Source date (UTC): 2017-11-13 08:05:00 UTC
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Source date (UTC): 2017-11-12 23:05:00 UTC
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NATIONALISM by Daniel Gurpide 1. I think that ‘nationalism’ has to be clarified
NATIONALISM
by Daniel Gurpide
1. I think that ‘nationalism’ has to be clarified and put into historical perspective so as to become a really empowering technology.
(CD: ok)
2. My priors so that you understand where I come from: I have relatives in Spain, France, Norway and the UK; I studied in Madrid, Paris, Cambridge, and Dresden; I lived in Tanzania, Bolivia, New York, Switzerland, and Germany. I consider myself a ‘good European’.
(CD: ok)
3. Nationalism only has meaning for me if understood as a doctrine capable of expressing in political terms the philosophy and vital needs of European man in 2017 (I am thinking not in geographical, but in anthropological terms—the white man—and including both the peoples of the continental homeland as well as ‘Europe overseas.’ Their plight is common and, even if they are unaware of it, they are experiencing a similar fate—they all suffer from the same disease).
(CD: agreed)
4. European nations are condemned either to exit from history and be melted down into a shapeless and faceless global mass, or to turn into the substance of a future nation and people.
(CD: agreed)
5. It is convenient to distinguish between two different ways of posing the ‘national question.’ One, developed in France, sees a nation essentially as a construction operated by a state, and bound ab initio to a restricted horizon, a closure: historically, the closure and separation from Empire. This attitude cannot but immediately give rise to the problem of fixing national borders: in this case first for the natio francorum without; then, for the political and cultural identities within those borders, on which ‘reduction’ is operated. This policy of self-exclusion without (from the Imperium), and homologation and repression of internal identities and differences within, was pursued by French absolutism—and to its ultimate consequences with the French Revolution. Subsequently it was emulated by all the democratic revolutions in Europe, to the point when all nationalisms based on ‘the masses’ and exclusion of ‘the other’ arrived, necessarily, at contemporary one world universalism.
(CD: agreed)
Contrary to appearances, the one world ideology—which today impregnates the dominant culture and the political praxis of international institutions—is only superficially in contradiction to the presuppositions of the form of nationalism described above. Withdrawal into oneself implies, intrinsically, recognition, sooner or later, of equality among nations. The dream of political universalism is but the reproposal, on a global scale, of the very process that led to the formation of the nation-state.
(CD: agreed)
6. Where the memory of the Roman imperial model persisted, and where the project of a Holy Roman Empire as restoration of the classical order remained politically active through the Middle Ages the process of ‘national’ unification did not take place (except partially and on a small scale) until the Romantic Age: during the nineteenth century. It assumed a deeply diverse aspect.
(CD: agreed)
In this case, it is not the state that builds a nation and stimulates a national consciousness, but rather a national consciousness which, in its maturity, seeks to express itself politically through one state. Belonging, for example, to the German or the Italian nation was not, initially, a fact on which to build national consciousness, but rather an idea (in its political sense): a spiritual attachment to a project that needed to be defined and was linked to an old imperial vision of a hierarchically organised cosmos.
(CD: agreed)
7. Today, the situation of European nationalism is analogous. Europe – Magna Europa – does not enjoy a real existence. Europe is only the destiny of those who recognise themselves as part of it. Furthermore, it is precisely to this ‘ghost,’ to this choice of culture, values, civilisation (i.e., the regeneration of history)—to this myth—that the faith of the good European is addressed. Ultimately, it is also contrasted with the jumble of states and petty-states inhabiting our continent, together with their squalid supranational bureaucracies.
(CD: agreed)
8. There is another reason why European nationalism should associate itself with the second model described above: the very same idea of Europe amounts to a transfigured re-emergence of the imperial vision. The unification of Europe on the model of the Jacobin nation-state—and in direct opposition to regionalist tendencies (even perhaps forcing linguistic, cultural, and administrative homogenisation)—is unthinkable. There is a further reason: the non-existence of the matter of Europe’s borders. Europe is not a territory, but rather a destiny offered to all who can trace an ethnic and spiritual relationship to it.
(CD: agreed)
This consideration helps clarify how un-European, in this sense, are institutions like the Council of Europe, an institution of which Turkey is a member today—and perhaps Israel tomorrow.
(CD: agreed)
9. With the Industrial Revolution, humankind entered into a phase of planetisation. None may avoid such planetary perspective or dream of impossible isolation. Planetary order is unavoidable. It is fated to come about, sooner or later.
Tomorrow’s Great Politics cannot be conceived or pursued without a ‘world order’.
(CD: Um. Either I dont understand what you’re getting at, or I don’t agree. i’m not sure which. What I see is vacillation between opening and closing, expanding and contracting, civilizations in response to circumstances, and some having the free capital to adapt and some not.)
10. Institutionally, we should study carefully three models: Switzerland, the USA Constitution (Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, and Adams) and Ancient Rome. My contribution today regarding Rome:
(CD: agreed 100% that those are the three ‘scales’. Swiss > American > Roman.
11. The planetisation that is taking place demands a ‘cosmic order.’ Will such order be ‘imperial’ or ‘egalitarian’? In that the future is open, this must remain unknown: we can merely commit ourselves to one or to the other.
(CD: Ok so this is where we are not seeing the same thing and that’s why I asked the question.)
The egalitarian solution implies the reduction of humankind ad unum, the emergence of the ‘universal type’ and of global standardisation. The imperial solution is hierarchical. If freedom in egalitarian dialectics is one absolute opposed to another (the denial of freedom), in imperial dialectics, freedom is merely a relative proposition directly linked to the notion of social responsibility. Within the Imperium, only the right of the best is absolute, measured according to the virtue manifested by humankind at a particular moment. However, Imperium is also, from a planetary perspective, the only means of preserving differences, thanks to the principle of unicuique suum, which implicitly recognises the fundamental inequality of values and identities.
Imperium may be seen as the alternative to globalisation: strength and cohesion in diversity as a model of planetary organisation.
(CD: I see speciation as an opportunity.)
Source date (UTC): 2017-11-12 22:37:00 UTC
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THE CHOICES a) Rule (conflict resolution), b) Government(commons production), c)
THE CHOICES
a) Rule (conflict resolution),
b) Government(commons production),
c) Market(Consumption production)
1 – Rule of Law vs Discretionary Rule
2 – Production of commons by a spectrum of discretion: individual, oligarchical, syndicalist, democratic.
3 – Distribution of control of property between rulers and citizens.
4 – Distribution of proceeds of the market between rulers and citizens. Capitalism (consumption), Socialism (commons production), Authoritarian(institutional production)
5 – Balance of Proceeds between consumption and commons and institutions.
Source date (UTC): 2017-11-12 21:47:00 UTC
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THERE ISN’T A DEFINITION OF FASCISM (REALLY) Fascism doesn’t actually have a def
THERE ISN’T A DEFINITION OF FASCISM (REALLY)
Fascism doesn’t actually have a definition. Look it up. What it’s reducible to is the application of total war (national organization for military and political conflict) to economics (national organization for economic and political conflict). The Nazis even took it all the way to aesthetics. (Which was one of their principal innovations.)
If we look at what the fascists did and their incentives it’s just an attempt to resist the twin cosmopolitan strategies of communism and capitalism.
In rough colloquial terms it means little more than suppression of the market for opposition. Or rather, intolerance for opposition.
Source date (UTC): 2017-11-12 21:39:00 UTC
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YOU CAN’T GET AROUND RECIPROCITY. POLITICS IS SOLVED. I mean, you can’t get arou
YOU CAN’T GET AROUND RECIPROCITY. POLITICS IS SOLVED.
I mean, you can’t get around reciprocity as the measure of morality. You can’t get around property in toto as the test and limit of reciprocity. You can’t get around natural law of reciprocity as the means of dispute resolution. You can’t get around markets under natural law of reciprocity. You can’t get around the fact that goods services and information can be used to conduct thefts directly, indirectly, and by externality. You can’t get around the fact that you can only warranty what you can perform restitution for, and therefore what you can warranty limits the goods, services, and information that you can bring to market. You can’t get around the fact that even proposing an alternative to a market order is something you cannot warranty, and something that is de facto an attempted theft. You can’t get around the fact that no matter what order you want to produce can be produced through exchange. What you can’t get around and none of us can get around, is that the least able have behavior to trade – what they may not do, and the most able have talents to trade – what they may do. You can’t get around these things. Ever. As far as I know political science is solved. It will just require us to suppress parasitism in this world by political means the same way we have suppressed parasitism by violence, theft, fraud in goods and services. And the principle means of doing so is suppression of advocacy of parasitism by information. And to do that requires only that we publish the requirements for reciprocity in all speech. And it turns out, that is possible, and not all that difficult.
Source date (UTC): 2017-11-12 21:34:00 UTC
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WHAT DOES “MARKET FASCISM” MEAN? It means nothing other than the prohibition on
WHAT DOES “MARKET FASCISM” MEAN?
It means nothing other than the prohibition on any alternative to voluntary and reciprocal orders, because even advocacy of an alternative is to engage in conspiracy to commit theft.
Militia > Sovereignty > Rule of Law > Markets In Everything
Source date (UTC): 2017-11-12 21:25:00 UTC
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WESTERN MAN DOES NOT ASK THE CAPITALISM VS SOCIALISM QUESTION: IT”S A COSMOPOLIT
WESTERN MAN DOES NOT ASK THE CAPITALISM VS SOCIALISM QUESTION: IT”S A COSMOPOLITAN DICHOTOMY.
The question of capitalism vs socialism is not a western question – It’s a Cosmopolitan Question. Westerners have always been homogenous and therefore could afford to be communitarian but we have done so by tripartism: classes.
The agrarian and industrial revolutions made it possible to shift vast numbers between the economic classes even if we maintained our genetic and social classes. The automation and information revolution is to some degree, reversing this trend.
And the wealth made possible by that shift created the illusion of difference between the classes in ability, rather than in consumption.
The western question is not capitalism vs communism.
The western question is the limits of discretion. We have all preferred the results of aristocratic production of commons, as long as aristocracy limited itself to rule of law by natural law.
We had only tradition, not science, to explain it to us. And we lacked the economics to measure it.
We don’t any longer.
So quite the opposite from what we intuit, we are in an even better position today to restore the optimum political order: a large number of monarchies competing for status and revenue produced by creating optimum markets to attract different distributions of classes of citizens.
It is extremely difficult to produce a single poly economic order. It is very simple to produce a market for economic orders.
The reason being that peoples with different abilities require different political orders.
Hence my concern with what I call ‘nationalism’ or ‘homogeneity’. Meaning: people with common kin class and economic interests.
Source date (UTC): 2017-11-12 21:20:00 UTC
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MARKETS ARE MADE BY INCREMENTAL SUPPRESSION OF PARASITISM
MARKETS ARE MADE BY INCREMENTAL SUPPRESSION OF PARASITISM.
Source date (UTC): 2017-11-12 21:11:00 UTC
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Free markets are just a fraud to allow profit from parasitism rather than from p
Free markets are just a fraud to allow profit from parasitism rather than from productivity. Fascism Sought To Stop it.
Source date (UTC): 2017-11-12 21:11:00 UTC