Theme: Civilization

  • When the lost generation was crushed by the world wars, we lost not only empires

    When the lost generation was crushed by the world wars, we lost not only empires, but the remnants of aristocratic values that accompanied them, producing ‘lost people’. These lost people re-entered a world that was hopelessly changed,
    It is very hard to blame any generation given that it’s responding to events that existed during it’s youth and teens.
    I think I have a grasp of’what went wrong’ and it’s largely that the wars opened teh doors for the marxist sequence, and the conversion of the colleges and universities postwar such that the elite institutions stopped training the ‘pseudo-noble’ american families with that traditional loyalty, led to credentialism on one hand and the capacity of marxists and progressives to bypass those traditions and instead use those educations and media to destroy our civilization from within. I Mean, carnegie was seeking to merge the soviets with the americans. That kind of idiocy was everywhere: the belief that you can replace aristocratic traditions that made the west rather than lift up the other lasses into that system and build upon it.

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    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-18 22:40:39 UTC

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  • WHAT MONUMENTS COULD MODERNS BUILD? cc: @robinhanson All, Hanson’s point is that

    WHAT MONUMENTS COULD MODERNS BUILD?
    cc: @robinhanson
    All,
    Hanson’s point is that to compare with ancient and medieval world investments, monuments must reflect a substantial investment in GDP. And, other than the space program, which cost something like one percent of just the budget, there are no longer monumental investments of that nature.

    Now, I’ve mentioned in an earlier post, the changes in incentives between then and now, but I haven’t mentioned that such investments are almost always architectural in some nature, since ‘all art begins with architecture’.

    So, are there any architectural investments capable of monumental expression that can consume, say, like cathedrals, twenty percent of GDP, and for sometimes, a century or more.

    Well, there are two possible conclusions from answering this question.
    1) We would need to build what is effectively a monumental city.
    2) We could build what is effectively a monumental COMMONS – everywhere.

    With a current GDP of 25 Trillion, devotion of say, we currently have a 4+ Trillion dollar budget. Now, to reach the same levels of investment, we’d need an additional five trillion per year on the construction of new monumental architecture employing vast numbers of people, on Monumental Cities and Tows, and, as did Napoleon, by converting the decrepitude of Paris into an urban heaven we still visit today with envy and joy – despite that democratic governments have done little to maintain and preserve it – produce our own pride, unity, and joy.

    There are achievements. We excel at them. They are our monuments today. But, perhaps, we should seek achievements in monumental construction instead of monumental consumption. 😉

    Affections
    CD

    Reply addressees: @auny_marie @Hail__To_You @robinhanson


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-17 19:01:43 UTC

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  • WHY DON’T MODERNS BUILD MONUMENTS —“..ancient societies spent ~5-20% of their

    WHY DON’T MODERNS BUILD MONUMENTS
    —“..ancient societies spent ~5-20% of their GDP on monumental buildings. Why did they spend so much compared to us on such things?”—@robinhanson

    I’ve worked on this issue for a number of years. First, it’s surprising just how extraordinary are the very long term returns on production of monuments. Second, it’s rather easy to understand the incentives, in particular the difficulty in otherwise investing surplus production under agrarianism’s perishability of surpluses. Third They function as a massive redistribution program producing loyalty and legitimacy. Fourth, the institutional legitimacy produced: same as gods, they abstract and depersonalize loyalty in-time to over-time). Fifth, they are a status symbol that is very difficult to compete with, which in turn produces legitimacy in every dimension from human aesthetic and spiritual identification of ‘resources’ to pride and unification of the polity, to trade to tourism (pilgrimage), to war. ‘Wonder’ (the presence of resources) that makes humans feel small (submission to power) is effectively a calming effect (sedative) against anxiety.

    Now, (a) once we have democracy and politicians who must serve the voters (b) voters can extract the capital for their own consumption instead of concentrating it in long term indirect returns.

    Aristocracy produces art. Democracy does not.

    Cheers
    CD

    Reply addressees: @Hail__To_You @robinhanson


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-17 12:11:43 UTC

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  • “The Uninvested Surplus Capital of the Civilization” 1. People may produce a sur

    “The Uninvested Surplus Capital of the Civilization”
    1. People may produce a surplus of capital.
    2. The people’s can spend a surplus (consumption) or invest a surplus.
    3. So surplus capital is that which is neither needed for consumption, use, or investment in production producing useful returns – at the sale and time frame that individuals, organizations, and industries and the private finance sector can organize capital to pursue.
    3. Political Institutions seek to appropriate this surplus before it is consumed or invested by seduction (false promise), coercive behavior(incentive), interest, fees, taxation and debt expansion(material costs).
    4. Institutions either consume this appropriated capital for themselves and their clientele, invest in commons that produce for the commons and clientele, or spend or invest ostensively for the commons and clientele.
    5. Individuals and some groups, seek social status, meaning the capacity to attract opportunities for one’s benefit, and clientele who one can serve in exchange for this status and influence over opportunities, by attempting to appropriate and if feasible seek to maximize appropriated capital for their status and clientele, and if at all possible, obtain a monopoly over that appropriated capital.
    ie: For social status, clientele, and personal benefit, it’s better to be the monopolist of a system even if tit causes the system to shrink.

    CONSEQUENCE
    The consequences of institutions appropriating and monopolizing the surplus capital, include: reduced economic growth, increased inequality, loss of trust in the institutions “Failure of Confidence in the Public Sector” or social unrest, or civil war, and transfer of confidence to institutions organizations and people that different factions in this social unrest DO trust.

    Via Dr Bradley, re: Carroll Quigley.


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-16 21:38:23 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1791221684650885120

  • MYTHICISM IN THE ABRAHAMIC TRADITION VS HISTORY IN THE EUROPEAN TRADITION |VERSU

    MYTHICISM IN THE ABRAHAMIC TRADITION VS HISTORY IN THE EUROPEAN TRADITION

    |VERSUS|: Europeans: Aristocracy, History and Natural Law
    vs
    Semites: Priesthood, Mythicism and Authoritarian Law.

    Context (Origins)
    Much of the mythicism in the Abrahamic tradition is relatively recent…


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-14 20:09:34 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1790474555330326679

  • MYTHICISM IN THE ABRAHAMIC TRADITION VS HISTORY IN THE EUROPEAN TRADITION |VERSU

    MYTHICISM IN THE ABRAHAMIC TRADITION VS HISTORY IN THE EUROPEAN TRADITION

    |VERSUS|: Europeans: Aristocracy, History and Natural Law
    vs
    Semites: Priesthood, Mythicism and Authoritarian Law.

    Context (Origins)
    Much of the mythicism in the Abrahamic tradition is relatively recent (between the 2nd century BCE and the 1st century AD) aligns with the period of Hellenistic influence and the formation of key texts and ideas in Judaism and early Christianity.
    During this time, Jewish thought was influenced by Greek philosophy, and significant religious literature, including the Dead Sea Scrolls and the apocryphal and pseudepigraphal writings, was produced.
    This period also saw the development of the Pharisaic and early Rabbinic traditions, which further shaped Jewish and Christian religious thought.

    Mythicism (Covey Meaning Produced by Others)
    Mythicism refers the production of fictional history by incorporating events, people, myths, legends, loading, framing, and propaganda. The audience is left with the responsibility of interpreting these figures or stories as symbolic, allegorical, or fictional, rather than as real, historical events or individuals. Mythicism was, historically the interpretation of ‘wisdom literatures’ produced by mythicism especially among south eurasians from the west coast of north africa to the east coast of India. The Chinese chose a philosophy of harmony (social), and somewhat mythologized the past. The europeans chose rational (legal, political) philosophy and sought to produce history (legal evidence).

    Properties of Mythicism:
    – Symbolic Interpretation: Mythicism interprets religious or historical narratives as symbolic or allegorical, often conveying deeper truths or cultural values.
    – Skeptical of Historicity: Mythicists often question or deny the historical existence of certain figures (e.g., Jesus Christ in some versions of Jesus myth theory).
    – Cultural and Religious Context: Myths are seen as products of their cultural and religious contexts, reflecting the beliefs, values, and practices of the people who created them.
    – Narrative Structure: Mythic narratives often involve supernatural elements, deities, or heroes, and serve to explain natural phenomena, human behavior, or cultural traditions.

    History (Derive Meaning Yourself From Evidence)
    History consists of the study of past events, particularly those involving human activities, societies, and civilizations. It is based on the critical analysis of evidence such as documents, artifacts, and other records, aiming to reconstruct and understand past realities.

    Properties of History:
    – Empirical Evidence: Historical study relies on empirical evidence, including written records, archaeological findings, and other material artifacts.
    – Methodological Rigor: Historians use critical methods to evaluate sources, verify facts, and construct coherent narratives about the past.
    – Focus on Actual Events: History seeks to document and explain real events and developments, distinguishing between factual occurrences and fictional or mythological accounts.
    – Contextual Analysis: Historical analysis involves understanding events within their broader social, economic, political, and cultural contexts.

    Comparison of Mythicism vs History
    – Basis: Mythicism often interprets narratives as symbolic or fictional, while history focuses on factual, evidence-based accounts of past events.
    – Purpose: Myths typically serve to convey moral, philosophical, or cultural lessons, whereas history aims to provide an accurate and coherent account of what actually happened.
    – Methodology: Mythic interpretation relies on literary and cultural analysis, while historical study employs empirical research, source criticism, and contextual examination.

    Cheers
    CD


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-14 20:09:33 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1790474555003166720

  • I”m English (anglo american) though genetically there is no difference between n

    I”m English (anglo american) though genetically there is no difference between northern France (normandy) and southern England, and little difference between them and Belgium, the Low Countries, and Denmark.

    While raised by a Breton French Catholic mother, and an english protestant father, given the family traditions, I am pretty much a Church of England protestant new England American descendent of puritans and the English middle and upper middle classes.

    I’m also an arrogant elitist snob, but at least I seek to help the little people and save them from the enemy. 😉

    Reply addressees: @finishedyet34


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-14 19:06:41 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1790458730598805504

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  • “The Number of People Keep Increasing” Yes, I agree with this understanding. We

    “The Number of People Keep Increasing”
    Yes, I agree with this understanding. We have moved from a social organization where first family loyalty, then cultural loyalty, then business loyalty, all of which take into account status and social skills, to an era where intellectual skills are finally let loose without the inhibitions of social conformity, status, and divided loyalty to other than the truth.


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-14 18:46:59 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1790453774269526016

  • The Ten Commandments are an Abrahamic Ideology Imitated from a Long Regional His

    The Ten Commandments are an Abrahamic Ideology Imitated from a Long Regional History, and Not an Original Composition

    The Ten Commandments, traditionally found in the Hebrew Bible (Exodus 20:1-17 and Deuteronomy 5:4-21), are a set of moral and ethical principles that have… https://twitter.com/finishedyet34/status/1790433130094231861


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-14 18:13:40 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1790445390229037397

  • However a relatively small sub-population can, and repeatedly has, produced a mo

    However a relatively small sub-population can, and repeatedly has, produced a moral populace, and the evidence is that it only takes a single generation of about 25 years.


    Source date (UTC): 2024-05-14 01:24:49 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1790191506151629259

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