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  • CRITICISM OF HOPPE’S ARGUMENT AGAINST RIGHT TO VALUE Regarding: All property mus

    CRITICISM OF HOPPE’S ARGUMENT AGAINST RIGHT TO VALUE

    Regarding:

    http://kinsella.liberty.me/…/hoppe-on-property-rights-in-p…/

    All property must represent value to its owner or the statement ‘own’ has little sense.

    –“a common mistaken belief is that one has a property right in the value, as opposed to the physical integrity of, one’s property.”–

    Correctly stated:

    Others cannot promise you that the value of any property will remain constant. However, likewise, they *CAN* promise you that they will take no criminal (physical), unethical, immoral or conspiratorial action to damage that value or transfer that value to themselves.

    –“the basis of many fallacious notions of property rights, such as the idea that there is a right to a reputation because it can have value.”–

    This is unclear at best, false under scrutiny. I can, and do value my reputation; and my reputation demonstrably has value to me and to others. But that is not to say that I can control that reputation – it is information. Only that I may act to claim restitution for the use of false statements in the actions of defamation, libel and slander. Just as I cannot claim to control the market price of an asset, but I can act to protect against others damage to it.

    –“According to this understanding of private property,”–

    That statement contains no truth proposition. It posits a straw man as a means of criticism. This is a marxist technique developed in the art of deceptive argument we call “Critique”. The author posits a straw man as a vehicle for criticism of an opposing position rather than defending one’s proposition as incontrovertibly true. (See Rockwell’s most recent book which promises an hypothesis but never delivers, just consists of chapter after chapter of critique.)

    –“property ownership means the exclusive control of a particular person over specific physical objects and spaces.”–

    -and-

    —“property rights invasion means the uninvited physical damage or diminution of things and territories owned by other persons.”–

    There is no evidence of this anywhere in the world. Humans demonstrate universally that they consider the following categories of relations their property: physical and mental, kin, allies and useful relations, and private property, corporeal property, common property, and normative property.

    So to state that any definition of property is other than those demonstrated by man requires that we define some utility – some purpose, for which we select some subset of demonstrated property to be enforced by consent (under law); or even that some subset of demonstrated property is only possible to enforce by consent under law. But we cannot without dishonesty state that the definition of property is other than that which is demonstrated by man to be evidentially categorized as property.

    As for the entire paragraph: –“According to this understanding … …complete ignorance of others’ subjective valuations.”–

    It is difficult to tell if this is a disingenuous argument (politically utilitarian), an incomplete argument, or a mistaken argument. Why?

    Let’s start with what humans demonstrate to be non-parasitic beneficial cooperation: the prevention of imposed costs (what term free-riding) expressed as the requirements for: (a) Productive, (b) Fully informed, (c) Warrantied, (d) Voluntary Exchange free of (e) Negative Externality.

    In various polities, one or more of these attributes can be violated for the purpose of practical expediency. The less conformity to these properties the lower the trust and slower the economic velocity, and the greater conformity the higher the trust and higher economic velocity. And this is in fact what we see.

    Now, why do people tolerate competition on price, when competition on price causes losses? Well, they don’t. In fact, it was very hard to break natural ‘price’ cartels, and in many agrarian cultures the trend persists. Humans naturally seem to tolerate competition on quality but not on price.

    Early market owners understood by practice what we have learned through the study of economics: that competition forces positive incentives to innovate, which rewards all consumers while increasing stress on producers. Just as we have learned that suppression of unethical and immoral activity increases trust.

    So, now lets look at Hoppe’s argument: he talks about the market effects that we cannot control, and that we had to learn are positive consequences of what we may intuit as unethical and immoral.

    But he falsely categorizes ALL activity under the EXCEPTION of competition – which produces beneficial externalities, instead of under the RULE of the prevention of free riding – which we evolved as cooperative organisms to prevent negative actions and externalities. He conflates the minor exception with the major rule.

    So his argument is either dishonest or false: just because we cannot control and do not want to control prices, does not mean that we cannot control and do not want to control criminal, immoral, and unethical actions, particularly those actions which impose costs upon one another.

    Just as we bear a cost by forgoing opportunities for personal gain by engaging in criminal, unethical, immoral and conspiratorial behavior, and in doing so we construct property rights, we bear the cost of forgoing opportunities for prosecution of competition on prices in order to create the normative incentive, and the consumer economy.

    As such, price competition is the exception to moral intuition, not the rule from which moral intuition can be deduced. **Period.**

    Furthermore, since prices are the exception to the prohibition on parasitism necessary for the rational formation of cooperation and the abandonment of violence in exchange for the benefits of trade, then all other non-price, non-production assets retain their prohibition on criminal, ethical, moral, and conspiratorial actions that cause the involuntary imposition of costs; and therefore the use of violence for the purpose of punishment and restoration is categorically ethical, moral, and rational. Because cooperation is not logical or in one’s interest, and violence is useful and necessary preference in order to prevent parasitism.

    The virtue of suppression of criminal, unethical, immoral, and conspiratorial imposition of costs other than those conducted under the constraints of productive, fully informed, warrantied, voluntary, exchange, is that individuals are forced exclusively into productive activity rather than parasitism. Whether that parasitism be physical, deceptive, indirect, or conspiratorial.

    By contrast, Rothbardian ethics, argue for the expressed legalization of unethical, immoral, conspiratorial parasitism, because such moral rules, embodied in law, by logical necessity, legalize and prohibit retaliation for unproductive, unethical, immoral, conspiratorial, actions.

    Quod erat demonstrandum.

    Curt Doolittle

    The Propertarian Institute

    Kiev Ukraine

    December 2014


    Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 10:27:00 UTC

  • (1) Almost every single rationalist argument Hoppe makes is false. (2) Almost ev

    (1) Almost every single rationalist argument Hoppe makes is false.

    (2) Almost every analysis of incentives Hoppe makes is true.

    The Economics and ethics of private property is disposable nonsense. Democracy the god that failed is mostly tolerable.

    His most recent essay (short book/long essay) abandons rationalism entirely, which is why its worth reading.

    I am unafraid of debate with skilled opponents. I’ll win. Just how it is.

    Science wins.

    Every time.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 10:23:00 UTC

  • YOU SEE, WE NEVER “KNOW” ANYTHING. WE JUST TRY. This is why the rationalist argu

    YOU SEE, WE NEVER “KNOW” ANYTHING. WE JUST TRY.

    This is why the rationalist argument is a straw man. Critical Rationalism won. In propertarianism I focus on truthful speech as an IMPROVEMENT on critical rationalism’s narrow focus in the absence of ethical and moral constraints (imposed costs, such as creating a hazard). So operationalism is an existential test – a further criticism, on top of falsification, that is necessary when we speak of matters that may impose costs upon one another.

    I can never know that I speak the ultimate truth, but I can know if I speak truthfully (morally). I can warranty truthful speech but I cannot warrant a statement is true.

    And in publishing information into the commons I am distributing a product which may do harm or good. And I can be held accountable for unwarrantable speech, or unwarranted speech, but if I have warrantied my speech I cannot be held accountable in law for the negative consequences of it.

    Conversely, if I did, then I CAN be held accountable for it.

    So it is by these means I have tried to:

    ….(a) Extend critical rationalism by adding the additional requirement of operational description – something scientists already do but outside of psychology do not recognize as necessary criticism, and something that is necessary for all political questions, since only political questions require by definition transfers.

    ….(b) Redefine the scientific method as the method of speaking truthfully (warrantably).

    ….(c) Incorporate the principle of the voluntary exchange of property as the only test of moral action.

    UNIVERSAL STANDING

    Under universal standing each of us can protect his or her commons from lies, cheats, socialization of losses, privatization of gains, and even the use and abuse of others – we an all act as sheriffs. We cannot resort to political favoritism.

    The only problem is in creating judges. And we seem to be far better at creating judges than economists and philosophers.

    Curt Doolittle

    The Propertarian Institute

    Kiev, Ukraine


    Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 10:18:00 UTC

  • OVERSING Market sort of looks like this now: Email->Facebook->Yammer->Facebook@w

    OVERSING

    Market sort of looks like this now:

    Email->Facebook->Yammer->Facebook@work->

    ………………………………………->Asana->Mavenlink->

    …………………………………………………………………….->Oversing

    We will have the top of the market, but then, as in anything, that’s probably not area of peak demand. Which is fine with me. I’d rather be at the top of the market with customers at the top of the market. 🙂


    Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 07:46:00 UTC

  • Untitled

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/may/18/anti-intellectualism-us-book-banning?CMP=share_btn_fb


    Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 07:07:00 UTC

  • HAYEK AND HOPPE – INSUFFICIENT Hayek is right that a condition of liberty can on

    HAYEK AND HOPPE – INSUFFICIENT

    Hayek is right that a condition of liberty can only be constructed by organically evolutionary (common) law of property. Hoppe is right that institutions can replace monopoly bureaucracy.

    However, Hayek has no solution to making such a condition universally preferable; and Hoppe has no solution to the provision of the commons, nor for constructing a condition of liberty. Neither address the influence of the family or the intergenerational means of reproductive production or the entry of women’s socialistic biases into the sphere of politics – and neither addresses the problem of the conflict between the reproductive interests of the classes. Neither solves the problem of a heterogeneous post-agrarian, and possibly post familial, institutional system. Yet that is the set of conditions that we find ourselves in.

    I think I have persuasively argued that over the long term (anyone can benefit from implementing technology that was invented by others in the sort term), high velocity economies are only possible under liberty, and that liberty is only possible under high trust, and that only law under universal standing can construct high trust and liberty, and that those most interested in maintaining this structure are those in the lower middle class and upper proletariat, who are willing to fight to un-constrain their superiors, so that they can gain the privileges of the group with the best leaders. This is why the working classes are conservatively biased – they will fall in status and material possession without the advantages given them by support – the enablement – of their elites.

    So we can look at the successes of philosophers but also look at their failures. Hoppe tries to both preserve cosmopolitan separatism and reconstruct the hanseatic league. But this is not possible without the use of violence, exclusion, and the taking of territory sufficiently advantageous to produce the incentives to join such a polity, nor the economic advantage necessary to see it persist.

    Hoppe’s solution of starting a clean polity isn’t a solution at all. It’s the equivalent of communism for libertines.

    Territory is obtained, held, informal institutions constructed, formal institutions implemented, and monuments built, by the use of violence to do so by those desirous of obtaining advantage for themselves and their people.

    Peace, is not an intrinsic good. The intrinsic good is the perpetuation of your family, tribe, and people in competition with other families tribes and peoples.

    Everything else is just a better way of getting there.

    And the alternative is conquest and suicide. Both of which we are victims of.

    Curt Doolittle

    The Propertarian Institute

    Kiev, Ukraine


    Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 06:41:00 UTC

  • WHY ARE CONSERVATIVES MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIBERTINES? Because given moral justif

    WHY ARE CONSERVATIVES MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIBERTINES?

    Because given moral justification to correct violations of purity and sanctity a sufficient number of conservatives will use violence to restore order. Only conservatives act for social good alone. Libertines and progressives act only in their self interest. Why? Because libertinism is purely a status seeking effort, and progressivism is both status seeking and dysgenic.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 04:06:00 UTC

  • WHY ARE LIBERTARIANS POLITICALLY IRRELEVANT? Because political systems are const

    WHY ARE LIBERTARIANS POLITICALLY IRRELEVANT?

    Because political systems are constructed by violence. And conservatives are willing to create an order that suppresses consumption in order to construct commons, and progressives are willing to use violence to destruct an order so that they can increase consumption. But libertarians are both small in number and unwilling to use violence.

    Violence raises the costs of non-cooperative action, so that cooperation is preferable to non-cooperative action.

    Libertines always look for discounts (freebies). There aren’t any. Order is expensive.

    For these reasons libertarians will only exist in absurdly wealthy periods of history, made possible by conservatives. Otherwise they will exist only as another rejection-cult, criticizing the fact that they are required to pay costs for norms that do not improve their status – but constrain it.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 04:03:00 UTC

  • WHY DO LIBERTARIANS ALWAYS LOSE? Libertinism. Meaning incorrect attribution of l

    WHY DO LIBERTARIANS ALWAYS LOSE?

    Libertinism. Meaning incorrect attribution of legal, economic, political and military value to costs of high-cost, high-trust norms. Conservatives do not make this mistake – if anything they over-value norms. Libertines discount norms. Progressives never even consider them or find prohibition on their consumption antithetical.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-12-21 03:59:00 UTC

  • Film critics function largely within the Cathedral ideology. But lets talk a bit

    Film critics function largely within the Cathedral ideology.

    But lets talk a bit about the future of film.

    The medium is no longer a vehicle for storytelling, but subconscious association; and I think the medium has evolved into something separate from storytelling (the narrative).

    Human minds place greater scrutiny on ordered language than disordered imagery, and disordered imagery produces pre-cognitive associations, often appealing to pre-cognitive reactions. To some degree the narrative appeals more heavily to reason than to the intuition, while film can quite easily, like dreams, appeal more heavily to the intuition, and far less, to reason.

    It is no longer important to construct a narrative if a dream will do. Films certainly appear to be evolving rapidly toward dreams.

    I think this is the correct analysis of the evolution of the medium. The narrative or ‘puzzle’ maintains your attention while the medium communicates to your intuition.

    This is only possible with a medium other than language. Although it is possible to use suggestion via language (I use this very heavily). One can offer positive suggestions and negative suggestions.

    I think the high art of film will emerge as dream-creation because it does not require effort. And that the narrative, which is harder, and requires effort will remain the domain of storytelling.


    Source date (UTC): 2014-12-20 04:25:00 UTC