THE GREEK CIVIL RESPONSIBILITY NOT PERSONAL RELIGION
In his book on the subject, Did the Greeks Believe Their Myths?, Paul Veyne writes:
—“Myth is truthful, but figuratively so. It is not historical truth mixed with lies; it is a high philosophical teaching that is entirely true, on the condition that, instead of taking it literally, one sees in it an allegory.”—
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-09 17:59:00 UTC
YES, THANK YOU WESTERN CIVILIZATION
—“The World’s Poorest People Are Getting Richer Faster. In 1820, 94% of the world’s population lived in extreme poverty. In 1990, 34.8%, and in 2015, just 9.6%.”–humanprogressorg
Yes. Yes. Thank you.
Thank you Western Civilization, for high trust people, heroism, individual sovereignty, rule of law, truth-jury-and-judiciary, markets in association, cooperation, reproduction, production, commons, and polities; reason, empiricism, science; freedom from poverty, starvation ….
… hard labor, child mortality, early death, disease, suffering, superstition ignorance, tyranny and the vicissitudes of nature. Yes, thank you Western Civilization for dragging humanity kicking and screaming into modernity against their will, and hating you every day for it.
Thank you Western Civilization, The Evil White Male, The Oppressor, The Colonialist, the Bringer of ending human suffering and the privilege of ridiculing those to whom your entire station is but a debt.
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-09 17:41:00 UTC
—“Social norms, group identity, customs, are ghosts – not quite real until codified in law and law doesn’t exist until there is force to make it real (consequential)…”– Bill Joslin
(via Alain Dwight)
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-09 16:56:49 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1060939277784244226
by John Mark
One of the things that has helped me the most about Curt’s work is simply thinking in terms of “do they (whatever group) steal or not”. In other words, do they operate in reciprocity (natural law) or not.
E.g. as Curt says, it’s not capitalism vs socialism, it’s rule of law (reciprocity, natural law, no theft) vs absence of it (corruption, parasitism, theft). (Rough not exact paraphrase)
So many of the labels/terms people use are poorly defined or have different meanings depending on the speaker (often purposefully so, as a means of deceit/theft).
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-09 15:33:00 UTC
WHY THE MIDDLE MUST RULE
by John Mark
The Middle is only population segment with natural incentives to succeed honestly. The top likes to steal (corruption) cuz they can (they have the power to do so unless the middle punishes them for it). The bottom wants/tries to steal because they are too low-IQ to succeed much honestly. The middle is capable enough to succeed honestly but not powerful enough to have the opportunity to gain much by stealing/corruption.
Thus the middle must rule, and restrain the bottom and top.
Actually the law (natural law of reciprocity, Curt’s work and new constitution) must rule, but it will be primarily enforced by the middle whose incentives line up most with natural law.
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-09 11:57:00 UTC
—“Social norms, group identity, customs, are ghosts – not quite real until codified in law and law doesn’t exist until there is force to make it real (consequential)…”– Bill Joslin
(via Alain Dwight)
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-09 11:56:00 UTC
THE PROBLEM OF CONSERVATIVE MORALISM
by John Mark
The comments on this post about nonwhite voters are a fantastic example of moralistic wishful thinking (by right wingers).
https://www.facebook.com/218472611857878/posts/718933205145147/
“I am/know a Hispanic/black who votes Red!” (Anecdotal)
“The non-whites are learning and abandoning the Left! Polls said Trump’s approval among blacks was up!” (Midterm voting stats say otherwise)
“Don’t be racist!” (Moralistic *losing* strategy)
“We can teach them!” (Zero evidence that is true on large scale)
“We have to retake control of education!” (How, exactly? Not realistic within current system)
“Whites have to have more babies!” (We are not going to outbreed the hordes. Not realistic.)
“We have to move into blue areas and turn them purple!” (Literally no one is going to carry out this strategy.)
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-09 11:53:00 UTC
WE HAVE TO MAKE IT REAL FOR PEOPLE: ACTIONABLE
—“People buy into HOPE PORN because they don’t know what to DO about the status quo. Having concrete steps to take promotes realism.”—Jennifer Dean
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-09 09:03:00 UTC
BECOMING REAL
by Bill Joslin
(brilliant)
You are not real, you don’t exist until you act in the world – until an impact has been catalyzed. Nothing else; morals, hope, intentions, thoughts, feelings; none of it exists, only the acts and consequences of acts exist – you are what you’ve done – realz over feels…
When assessing the people around you, all that matters is what they’ve done and can do – not how nice they are, how moral they are, how amiable you find them, what they say – they are what they do. If they can’t do – there’s is nothing you can do with or for them- they are not equals and must be led.
Likewise – if you can’t do (we all have our limits) then best to step aside. Your intentions, thoughts, feels, understanding is useless and pointless until you can act.
Extrapolate this into larger scales – social norms, group identity, customs, are ghosts – not quite real until codified in law and law doesn’t exist until there is force to make it real (consequential)…
Therefore – if you want your people to exist – you must rule and many of your people won’t be able to rule, so you must lead them – sheepdog rule or your people , you, aren’t real.
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-09 08:56:00 UTC
SEEING THE DICHOTOMY AND TEACHING IT
by John Mark
Now that I see this dichotomy between hopeful-moral-wishful thinking and resigned-legal-realistic thinking, I see it everywhere.
Leftists, obviously moral/wishful. Libertardians, “principled conservatives”, classical liberal, and Civnats are still moral/wishful.
Even my wife, after Dems took the House, was emotionally upset. I said, “I’ve been telling you democracy is false hope for a long time now. Even if we’d won the House it would mean nothing in the long run.” “Yeah, but it’s just so upsetting (moral rant as she works through the emotions).”
It is hard to have your hopes shattered. High-openness right-wingers have it a bit easier because we immediately probe for outside the box solutions, that’s what we do. Low-openness folks have it harder because change is less comfortable for them in general.
It’s amazing watching the Right catch up to us slowly in real time. TheConservativeTreehouse (boomer civnat site) comment section on midterms night had many people saying “this was the nonwhites”. A new dynamic for them, normally signal hard against any race talk. The site proprietor said he just wanted to go fishing. (Emotional/wishful/hopeful thinking being shattered into realism.)
Becoming more aspie/scientific/realistic is emotionally difficult for most people, it usually only happens through the trauma of reality slapping them in the face brutally, and even then humans show a remarkable capacity to resist it. But any individual or group that embraces it (classic example Western Civ) to a greater extent than others has a tremendous advantage.
So the question is vital: How do we *train* it?
–John Mark
(CD: The Law is Easy to Teach)
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-09 08:54:00 UTC