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  • WESTERN MAN, AND THE LAW. by Michael Churchill (Paraphrasing Curt): The myth of

    WESTERN MAN, AND THE LAW.

    by Michael Churchill

    (Paraphrasing Curt): The myth of western man IS the law. The law is our mythology. We are creatures of the law. The law allowed us to rise out of the slime. To civilize ourselves and everybody else.

    (Paraphrasing Bil): Hippie healing experience is a not-very-useful diversion from law. Every hippie healing modality can be better handled with better application of natural law. It was some failure to apply the law (in past or present) that created the disorder and suffering in the first place. So one can go straight to the breakdown in the natural law and thereby get to the root of the problem. Identify the misunderstanding of natural law, and the root of the problem is revealed.

    To the extent one resists full accounting under natural law, one is fleeing from one’s problems, and the suffering continues. A week of hippie healing gives temporary respite from symptoms, but without full accounting and truth-telling, the core of the disorder remains.

    Half our suffering today results from suppression of natural law by those who benefit from its non-application (which leads to societal breakdown, which is always good for somebody).

    Anyway, this is the core of the Proprietarian analysis and I find it very persuasive. (But I am still not convinced Freud was completely wrong either.)

    (CD: Well, looks like michael has earned his propertarian diploma)


    Source date (UTC): 2018-11-10 14:46:00 UTC

  • VIOLENCE MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER; BUT WE SEEK AN ARBITER OF TRUTH, AND WE KNOW NO

    VIOLENCE MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER; BUT WE SEEK AN ARBITER OF TRUTH, AND WE KNOW NO TRUER OTHER

    by Brandon Hayes

    Swords first; words second. When words fail swords are drawn; violence is at the bedrock NOT discussion.

    This is the way of the world: “War, uncivilization, chaos are the defaults – peace and civilization are the anomalies. All civil human interactions draw from a complex set of proxies for violence.” – Bill Joslin

    Truth and what is true isn’t created in words (but discovered and explained); as words must be chosen carefully to have any grounding at all. Truth is reality en toto (words can barely do it justice). This is why God (reality) is the flaming sword bearer. This is why having untrue aim is to sin; for an arrow to fly true it adheres to Truth.

    All your proxies for the truth have blinded you to it; have protected you from it; have given you a false sense of its absence; and truth will be your rude awaking, as you’ve been ignoring its soft cries and recent screams.

    Please understand, until recently your proxies have sufficed. The idea to minimize violence through civilized means is a kind one; we believe in extending kinship. But, the unfit proxies haven’t replaced violence as of late; they have merely postponed it. We don’t settle issues anymore; we push them off and allow them to stew. Instead of keeping the pot cool you’ve been heating the water slowly in hopes of boiling you some frogs; they’ve noticed and are now escaping the pot.

    Look, we can (still, but not for long) avoid the conflicts to come; we, as humans, have a unique ability of willing ourselves into proper action (agency). We can change our behavior sets based on ideas; we can bully ourselves into new behavioral patterns; we can be our own animal trainers (domesticators).

    “The difference is, that because I look for negative externalities, frauds, thefts, exchanges, positive transfers, and positive externalities I CALCULATE that an action is immoral, amoral, or moral, and you INTUIT it.

    I have the AGENCY to consider all possibilities and choose the moral, amoral, or the immoral as required.

    This is the lesson of sun tzu, machiavelli, and aristotle – as well as every other general: morals are not truths but utilities, not knowledge but habits. The great books of wisdom and strategy are written so that we do not make the mistakes of christians and allow ourselves to be conquered, for having forgotten how to fight.

    They are written to ensure that we are civilized by reason not by habit..

    I have agency. I am not an animal. My intuitions provide information only. My reason rules my decisions. Moral, amoral, immoral, as needed.” – Curt Doolittle

    The arbiters of truths are always unpleasant; the truth is undesirable. That is until the Truth comes as violence and becomes undeniable. Human beings have it in them to fend off the harsh Truths of nature; even of human nature; but the humans show no signs that they will allow their lies to abate; they egg the truth on woefully unprepared for the horrors it has in-store for those who’ve denied it so long.

    Can we wise up in time? I pray we can; but I promise prayers alone aren’t enough.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-11-10 11:33:00 UTC

  • CHRISTIAN TOLERANCE AS FREE RIDING – FAILING TO PAY FOR THE COMMONS —“In my es

    CHRISTIAN TOLERANCE AS FREE RIDING – FAILING TO PAY FOR THE COMMONS

    —“In my estimation, most of what passes for Christian ‘turning the other cheek’ in our time is just cowardice and or weakness and decadence. Its the indecision that people like Joslin have recently written about… the inability to act. In order for such to be a truly valid moral action it would require strength of character and a context in which it was appropriately enacted leading to the betterment of relations between individuals and not just apathy or passivity on the part of the restrainer for evil others benefit.”— Chris Novalis


    Source date (UTC): 2018-11-10 11:30:00 UTC

  • “Do what is instrumental. The end has always justified the means. Virtue deliver

    —“Do what is instrumental. The end has always justified the means. Virtue delivers nothing if it is not accompanied by an iron will. Systems are applicable for a particular time, place, and people. Be Machiavelli in a world of Mother Teresas. Only fools abide by the rules of defeatists.”— @[724441849:2048:Charlie Delta]


    Source date (UTC): 2018-11-10 10:19:00 UTC

  • CONTINUING YOUR EXISTENCE by Bill Joslin In three generations (150 years), prett

    CONTINUING YOUR EXISTENCE

    by Bill Joslin

    In three generations (150 years), pretty much all people on the planet will not only be dead – but forgotten.

    People – average Joe’s – who lived 150 years ago are pretty much forgotten.

    What impact will you have on the world, during your life, which will still be relevant or even just remembered in 150 years?

    The point at which the impact of your life upon the world becomes irrelevant and forgotten marks the point where your existence ends.

    Unless you leave a mark on history, you’re life remains inconsequential, arbitrary and irrelevant – it makes no difference…

    So, this adds a new dimension to why having kids is meaningful – if you can’t affect an impact on the world via action, you can continue your existence via reproduction.


    Source date (UTC): 2018-11-10 09:14:00 UTC

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    photos_and_videos/TimelinePhotos_SxeO6JU-xg/45804441_10156768402232264_541718796205817856_o_10156768402222264.jpg (via james)Jarrod MarmaSynthesis of the two thoughNov 10, 2018, 8:19 AMElgin McConnell LoneyIf that’s what Stoicism looks like, I cringe to think how you would portray an extrovert.Nov 10, 2018, 8:44 AMSolomon VolodymyrStoic Buddhism = incendiary suicide bombing?Nov 10, 2018, 8:55 AMArby HydeExcept the Dalai Lama seems to side with the European right. Even the Burmese Buddhists are carrying out a sort of genocide against the Rohingya muslimsNov 10, 2018, 9:09 AMAndrew GribbleI doubt that holding public protests would gain Buddhists any concessions with the saracen.

    Different tactics for different enemies.Nov 10, 2018, 10:25 AMAlex GeolyAndrew GeolyNov 10, 2018, 11:30 AMCurt Doolittleit’s humor. act on the self or act on the world. but it sure gets the point across. lolNov 10, 2018, 11:31 AMCam PyperComfortingly nuanced.Nov 10, 2018, 9:13 PM(via james)


    Source date (UTC): 2018-11-10 08:10:00 UTC

  • “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.” ― Heinric

    “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”

    ― Heinrich Heine

    “We should forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged”

    ― Heinrich Heine

    “All I really want is enough to live on, a little house in the country… and a tree in the garden with seven of my enemies hanging in it. ”

    ― Heinrich Heine

    “In dark ages people are best guided by religion, as in a pitch-black night a blind man is the best guide; he knows the roads and paths better than a man who can see. When daylight comes, however, it is foolish to use blind, old men as guides.”

    ― Heinrich Heine

    “Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely stupid”

    ― Heinrich Heine

    “There are more fools in the world than there are people.”

    ― Heinrich Heine

    “The music at a wedding procession always reminds me of the music of soldiers going into battle.”

    ― Heinrich Heine


    Source date (UTC): 2018-11-10 07:25:00 UTC

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    VIOLENCE MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER; BUT WE SEEK AN ARBITER OF TRUTH, AND WE KNOW NO TRUER OTHER
    by Brandon Hayes Swords first; words second. When words fail swords are drawn; violence is at the bedrock NOT discussion. This is the way of the world: “War, uncivilization, chaos are the defaults – peace and civilization are the anomalies. All civil human interactions draw from a complex set of proxies for violence.” – Bill Joslin Truth and what is true isn’t created in words (but discovered and explained); as words must be chosen carefully to have any grounding at all. Truth is reality en toto (words can barely do it justice). This is why God (reality) is the flaming sword bearer. This is why having untrue aim is to sin; for an arrow to fly true it adheres to Truth. All your proxies for the truth have blinded you to it; have protected you from it; have given you a false sense of its absence; and truth will be your rude awaking, as you’ve been ignoring its soft cries and recent screams. Please understand, until recently your proxies have sufficed. The idea to minimize violence through civilized means is a kind one; we believe in extending kinship. But, the unfit proxies haven’t replaced violence as of late; they have merely postponed it. We don’t settle issues anymore; we push them off and allow them to stew. Instead of keeping the pot cool you’ve been heating the water slowly in hopes of boiling you some frogs; they’ve noticed and are now escaping the pot. Look, we can (still, but not for long) avoid the conflicts to come; we, as humans, have a unique ability of willing ourselves into proper action (agency). We can change our behavior sets based on ideas; we can bully ourselves into new behavioral patterns; we can be our own animal trainers (domesticators). “The difference is, that because I look for negative externalities, frauds, thefts, exchanges, positive transfers, and positive externalities I CALCULATE that an action is immoral, amoral, or moral, and you INTUIT it. I have the AGENCY to consider all possibilities and choose the moral, amoral, or the immoral as required. This is the lesson of sun tzu, machiavelli, and aristotle – as well as every other general: morals are not truths but utilities, not knowledge but habits. The great books of wisdom and strategy are written so that we do not make the mistakes of christians and allow ourselves to be conquered, for having forgotten how to fight. They are written to ensure that we are civilized by reason not by habit.. I have agency. I am not an animal. My intuitions provide information only. My reason rules my decisions. Moral, amoral, immoral, as needed.” – Curt Doolittle The arbiters of truths are always unpleasant; the truth is undesirable. That is until the Truth comes as violence and becomes undeniable. Human beings have it in them to fend off the harsh Truths of nature; even of human nature; but the humans show no signs that they will allow their lies to abate; they egg the truth on woefully unprepared for the horrors it has in-store for those who’ve denied it so long. Can we wise up in time? I pray we can; but I promise prayers alone aren’t enough.

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    VIOLENCE MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER; BUT WE SEEK AN ARBITER OF TRUTH, AND WE KNOW NO TRUER OTHER
    by Brandon Hayes Swords first; words second. When words fail swords are drawn; violence is at the bedrock NOT discussion. This is the way of the world: “War, uncivilization, chaos are the defaults – peace and civilization are the anomalies. All civil human interactions draw from a complex set of proxies for violence.” – Bill Joslin Truth and what is true isn’t created in words (but discovered and explained); as words must be chosen carefully to have any grounding at all. Truth is reality en toto (words can barely do it justice). This is why God (reality) is the flaming sword bearer. This is why having untrue aim is to sin; for an arrow to fly true it adheres to Truth. All your proxies for the truth have blinded you to it; have protected you from it; have given you a false sense of its absence; and truth will be your rude awaking, as you’ve been ignoring its soft cries and recent screams. Please understand, until recently your proxies have sufficed. The idea to minimize violence through civilized means is a kind one; we believe in extending kinship. But, the unfit proxies haven’t replaced violence as of late; they have merely postponed it. We don’t settle issues anymore; we push them off and allow them to stew. Instead of keeping the pot cool you’ve been heating the water slowly in hopes of boiling you some frogs; they’ve noticed and are now escaping the pot. Look, we can (still, but not for long) avoid the conflicts to come; we, as humans, have a unique ability of willing ourselves into proper action (agency). We can change our behavior sets based on ideas; we can bully ourselves into new behavioral patterns; we can be our own animal trainers (domesticators). “The difference is, that because I look for negative externalities, frauds, thefts, exchanges, positive transfers, and positive externalities I CALCULATE that an action is immoral, amoral, or moral, and you INTUIT it. I have the AGENCY to consider all possibilities and choose the moral, amoral, or the immoral as required. This is the lesson of sun tzu, machiavelli, and aristotle – as well as every other general: morals are not truths but utilities, not knowledge but habits. The great books of wisdom and strategy are written so that we do not make the mistakes of christians and allow ourselves to be conquered, for having forgotten how to fight. They are written to ensure that we are civilized by reason not by habit.. I have agency. I am not an animal. My intuitions provide information only. My reason rules my decisions. Moral, amoral, immoral, as needed.” – Curt Doolittle The arbiters of truths are always unpleasant; the truth is undesirable. That is until the Truth comes as violence and becomes undeniable. Human beings have it in them to fend off the harsh Truths of nature; even of human nature; but the humans show no signs that they will allow their lies to abate; they egg the truth on woefully unprepared for the horrors it has in-store for those who’ve denied it so long. Can we wise up in time? I pray we can; but I promise prayers alone aren’t enough.

  • “The story of its ruin is simple and obvious; and, instead of inquiring why the

    —“The story of its ruin is simple and obvious; and, instead of inquiring why the Roman empire was destroyed, we should rather be surprised that it had subsisted so long. The victorious legions, who, in distant wars, acquired the vices of strangers and mercenaries, first oppressed the freedom of the republic, and afterwards violated the majesty of the purple. The emperors, anxious for their personal safety and the public peace, were reduced to the base expedient of corrupting the discipline which rendered them alike formidable to their sovereign and to the enemy; the vigour of the military government was relaxed, and finally dissolved, by the partial institutions of Constantine; and the Roman world was overwhelmed by a deluge of Barbarians.”—

    — Edward Gibbon. The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Chapter 38 “General Observations on the Fall of the Roman Empire in the West”


    Source date (UTC): 2018-11-09 20:47:00 UTC