www.quora.com/How-does-a-country-get-a-good-balance-between-socialism-and-capitalism

  • North America: Why Is The Dominant Racial/ethnic Narrative Between ‘white’ America And ‘black’ America When The State Of ‘native’ America Ought To Be Addressed First?

    There is no ‘ought’ in politics between groups.  Politics consists of: is, can, cannot between groups.  Oughts are an in-group question.  The reason being that while we may sacrifice for our kin (kin selection), we only cooperate with our non-kin (utilitarian).  If non-kin cause us sacrifice, then that is parasitism, not cooperation, and certainly not kin selection.

    The reason for the black white conflict is (a) the south was a very different civilization and the US government was funded by export duties provided by the south.  THe north was supplying manufactured goods to the expanding interior.   When Napoleon sold the Louisiana Purchase, it meant that the southern states with their agrarian biases, would gain allies in the newly created territories, and thereby overpower the northern states in government, causing a southern-run government. 

    Slavery was the ‘moral’ message that this political and economic conflict was couched within.  It was largely, if not purely, a distraction tactic.

    The defeat of the south aside, the major problem was the forcible integration of the races under the premise that we are genetically equal in ability and temperment, and that environment was the only factor (blank slate).

    Without that forcible integration it would not have been a problem.

    However, it turns out that the opposite is true, that between 60-80% of our behavior is genetically determined. That the remainder is not necessairly ‘environmental’ but something that we do not yet fully understand. And that groups (races, classes, tribes) form kinship alliances, and that within these alliances we see unequal distribution of talents – particularly, 1) impulsivity 2) aggression, 3) verbal intelligence, and less meaningfully, 4) Spatial intelligence. 

    So by forced integration we are unable to develop norms, memes, traditions, and habits that suit the individuals in the different groups. 

    These are the reasons for the conflict. No one complains about asians.  We complain about blacks and hispanics on one end, and jews on the other.  And native americans, because they are literally invisible, are irrelevant compared to the other conflicts.

    https://www.quora.com/North-America-Why-is-the-dominant-racial-ethnic-narrative-between-White-America-and-Black-America-when-the-state-of-Native-America-ought-to-be-addressed-first

  • “… thinks land tax will reduce urban sprawl. This is not the case. You will si

    —“… thinks land tax will reduce urban sprawl. This is not the case.

    You will simply give your surplus back to a centralised state apparatus that can only dump goods of little to no utility onto you.. The credit system is centralized in the modern state.”—


    Source date (UTC): 2015-02-18 02:10:00 UTC

  • MORE SOPHISTICATED VERSION OF CREDIT SLAVERY —“The modern State is an unlimite

    MORE SOPHISTICATED VERSION OF CREDIT SLAVERY

    —“The modern State is an unlimited liability corporation, of which the citizens are the workers and guarantors, and the financial system the beneficiary”—


    Source date (UTC): 2015-02-18 02:09:00 UTC

  • A SWORD IS THE MAKER OF COVENANTS — ‘Covenants, without the sword, are but wor

    A SWORD IS THE MAKER OF COVENANTS

    — ‘Covenants, without the sword, are but words, and of no strength to secure a man at all.’ —

    [Hobbes, Leviathan, chapter 17, 117.]


    Source date (UTC): 2015-02-17 13:42:00 UTC

  • WARFARE –“While particular generational delineations are somewhat arbitrary, th

    http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/modern-warfare-defense-planning-by-joseph-s–nye-2015-02#BFDusSY38tvwVO1w.99N-GENERATION WARFARE

    –“While particular generational delineations are somewhat arbitrary, they reflect an important trend: the blurring of the military front and the civilian rear. Accelerating this shift is the replacement of interstate war by armed conflict involving non-state actors such as insurgent groups, terrorist networks, militias, and criminal organizations.

    Read more at http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/modern-warfare-defense-planning-by-joseph-s–nye-2015-02#BFDusSY38tvwVO1w.99″–

    Are libertarians stupid enough to fail to grasp that the purpose of the state was to prevent this form of war?


    Source date (UTC): 2015-02-09 04:09:00 UTC

  • If someone Ridicules, Gossips, Rallies and Shames us as a means of obscuring the

    If someone Ridicules, Gossips, Rallies and Shames us as a means of obscuring their thefts and their lies, why are we not in the right to use violence against them? Isn’t truthfulness in argument required for us to eschew violence and enter into mutually productive, cooperative debate? Why can people attempt to create taboos to obscure their lies and thefts?


    Source date (UTC): 2015-02-01 11:44:00 UTC

  • “What, if i may ask, is your criticism of Miller? it would be interesting to see

    —“What, if i may ask, is your criticism of Miller? it would be interesting to see if it holds water”— Ayelam Valentine Agaliba

    (reposted for archival purposes)

    Val,

    I don’t disagree with Miller’s multiple “standards of justice”. I just would state it very differently, as necessities, demands, incentives, and evolutionary strategies. I mean, I say the same thing. I just say it very differently.) That said, standard of logical decidability in all matters is provided by one universal moral rule that is necessary – but we can build infinitely complex systems upon it. That one rule provides us with Decidability in law regardless of construction of social norms, and that single, necessary inescapable, universal logical test is very different from the contractual terms by which we construct social orders out of various exchanges, and inside of which we produce multiple standards of justice.

    One thought: (A Criticism)

    —“By mistakenly supposing that thinking intelligently is identical with

    thinking logically, critical thinking textbooks almost invariably regard the purpose of argument to be a combination of justification and persuasion, authoritarian goals that critical rationalists, and other supporters of the open society, must shun. “— David Miller (Abstract)

    Well, his criticism is correct, in that our populace is being taught very bad (justificationary ideas). But then, he doesn’t solve the problem. Popper’s argument is much narrower than Miller intuits.

    So, I think that this is not quite right. Instead:

    (a) I must justify my actions in accordance with objective morality, local norms and laws. (I must show that I met terms of the contract for cooperation – thus if I err I am blameless and free of restitution.)

    (b) I must warranty my testimony is truthful by critically prosecuting it.

    (c) I must(can) Innovate (reason / Develop Theories) by any free associative principle possible.

    I believe that is the correct hierarchy. Because it is a NECESSARY hierarchy. Just as these are necessary hierarchies:

    (a) Tautology, Deduction, Induction, Abduction, Guessing, and Free associating.

    (b) Teleological ethics, deontological ethics, virtue ethics, and intuitionistic ethics.

    (c) Murder, violence, theft, fraud, omission, indirection, socialization, free riding, privatization, rent seeking, corruption, conspiracy, conversion, invasion, conquest, and destruction.

    (d) manners, ethics, morals, laws, constitutions, property.

    (e) life, movement, memory, cost, property, cooperation, norms, property rights laws, government, state, empire.

    So, I while I understand Miller’s assumption, he is making a mistake of ‘one-ness’ or ‘monopoly’ that is a byproduct of some rather structural errors implicit in the use of logic in the discipline of philosophy. Which, if were instead, express not as manipulation of sets (which is how he works if I remember correctly) , but as a sequence of possible actions (existentially possible categories of actions), then he might not make this mistake. I mean, it seems that falsification is a hammer, and everything appears to be a nail. But at some point this is nothing but framing (using concepts one has specialization in, rather than integrating those concepts into the greater whole.

    And in this case, the greater whole, is the universal language of truth telling: science. And until insights obtained through logical analysis can be converted into truthful speech (scientific language) then it remains UNFALSIFIED. <– ***Which is my underlying argument.***

    One of the things economics teaches you is to think about equilibrating processes that negate all our actions into the realm of marginal indifference, rather than seeking binary truth of states.

    So I would argue that we should be taught the following:

    1) Manners, ethics, and Morality under the Golden Rule, Silver Rule, and the one-rule of property and voluntary exchange. The miracle of cooperation. How we insure one another in a multitude of ways.

    2) Truthfulness, Witness and Testimony (Operationalism and Existential Possibility) as well as how to spot errors in truthfulness, witness, and testimony.

    3) Logic, Grammar, Rhetoric, Debate and Oratory (as we once were), including how to spot ignorance, error, bias, deception, and Loading-Framing-Overloading (“Suggestion that overwhelms reason”).

    4) External Correspondence (empirical observation, analysis and testing) with a nod to Instrumentalism. And how to falsify external correspondence. What a pseudoscience is, and how to spot it.

    5) How to use free association (what we call ‘creativity’) “Filling the shelves of your mind, and then ‘playing’. Which is a discipline if you work at it. (It’s my preferred discipline.)

    6) arithmetic, accounting, finance, economics (in that order)

    7) Mathematics, Algebra, Geometry and Trigonometry, and at least the ‘idea’ of calculus. But taught as the history of the development of these problems that people were solving, instead of as wrote. With far more emphasis on word problems.

    8) Mind. Biology. Chemistry, Physics, (in that order)

    And honestly, I think all philosophy is discardable except as an interesting inquiry into the intellectual history of the struggle to develop science: Truth telling.

    I hope this puts my criticism of Miller in perspective.

    Curt Doolittle


    Source date (UTC): 2015-02-01 10:29:00 UTC

  • LOANING ONE’S VIOLENCE TO THE STATE (oldie but goodie) —“”To the State: If for

    LOANING ONE’S VIOLENCE TO THE STATE

    (oldie but goodie)

    —“”To the State:

    If for a moment, you forget that you are dispensing my violence on my behalf;

    and you seek to treat me not as a citizen who bestows upon you my violence, to be justly administered, but a subject who must obey rules;

    and if you believe and act as though the law not as a convenient tool for the resolution of differences between peers, but a scripture that I must obey as a subject;

    then it is not only my right, but my duty to myself and others, to take back from you my borrowed violence, and to remind you if I can, and teach you if I must, that the source of that violence you dispense is the citizenry.

    If I must remind the state, then I hope it is by this simple, gentle oratory. But if that will not suffice, I will not resort to the display of petty personal violence, nor to the disorder of rabble and protest. Because that is not the capacity of violence that I gave to the state.

    I will instead raise an army and show you what violence it is that I do restrain, so that you are once again reminded, that you are an actor on my behalf, and on behalf of my fellow citizens – and nothing more.

    And if you doubt for a moment that I can do such a thing, I will be only so happy to prove it to you, by starting in this very room, on this very day, if necessary.””—

    Cry not havoc but order. And bring forth the men of war.


    Source date (UTC): 2015-01-25 15:40:00 UTC