( Is the purpose of this group to give voice to left wing memes as a half hearted attempt to counter right wing memes? I mean. I don’t allow them on my page. If you can’t make a rational argument, then you’re not holding a discussion. )
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-05 21:02:00 UTC
FYI: In my lexicon impulsivity is the opposite of agency. It is as psychotic is to autistic. Solipsistic to Aspie.
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-05 20:15:00 UTC
alcohol as celebration is one thing. as assistance in detatchment from work achieved another. as medication for chronic suffering is another. and as the chinese discovered, escapism into recreational use is suicidal.
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-05 17:48:00 UTC
THE NEXT CHURCH
—“The universe was, is, and will always be beyond human scale. Religions are an evolved response to this complexity. They work. I don’t see how we can figure out what to do without a positive value system, even if it might fail the Darwinian test. I don’t know. All this is too much for my tiny brain. The problem is too big and complex.”— A Friend
Its actually simple. And just as we need multiple languages to talk to multiple layers of ability (classes), and just as we need multiple states to serve the interests of multiple layers of tribes; and just as we need multiple sciences to break the world into parts that we can disassemble; and just as we need multiple economies (military (slave), commons (serf), union(unskilled labor), market (producers), and finance (gamblers), we need multiple NARRATIVES just as we always have: the religious for the weak, the philosophical for the able, and the heroic for the superior.
Those narratives already exist. The problem is thinking You’re everyone (democracy and equality) rather than the member of a class.
The universe may beyond human scale, but the scope of action available to humans of different ability varies dramatically from those who can barely care for themselves, to those that can care for others, to those that can manage others, to those that can organize others, to those that can organize many, to those that can advocate for as many as they can serve.
Choose the tool that serves the scale that is possible for you.
What I hear is from most people is “i want to be led”, or “I want to control”. Rather than I want to do. I want to know what to do. I am willing to do the good. But I must know what it is?
it is the good that you can understand and not bad.
And between the greek and roman heroes, the scientists, the arthurian legends, and the stories of the church servants, it is hard to imagine yu cannot find it there.
What I think you mean, and what I think most people mean, is that they lack an institution that assists us in organizing under those principles – those narratives.
Which is why I think the next iteration of the church talks to each class, not to the peasantry.
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-05 17:44:00 UTC
What 22 year old highly-educated-yet-idiot developed, managed, and designed Google Hangouts? I mean. What century were you born in? And how can you possibly release a user interface that sucks that bad? I mean, did you work at Microsoft for a while or something? They’re even worse than google. And you know, that’s saying something about both. #googlecantdoanythingrightbutyellowpages
#googlehangouts
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-05 15:45:00 UTC
(pot use)
I understand that pot causes developmental disorders. I also understand that it makes developmental disorders, developmental defects, and genetic defects much more tolerable in a modernity where we lack kinship relations, opportunity for hostile negotiations, and practice in hunting and war.
Medicinally – for the purpose of behavioral treatment – I don’t really have a problem with it.
Recreationally – as a means of taking a ‘mental vacation’ for an evening I don’t have a problem with it, or wine, or beer, or hard liquor.
In celebrations and festivals I don’t either.
People who evangelize it are just evidencing additive behaviors (obsessions).
People who enter the commons and the market under the influence of it are just another form of parasite imposing a cost on me and others.
So, I have a problem with anyone using it in the market (commons), and personally I’d like to beat the shit out of anyone who speaks to me under the influence in the market.
And I don’t like the commercialization of its marketing and sale, and I think this was a mistake. And the evidence in those areas that have legalized it proves it.
But I there are entire classes of people whose families evolved under the influence of alcohol out of both behavioral and caloric necessity. And these people are better off with pot than alcohol, and they certainly don’t need the calories like we did in the past.
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-05 15:39:00 UTC
—“There is no ‘inner’ animal, we are animals, vice is simply stubbornness and it comes in every variety, mischief is what throws it for a loop. Daydreams, like drugs prove there’s spirit and sociality outside the claimed territories of presumed reality.”—Brian Barr
It’s not stubbornness actually. Evidence is evidence, that people have various levels of impulsivity on the one hand and frustration budgets (tolerance) on the other. And that agency is reducible in no small part to the ‘autism’ or ‘disconnected-ness’ we obtain from those impulses on one hand and the intelligence to make use of it on the other.
You can train an impulsive animal – but it’s time consuming and expensive. You can train a stupid animal less so, but it’s more time consuming and expensive. Or you can train non-impulsive animal, and a not-stupid animal and it’s far less time consuming and expensive. moreover the failure rate is much lower, and the consequences of failure much lower.
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-05 15:30:00 UTC
THE VIRTUE OF NATURAL LAW – AND ITS COSTS
(important)
What is my favorite feature of natural law?
I can tell you what is false. I can tell you what is insufficient make a truth claim. I can tell you what is the most true of the propositions available. But I cannot tell you what is good. Anything that is not false, not insufficient, and the most true proposition available is a candidate good. The determination of a preference is something up to the individual, or the group, or the polity, or the nation, or the civilization to decide by some method of decidability or other. But the determination of a good is ascertained by the measurements of the prior and consequential states of capital, and the transactions that constitute the change in state. If more capital-in-toto exists, then objectively one achieved a good. If less, one did not. And while the measurement of such changes in capital is somewhat challenging, it is not, by any means, impossible – just undesirable by those who do not seek good in truth, but preference regardless of it.
Because for the stoic and the ascetic, a condition of freedom to work as I desire, within a condition of liberty for others to organize work, within a condition of sovereignty for others to rule, such that the rest may organize, and labor, is all I desire. I wish the fruits of sovereignty, liberty, and freedom made possible by natural law. I do not wish to act parasitically upon others. As such I understand that I must regulate my consumption to that which I can obtain without imposition of costs upon others.
I prefer the fine arts, fine architecture, fine antiques, exotic cars, good company, beautiful women, money and especially power. But I do not prefer them at the expense of contemplation and production of ideas for which I earn trivial if any compensation. I leave that for others with other preferences.
the difference is, that I have proven myself capable of any of those achievements. Having done so, I find them hollow compared to coffee shops, writing, and thinking.
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-05 15:15:00 UTC
The Impulsive, The Trouble-Makers, and Daydreamers are drug users in training. They cannot discipline the inner animal without chemical assistance. Hence the dominance of alcohol in the lower classes.
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-05 15:12:00 UTC
RELIGION AND MEASUREMENTS
(important)
( William Butchman writes an OP reconciling supernatural fictionalism, with propertarianism via decidability. It inspired me to write this piece extending one of his paragraphs to explain that religion provided a means of measurement and decidability. )
When we moved from religion (the immeasurable world – but a world whose ‘measurements’ if we may call ‘wisdom’ that, consisted of the results of trial, error, and observation – a simple science, but a science none the less) to quantitative science: the measurable world, we rightly increased the precision of the measurable world and evicted religion from our discipline of measurement. Unfortunately we evicted religion from the unmeasurable world (cooperation at scale), and replaced it with pseudosciences (aggregates). So instead of instructing men to act morally based upon experience, such that each action would cumulatively produce a measurable good, we measured goods and told me they need not act morally if we produced this abstract measurement of good. It never seems to have occurred to anyone that all this did was increase the number of not-good actions by people. And falsely attribute to the new measurements what was nothing but the product of fiat money (removing the shortage of hard currency) and fossil fuels (removing the cost of physical labor).
Religion provides decidability in that which can only be measured by individual moral action that results in cumulative goods. Religions, like the common law, evolved incrementally in response to what we had learned. So each religion contains some error as well as some truth. What we call the physical sciences, provide decidability by aggregate changes in sttate even though we do not KNOW the equivalent of moral action in the universe – the first principles of the transformation of energy at small and large scales.)
The Natural Law (as I understand it) merely states the measurement of individual ‘good’ action, the way mathematic states the measurement of addition and subtraction of the natural numbers. It is very simple. Addition: do undo others only that which you would have done unto you. Subtraction: do nothing unto others that you would not have done unto you. Through simple addition and subtraction all of the descriptions of the physical world can be written in an increasingly complex set of combinations. And likewise, through simple positive moral actions, and negative moral constraints, we can build all of natural law. And then we can use natural law to examine all religions, and to determine if they are, like the physical universe, written in gods laws, of the physical world(Existence), the world of Action(Property), and the world of Speech(Testimony).
However, the golden and silver rule are reductio in meaning. They assume the christian or aryan edifice provides context. And while Christianity was always balanced by Martial Aryianism in a competition, The Hindu lost that competition, and the Sinic (Chinese), Semitic (Jewish/Muslim), never possessed it. So what one assumes is good good for himself and others by his actions, may answer the question of what is good for himself and others at city-state scale, but fails at national, empire, and global scales.
For the simple reason that each civilization, and each group within it, uses a slight variation on those rules in order to perpetuate the group’s strategies in the realities in which it exists.
Source date (UTC): 2017-04-05 13:50:00 UTC