Curt Doolittle

Theme: Civilization

  • Q:”The Trials of Achilles?”

    Q:”The Trials of Achilles?” https://propertarianism.com/2020/05/25/qthe-trials-of-achilles/

    Source date (UTC): 2020-05-25 18:43:10 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264990407336828928

  • Q:”The Trials of Achilles?”

    Jan 24, 2020, 11:00 AM

    —“You keep mentioning trials of Achilles but I have no idea what that’s intended to refer and I wonder if you’re not thinking of labors of Heracles?”—Martin Štěpán

    The greeks invented the tragedy (nietzsche), and it was a novel technology of social order that justified sacrifice as heroism, and unity in that sacrifice and heroism. it made tragedy a positive social theme of shared debt (cost) experience. The Iliad is a tragedy, the tragedy of achilles, as he goes through multiple trials. The trials of achilles refer to each of the episodes where he prevails – only to ask, but at what cost? “Trial: a person, thing, or situation that tests a person’s endurance or forbearance.” It is easy to see why the jews tried to create an underclass Achilles. Because the tragedy had already been saturated across the greek world: “undermine from within.” The same is true for the Odyssey. if we take achilles , alexander, and odyssey we have the entire arc of tragedy. The ‘weak’ (defensive) version is Arthur and Jesus.

  • Q:”The Trials of Achilles?”

    Jan 24, 2020, 11:00 AM

    —“You keep mentioning trials of Achilles but I have no idea what that’s intended to refer and I wonder if you’re not thinking of labors of Heracles?”—Martin Štěpán

    The greeks invented the tragedy (nietzsche), and it was a novel technology of social order that justified sacrifice as heroism, and unity in that sacrifice and heroism. it made tragedy a positive social theme of shared debt (cost) experience. The Iliad is a tragedy, the tragedy of achilles, as he goes through multiple trials. The trials of achilles refer to each of the episodes where he prevails – only to ask, but at what cost? “Trial: a person, thing, or situation that tests a person’s endurance or forbearance.” It is easy to see why the jews tried to create an underclass Achilles. Because the tragedy had already been saturated across the greek world: “undermine from within.” The same is true for the Odyssey. if we take achilles , alexander, and odyssey we have the entire arc of tragedy. The ‘weak’ (defensive) version is Arthur and Jesus.

  • A Lesson of How a Warrior Is to To Become a King: Through Nobility

    A Lesson of How a Warrior Is to To Become a King: Through Nobility. https://propertarianism.com/2020/05/25/a-lesson-of-how-a-warrior-is-to-to-become-a-king-through-nobility/

    Source date (UTC): 2020-05-25 18:42:21 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264990205322330112

  • A Lesson of How a Warrior Is to To Become a King: Through Nobility.

    There are values to be learned from both Achilles(a King who is not yet noble) and Hector (a warrior who is noble). However, what does it say about rage, power, and forgiveness to men who would be kings? Iliad and Odyssey are two books in what is called the Epic Cycle. The “Bible” of the ancient world. There were six others that told the other parts. The other books were much shorter And one amendment to them: the Aeneid. THE EPIC CYCLE: ACT I 1. Cypria – preamble and first nine years of the war.

    2. Illiad – The rage of achilles

    ACT II 3. Aetheiopis – death of achilles 4. Little Illiad – building the trojan horse

    5. Iliou Persis – sack of troy

    ACTIII 6. Nostoi – Everyone but odysseus returns home 7. Odyssey – Odysseus’ journey home

    8. Telogony – Odysseus gets killed

    POSTSCRIPT 9. Aneid – The last trojan goes west. (added later). The others are largely lost. But most of the dramas (plays) take place during these stories. And there is a lot of written commentary. So we can reconstruct them. The Iliad is “A Story of Achilles Rage” or “The Rage of Achilles“. But Priam comes to Achilles and they settle the rage. He learns to forgive his enemies and abandon his rage. It is a story of aristocracy becoming through respect and forgiveness. It is a lesson of how a warrior is to to become a king: Through Nobility.

  • A Lesson of How a Warrior Is to To Become a King: Through Nobility.

    There are values to be learned from both Achilles(a King who is not yet noble) and Hector (a warrior who is noble). However, what does it say about rage, power, and forgiveness to men who would be kings? Iliad and Odyssey are two books in what is called the Epic Cycle. The “Bible” of the ancient world. There were six others that told the other parts. The other books were much shorter And one amendment to them: the Aeneid. THE EPIC CYCLE: ACT I 1. Cypria – preamble and first nine years of the war.

    2. Illiad – The rage of achilles

    ACT II 3. Aetheiopis – death of achilles 4. Little Illiad – building the trojan horse

    5. Iliou Persis – sack of troy

    ACTIII 6. Nostoi – Everyone but odysseus returns home 7. Odyssey – Odysseus’ journey home

    8. Telogony – Odysseus gets killed

    POSTSCRIPT 9. Aneid – The last trojan goes west. (added later). The others are largely lost. But most of the dramas (plays) take place during these stories. And there is a lot of written commentary. So we can reconstruct them. The Iliad is “A Story of Achilles Rage” or “The Rage of Achilles“. But Priam comes to Achilles and they settle the rage. He learns to forgive his enemies and abandon his rage. It is a story of aristocracy becoming through respect and forgiveness. It is a lesson of how a warrior is to to become a king: Through Nobility.

  • Parallels and Differences Homeric and Semitic

    Parallels and Differences Homeric and Semitic https://propertarianism.com/2020/05/25/parallels-and-differences-homeric-and-semitic/

    Source date (UTC): 2020-05-25 18:34:34 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264988246443831297

  • Parallels and Differences Homeric and Semitic

    Common themes in the Bible and Homer.

    adamvoight.wordpress.com By Don Miguel (Must read) You are correct about how fundamental Homer’s work was to the classical worldview. If you read the Platonic dialogue “Ion”, it is clear that the Greeks say Homer as a conduit of divine scripture. My only criticism is that in my view the parallels between the Biblical and Homeric metanarratives are many, strong, adn far more important than the differences. Some of these similarities are discussed in my below-linked blog post. The main difference is that in the Bible, God promises to give the protagonists possession over the land of the antagonists 500 years earlier for no apparent reason and the antagonists are not characters in the drama other than as “the bad guys”. In the Illiad, both sides are seen as good and heroic in their own way and the war is just a by-product of an ultimately meaningless conflict among the gods. In my view, this is the main difference between them. Which of these two are more relevant to our current situation? I think it’s the former, since our enemies have no real claim to equality with us; our conflict with them is not just a misunderstanding or bad luck as it is in the Illiad. Most the Norse myths also lack a villian who is wholly “other”- for example Loki cannot even tell a lie when he is trapped by Thyrm. The giants are just the impersonal forces of nature or chaos. In the Mahabharata, the Pandavas and the Kauravas are both relatives and both end up meeting in heaven. The Canaanites, Philistines, Judas and the Synagogue of Satan are not noble like Priam and Hector. That is the main difference between them in my view. Our struggle at this late point in history is for higher stakes. We are no longer at the level of “may the best man win”. https://adamvoight.wordpress.com/2018/09/21/common-themes-in-the-bible-and-homer/

  • Parallels and Differences Homeric and Semitic

    Common themes in the Bible and Homer.

    adamvoight.wordpress.com By Don Miguel (Must read) You are correct about how fundamental Homer’s work was to the classical worldview. If you read the Platonic dialogue “Ion”, it is clear that the Greeks say Homer as a conduit of divine scripture. My only criticism is that in my view the parallels between the Biblical and Homeric metanarratives are many, strong, adn far more important than the differences. Some of these similarities are discussed in my below-linked blog post. The main difference is that in the Bible, God promises to give the protagonists possession over the land of the antagonists 500 years earlier for no apparent reason and the antagonists are not characters in the drama other than as “the bad guys”. In the Illiad, both sides are seen as good and heroic in their own way and the war is just a by-product of an ultimately meaningless conflict among the gods. In my view, this is the main difference between them. Which of these two are more relevant to our current situation? I think it’s the former, since our enemies have no real claim to equality with us; our conflict with them is not just a misunderstanding or bad luck as it is in the Illiad. Most the Norse myths also lack a villian who is wholly “other”- for example Loki cannot even tell a lie when he is trapped by Thyrm. The giants are just the impersonal forces of nature or chaos. In the Mahabharata, the Pandavas and the Kauravas are both relatives and both end up meeting in heaven. The Canaanites, Philistines, Judas and the Synagogue of Satan are not noble like Priam and Hector. That is the main difference between them in my view. Our struggle at this late point in history is for higher stakes. We are no longer at the level of “may the best man win”. https://adamvoight.wordpress.com/2018/09/21/common-themes-in-the-bible-and-homer/

  • Definitions: Human Organizations

    Hamlet: a small settlement, generally one smaller than a village, usually a collection of homes in a rural or agrarian region. Village: a group of houses and associated buildings, larger than a hamlet and smaller than a town, situated in a rural area, and possessing minor local commerce. Town: an urban area that has a name, defined boundaries, and local government, and that is generally larger than a village and smaller than a city, with an economy primarily of agricultural, crafts, or light industry. City: A large human settlement in a permanent and densely settled place with administratively defined boundaries whose members work primarily on non-agricultural tasks, and possessing a financial center for the organization of capital. Quarter: a part of a town or city having a specific character or use. *Ghetto(Aliens): a part of a city in which members of a minority group live, typically as a result of social, legal, or economic pressure. *Enclave(Aliens): a portion of territory within or surrounded by a larger territory whose inhabitants are culturally or ethnically distinct. *Colony(Alien): (a) a group of people of one nationality or ethnic group living in a foreign city or country. (b a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country, typically a distant one, and occupied by settlers from that country.) Estate (Proto Plantation): an extensive area of land in the country, usually with a large house, owned by one person, family, or organization. *Plantation (Proto Fief): a usually large farm or estate, especially in a tropical or semitropical country, on which cash crops, including cotton, tobacco, coffee, sugar cane, is cultivated, usually by resident laborers. Manor: (especially in England and Wales) a unit of land, originally a feudal lordship, consisting of a lord’s demesne and lands rented to tenants. (Today: a large country house with lands; the principal house of a landed estate.) Fief(proto-state): an estate of land, especially one held on condition of feudal service. Demesne (land): land attached to a manor and retained for the owner’s own use. Protectorate (military): a state that is controlled and protected by another. State(politics): a territory with an organized political community under one government. Country (territory): A state, with a government, occupying a particular territory. Nation(Ethnicity): a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory. Nation-State(Ethnicity): a sovereign state whose citizens or subjects are relatively homogeneous in factors such as language or common descent. Federation(politics): a group of states with a central government but independence in internal affairs. Confederation: a more or less permanent union of countries with some or most political power vested in a central authority. League: a collection of people, countries, or groups that combine for a particular purpose, typically mutual protection or cooperation. Empire(politics): an extensive group of states or countries under a single supreme authority, formerly especially an emperor or empress. Civilization: the largest organization of humans with common race, ethnicity, history, culture, religion and often language.