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Source date (UTC): 2017-01-11 10:36:00 UTC
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Source date (UTC): 2017-01-11 10:36:00 UTC
THE INFORMATIONAL COMMONS
(thinking)
One of the issues I wrestle with is the point of demarcation. It’s clear that:
(a) political speech (in any forum), is different from
(b) commercial public speech (via media), from
(c) public speech (via media), from
(d) interpersonal speech (people you don’t know), from
(e) private speech (people you know), from
(f) home speech (family members), from
(g) mental ‘speech’ (the self).
And it’s clear that human beings need:
(a) to vent frustrations
(b) to test ideas
(c) to seek allies in cooperation.
And it’s clear that there is a difference between the form of communication:
(a) A question: ‘What’s wrong with (insert immoral concept here)?” (or confirming it)
(b) A criticism: ‘I wish we could (insert immoral concept here)?” (or confirming it)
(c) An assertion: ‘it’s moral/right/good if we (insert immoral concept here)?” (or confirming it)
(d) An act of conspiracy: “Who will, or will you (insert immoral concept here)?” (or confirming it)
(e) An act of treason: “I propose(submit) that we legislate (insert immoral concept here)!” (or confirming it)
But what is the point of demarcation in the audience?
(a) It’s reasonably clear that home and mental speech are not in a commons.
(b) It’s arguable that private speech is not in a commons.
(c) It’s arguable that interpersonal speech is not in a commons.
(d) it’s inarguable that public speech is not in a commons.
And what is the point of demarcation in the form of communication?
(a) It’s reasonably clear that a question and a criticism are not in advocacy (creating a hazard/damaging the commons).
(b) it’s reasonably clear that assertions, conspiracy and treason are in fact advocacy (creating a hazard/damaging the commons)
And it’s also pretty clear when someone is trying to circumvent those two tests of demarcation by “art and artifice”.
It would seem PRUDENT to consider:
(a) use of the government (any use of institutions)
as treason.
(b) use of the media (any form of publication)
(c) commercial use (any form of for profit activity)
as felonies, and
(d) interpersonal human error, passions, etc
as misdemeanors.
We can easily test for due diligence (although this would take me a while)
(a) definitions
(b) whereas (initial state)
(c) positiva (assertion, claim, desire)
(d) negativa (survival from testimonial criticism)
…..categorical
…..logical
…..empirical
…..operational (existential)
…..moral (reciprocal)
…..scope (full accounting, limits, parsimony)
(e) therefore (remedy)
(f) yields (subsequent state) morally.
The practice of law does this already but lacks the One Law of Reciprocity (Cooperation) that preserves Sovereignty, that we call Natural Law. And current law fails to require positiva (complete arguments rather than simple prohibitions).
And just as in law and every other discipline, conventions readily develop that we use as shorthand for the longer form.
Very few of us know the law. We know only that we must not impose costs upon others without government (legislative) license to do so. And we have no current means of appeal against legilsative license – although the great lie that the ballot box can alter these conditions persists it’s empirically nonsensical. We vote by sentiment. Representation forces us to.
Natural Law is Simple Law.
So, the more difficult challenge is restructuring government into an insurer of last resort ONLY, eliminating all legislation, and allowing only contracts to be constructed either by direct action or representative assemblies.
So as far as I know this is a sufficient test of the circumstantial limitations on damaging the commons.
Source date (UTC): 2017-01-11 10:21:00 UTC
Philip Saunders hits a homer.
—“Okay, I think I have a clearer idea of what you’re saying. High trust, truth based polities will accelerate past polities which don’t uphold these standards. The law itself is boiled down to the point that most people can understand it, be held responsible for it, and enforce it. We also extend common law bans on commercial fraud to interpersonal fraud. So if you impose costs informationally, then you are culpable. is that Close?”—Philip Saunders
More than close. Better said than I could say it. 🙂 Awesome.
Source date (UTC): 2017-01-11 09:50:00 UTC
(wish I could come and visit. have to make that happen some day. 🙂 )
Source date (UTC): 2017-01-11 09:47:00 UTC
One of the most interesting transformations I’ve seen in Adam. Someone who has experience and devoted himself to multiple systems of thought. And who advocates a very egalitarian world. Yet his emerging work is an elegant synthesis of scientific language and philosophy.
Skye is also interesting because he can empathize with a host of philosophical frameworks the way most of us can empathize with different genres of literature. Although, I am still stuck with that negativa other than subjective intuition that philosophical aesthetes rely upon.
Bierling consistently astounds me, and he seems to seek to strike the balance between mores and truth, and can conduct most arguments easily despite rather recent work. he has a public persona that’s genuine, insightful, and frankly, marketable. I feel very emotionally close to him because I have very similar moral sentiments.
Josh Jeppeson is intersesting because he already bridged science and the aesthetic occult in his own life (which seems to be a common combination that I run across), and he, like many nietzcheans, feels the occult, and judges scientifically, and there is something fascinating in that positiva/negativa combination. I have learned a great deal from his criticism and some of my more recent insights are the result of trying to answer him.
Berens is interesting in that he is so frighteningly good at constructing propertarian arguments that i am often humbled – he gives me something to aspire to. This is a very talented guy and I haven’t seen any of his development so I can’t comment on his transition.
Ziavalov is much closer to my perspective, in that he is pretty rigidly scientific (something the russians have been excellent at developing at scale). I notice that our differences derive from my america distaste for conflict, and while I know nothing about him, his name suggests russian origin or influence. And he has that attitude toward conflict: ‘it is what it is, grow up’.
I’ve long considered Eli and I partners even though we really just riff off each other. Eli takes a more ‘working class man’s view’ of things which i am sure he considers a compliment. But if you are an average person and want to learn Propertariaism (to which he is a major contributor), the price is time with Eli, and a few beers.
I consider Butch a partner as well, and an advisor and he is better at explaining my position on many subjects than I am – those that relate to libertarian positions especially.
I see Bill rapidly fulfilling this role as well, but against more philosophical and argumentative positions. Where James Berens would (like me) stomp on you, Bill tries to educate you.
We have a lot of advocates … some of whom are dear friends to me, but who aren’t terribly interested in the formal work. That said that list is too long to include here.
Curt Doolittle
Bill Joslin
Steve Pender
Ulysses Aaron Cartwright
Ivan Ilakovac
Moritz Bierling
Con Eli Khan
Josh Jeppson
Austyn Pember
Lycurgus Lawgiver
Nicholas Arthur Catton
Arkan Nathanael
Carlos Clark
Ely Harman
Joel Davis
William Butchman
James Augustus Berens
Source date (UTC): 2017-01-11 09:38:00 UTC
One of the criticisms of fiat currency and manipulation of the money supply, is that it damages the ability to form aristocratic families by means of saving, and drives all great families out of saving and production into financialization.
——- via Nick Zito ———
Dan Kanivas, admirer of the millionaire next door
Written Nov 10, 2015
A recent article written by advisors to wealthy families discusses some of the common ways that family wealth is destroyed over multiple generations, as well as techniques to help prevent the destruction of family wealth over time:
Wealth management usually comes in two parts: financial planning to increase and manage your wealth, and estate planning to protect and pass the wealth along to heirs with as few taxes as possible. Unfortunately, 70% of family wealth is destroyed by the second generation, and family unity is destroyed right along with the wealth. After three generations, the loss of wealth exceeds 90%.
Some families, however, thwart lost fortunes and family dysfunction by adding a third component to their wealth management strategy: They prepare their heirs to receive an intellectual inheritance as well as a financial inheritance. When heirs are brought into a family’s stories, traditions, and values, they can better relate to their past and become better stewards of the family’s capital.
The “shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations” saying is so true that nearly every culture on the planet has some version of it, including a 2,000-year-old Chinese proverb. It says the first generation works hard to create a fortune; the second generation enjoys the spoils of that fortune, substituting entertainment for hard work; and the third generation, with no role model to follow, squanders what remains of the fortune. Their children have to start all over again.
What is to blame for the destruction of wealth, and why do so many families experience it? The culprit is not poor investment strategy, nor should people be quick to blame economic downturns or bad markets.
Roy Williams and Vic Preisser, authors of Preparing Heirs: Five Steps to a Successful Transition of Family Wealth and Values, collected data from 3,250 families who had lost their wealth. Less than 3% said poor planning and investments caused their reversal of fortune. Instead, 25% said heirs were unprepared, and 60% fingered lack of communication and trust in the family.
The consequences of neglecting intellectual legacy can be seen in the families who ignored it, such as William Henry Vanderbilt’s heirs. Their fortunes could be worth over $300 billion in today’s dollars. However, by 1973, in just two generations, not a single heir was even a millionaire.
Source date (UTC): 2017-01-11 09:08:00 UTC
NATURAL LAW AND THE INFORMATIONAL COMMONS
(Curt with Summary by Bill Joslin)
In the end, any moral commons is possible, while no immoral commons is possible. This allows for competing moral commons but denies competition from immoral commons.
I have found no reason why police have discretion to suggest prosecution except where there is evidence of conspiracy to prevent prosecution.
I have found no reason why police have discretion to suggest prosecution of crimes against the informational commons when all citizens are interested parties and can prosecute violations of the informational commons – or prosecute attempts to prevent truth from entering the informational commons.
Islam would not survive, some of the ‘pseudo-arts’ would not survive, just as pseudo-rationalism, and pseudo-science would not survive.
Conversely can you imagine the INDIRECT education this would provide to people in the same way that scientific reasoning has indirectly produced the Flynn effect (along with reducing the number of the low end outliers)?
Imagine a world where disinformation and deception are readily eliminated from the public discourse. How would that effect private discourse?
one does not need a positiva program. we need only a negativa program. every person on earth will then work to produce a host of positiva programs.
Most of philosophical history, as most of religious history, has been attempting to develop positivia programs. And they all result in stagnation.
Meanwhile the west incrementally evolves the common law and we invent philosophies and ideologies and narratives in each generation.
By a monopoly negativa of the Natural, empirical, judge discovered, common law, we create the possibility of a market in everything – including information.
But just as we have deprived people of murder, then harm, then theft, then fraud, then conspiracy, we can deprive people of disinformation and suggestion – an extension of interpersonal fraud by the use of media.
—“^^ okay. So now… if the rights and privileges afford police (to arrest and detain) and judges (to decide resolution) is extended to the whole populace (and incomplete terms but will leave for the moment) then anyone can enforce the law – the larger the market the less likely the market can be used for abuse. Every man and judge, every man an enforcer, every man a gaurd. One natural law makes this possible as the burden to fully understand it does not have tlnearly the same costs as a law degree today”—Bill Joslin
Source date (UTC): 2017-01-11 09:03:00 UTC
WHY REJECT AN OFFER OF DEBATE WITH A THEIST?
—“You rejected his invitation to debate him on his podcast”—
—“Yeah, what gives?”—
—“please explain”—
We can make excuses for justifying our desires by pursuit of, discovery of, choice of, and advocacy of, faith, or its equivalent in the supernatural, or the platonic, or the pseudorational, or the pseudoscientific. And we make those excuses in many ways.
There are any number of people who I debate on a regular basis who acknowledge that they merely choose that article of faith in all its forms. I choose my faith in my god, and I choose to ‘believe it’ despite knowing with near certainty my self delusion, and the psychological device god functions to fulfill. But I never use this faith in interpersonal ARGUMENT (truth) I only use this faith in personal CHOICE (preference).
There are those people who are unable to choose not to rely on either faith by choice, or introspection regardless of choice, because of biological (genetic constraints) – the most obvious being women’s various collectivist cognitive biases.
There are those people who deny that a choice is possible, because they cannot conceive of decidability by other means.
There are those people that engage in justification for that choice or their inability to choose otherwise, and do so by moral means.
There are those people who engage in self and other deceit to defend that choice or their inability to choose otherwise, and do so by moral means.
There are those who advocate self and other deceit to defend that choice or their inability to choose otherwise, and do so by immoral means.
Jay makes use of:
0-supernaturalism,
1-platonism,
2-pseudorationalism,
but worst of all, he makes use of:
3-cosmopolitan pseudoscience in the form of psychologizing,
4-cosmopolitan propagandizing, in the form of ridicule, shaming, and rallying.
5-the ad hom attack to obtain attention.
and furthermore
6-he preys upon those lacking the ability, knowledge, and experience to circumvent his deceits.
7-he has highly (over) invested in the creation of a persona in order to obtain attention, and like all ‘priests’ attempts to capture enough of that attention to create an environment in which he can experience his deceptions as if they are natural rather than fictional phenomenon.
Any debate depends upon the presumption that the other party can (a) understand your arguments if you can construct them well enough (b) participate honestly, (c) constrain one’s self to that which is categorical, reasonable, rational, and empirical – testable by the other party.
I have no confidence that jay can (a) understand that he errs, nor can he understand testimonialism, (b) can conduct a debate honestly, (c) can constrain himself to the testable, and (d) refrain from his adopted cosmopolitan (marxist) techniques of ridicule, rallying, shaming, pseudoscience (psychologizing), and therefore (e) debate whether testimonialism is testifiable vs whether his ‘metaphysical dependencies’ are testifiable.
Testimonialism and Propertarianism are not something I ask people to believe. It is a logical, operational, methodology for testable speech that empowers people to demonstrate whether they and others understand their arguments, and to construct alternative explanations from those arguments put forward, by means of strict construction. Propertarian statements are subjectively testable, they do not require ‘belief’ (faith).
So, I see no value in the pretense of debate, since NO ACT OF DEBATE IS POSSIBLE between logical and nonsensical propositions.
And honestly, as long as he and his followers do not trouble me too much, I don’t really have any interest other than the odd curiosity that there is a market for nonsense of all kinds.
So that’s you’re answer. “It would be a waste of time.”
–“It would not”–Tristann J. DM
Then you would need to explain to me why not.
Source date (UTC): 2017-01-10 18:55:00 UTC
Why? Because I’m available to newbies, I have a lot of patience with people, even if they’re hostile, as long as they’re genuine. Because I welcome, we welcome, those who are interested in sharing the work. Because we are attracting a certain kind of person (character) with a certain kind of mind (skeptical), with a certain degree of intellectual ability.
And in no small part because I (we) are not asking people to believe in the value of some proposition so much as teaching the practice of a logical method that demonstrably improves your ability to reason, judge, and argue. WE’re developing and teaching a logic – a skill, that will dramatically change your world view by USING it.
It is very hard to defeat propertarian (testimonial) arguments. It is hard to learn, yes. But once you do, you will be devastating in debate. Which is exactly what we are trying to accomplish as our first stage.
There is enormous POWER in sovereignty, propertarianism and testimonialism, market government, and the group evolutionary strategy of truth, high trust, and innovative velocity.
There is enormous POWER in making use of them. The propertarian revolution is equal in power over correlative empiricism as correlative empiricism was over philosophical rationalism, and philosophical rationalism was over theological rationalism.
We can complete the scientific enlightenment. A few of us.
And take credit for it for all of history.
And save our civilization one argument, one topic, one uprising, one revolution, at a time.
Source date (UTC): 2017-01-10 13:59:00 UTC
wow. no one ever called us marxists before. lol Fascists, yes. Marxists no.
1) you will find that the OP is historically correct.
you are projecting your ideology into an historical statement.
while the law recognizes property, it also recognizes commons.
the expansion of private property as a right rather than as a privilege (Freemen vs Slaves) evolved as the OP suggests.
2) Pure jewish bullshit: that society self organizes into peaceful cooperation. When society self organizes into peaceful cooperation in an equilibrium with aggression in all forms: criminal, unethical, and immoral. And that the common law and religion both evolved for the single purpose of suppressing retaliation cycles by providing the neutrality of a third party insurer that proxied enforcement, as populations increased, and familial and tribal differences needed to be neutralized.
3) –“I wouldn’t require a large group”–
(a) you are irrelevant. Given that the high trust society is unique to west, and particularly to the north west (because of heavy crime enforcement, manorialism, earlier selection pressures), the evidence is that large enough groups cannot form reliably enough to suppress criminal, unethical, and immoral behavior. In fact it appears that the participation of nearly the entire community is required. but without both law and specialized enforcement, no condition of subsidy, freedom, or liberty can be constructed (logically and empirically). (b)You cannot reliably self-report such a thing. If you hold the positions you do it’s implied you would be lest trustworthy in matters of risk, and more likely to free ride upon commons (which is really what you’re advocating, because that is what jewish libertinism advocates: separatism as a means of free riding upon the commons.)
4) —“sovereign group”—
This is a grammatical error you are nitpicking. But yes, a group of soverigns is possible while a sovereign group is logically impossible. However, this grammatical error aside the rest of the argument stands. A group of sovereigns in the west were responsible for the formation of polities that led to high trust polities.
5) –“hierarchies”–
Only a liar or a fool conflates the demonstrably universally existential hierarchy of classes and the individuals within classes with the rule of law (equality under the law). In all aspects of life: genetic, associative, reproductive (mating), productive (business), social, and political, these hierarchies are demonstrated without exception – and there is precious little rotation in and out of underclass, working class, and middle class, with most of the upper classes rotating in and out of the middle class as exceptions. Those families that maintain aristocracy over many generations do so through reproductive selection as a means of preservation of assets.
6) —“These are actions and not necessarily designated groups.”—
Now you are just moving from grammatical nits to outright lies. Coups are possible by police and military, and resistance to revolution and coup is not possible without the assistance of police and military. Ergo, police and military rule. They, and we, profit most from the promise of rapid and thorough action, without having to ever act.
7) —“violence”—
Violence in and of itself is a neutral asset. That asset can be put to moral or immoral ends. Just as wealth is a neutral asset. It can be put to moral or immoral ends. Just as knowledge is a neutral asset, it can be put to moral or immoral ends. For example, if we are successful in defending the informational commons just as we have been successful in the suppression of murder, harm, theft, fraud, and conspiracy, then we would greatly reduce the number of (stupid, immoral) bad ideas that are commonly propagated – like marxist socialism, straussian neoconservatism, and rothbardian libertinism.
The rest of your responses above is just more dishonesty. Which is what we expect from dishonest people. We know now that some groups are predisposed to lying the same way that women are predisposed to lying ‘in their way’, and for the same reason: they have, through group selection, inverted the reproductive strategies of the genders.
Cheers
Source date (UTC): 2017-01-10 08:10:00 UTC