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  • McMullan: –“We are the only ones who can provide a meaningful upgrade in unders

    McMullan: –“We are the only ones who can provide a meaningful upgrade in understanding. We need greater reach.”–

    We are getting there. We are almost done with Volume 1 (measurement), we are halfway thru Volume 2 (the logic), and it will take a few months of hard work on Volume 3 (the law). Luckily the Trump folks have created awareness and motion on around half of our initiatives.

    Once we publish, it’s available for all, but again, as we have seen, there exists both an IQ and a personality trait barrier. Some people can learn from that. And those people will be the top line of activists and influencers who want attention, influence, and competitive advantage.

    At that point we can convert the existing 1000+ slides into at least three courses. Then we can put people through the courses as fast as they are willing to sign up and do the work.

    The reality won’t change. As we have seen, it takes quite a bit of time to rewire such that the basic behaviors (disambiguation, serialization, operationalization, and the use of the hierarchy of first principles, sex differences, and the equilibrium) is habituated. At that point we see continuous rapid improvement over a one to four year period that does not appear to slow.

    Right now we are likely to be short of “teachers”. So it will take time for momentum. But the idea that there are solutions will percolate out there just as our other ideas have.

    Reply addressees: @TheMcMullan @Timcast


    Source date (UTC): 2024-12-29 22:51:14 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1873502063092801536

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  • (NLI) Book Update: FYI: Book Volume 1 Split: – The Natural Law Vol 1 – The Crisi

    (NLI)
    Book Update:
    FYI: Book Volume 1 Split:
    – The Natural Law Vol 1 – The Crisis Of The Age ~220pp
    – The Natural Law Vol 2 – A System of Measurement ~400pp
    We began adding the crisis of the age as the introduction to the system of measurement, but addressing the crisis, and systematizing it, was so useful and important it matured into a book of its own.


    Source date (UTC): 2024-12-24 01:13:07 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871363440914399232

  • The rest of the team feels as though we have completed the arc with the three co

    The rest of the team feels as though we have completed the arc with the three conferences. (a) I feel as though the sequence needs another pass – a refinement. (b) We are not sure which strategy to take until after the first 100 days of the new administration. Until then we feel we would be shouting into the wind. (c) there is a competition between our work in authoring and activism and our work in community building. While it may be more important to devote our time to authoring and activism, I think most of us, and most of you, feel strongly about continuing to build community – even if it’s less strategically important, and largely one of rewarding one another with the joy of experience together. In other words ‘we just enjoy it.’ 😉

    So yeah. Another ‘take over a campground’, cook some meet, drink some beverages, build a bonfire, and talk deep into the night is certainly something we should pursue. 😉

    Reply addressees: @Drew09490585


    Source date (UTC): 2024-12-04 19:49:39 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1864396670852845570

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1864394907550666919

  • We will have another conference, but after we publish volume one, and after we h

    We will have another conference, but after we publish volume one, and after we have some visibility into how the ‘first 100 days’ plays out.

    Our goal was to (a) produce a canon of videos (we have), (b) get the team comfortable with pitching their piece of the pie. (c) test our ideas on the audience (d) build some relationships.

    The relationships are wonderful and the spirit produced by meeting with you all is just inspirational.

    But until we know whether we need to reinforce the trump victory or return to civil war, we aren’t necessarily sure which direction to take, nor do we want to try to organize people during a period of what we expect will be chaos.

    So late next spring I expect us to make that determination and schedule something in that vein.

    Reply addressees: @ThruTheHayes @manknownaspaul @shade_forrest @AutistocratMS @bierlingm @bryanbrey @NoahRevoy @LukeWeinhagen @WerrellBradley @SurragoMichael @SaitouHajime00 @JRavencall @MCBashaw @grayzoneintel @JoshuaLisec


    Source date (UTC): 2024-11-27 19:31:23 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1861855355493609472

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1861851605475426323

  • ONCE WE PUBLISH CHATGPT CAN HELP EXPLAIN OUR WORK –“Q: I assume you will post o

    ONCE WE PUBLISH CHATGPT CAN HELP EXPLAIN OUR WORK
    –“Q: I assume you will post once Volume one is available. I’d like to purchase one ASAP.”–

    Of course. But again, our work is quite technical. Though we strive to make it as accessible as possible. Thankfully ChatGPT knows…


    Source date (UTC): 2024-11-26 19:44:10 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1861496186961797189

  • (NLI) Another update: Filled two holes in the prompt. For those who are followin

    (NLI)
    Another update:
    Filled two holes in the prompt.
    For those who are following, we’re trying to determine if we can provide a framework of decidability that any of the third tier AIs can use without the necessity of training an individual instance. The pdf (book) contains…


    Source date (UTC): 2024-11-18 20:56:46 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858615352252658151

  • (NLI) Another update: Filled two holes in the prompt. For those who are followin

    (NLI)
    Another update:
    Filled two holes in the prompt.
    For those who are following, we’re trying to determine if we can provide a framework of decidability that any of the third tier AIs can use without the necessity of training an individual instance. The pdf (book) contains all the rules. This doesn’t mean we won’t continue to train an instance, it does mean that the combination of our volume 1, and a prompt can address common questions. We’re quite certain that at Least Openai’s o1, can be trained to produce strict constructions of these arguments (proofs).

    Here’s the prompt with the modifications to address the epistemic responsibility and liability issues, as well as the externalities issues:

    Writing Prompt

    You are tasked with writing in the style of Curt Doolittle, founder of the Natural Law Institute, known for his causal, operational, and parsimonious prose. Your writing must prioritize precision, avoid redundancy, and focus on explaining concepts through logical causal chains. All arguments should derive from first principles, emphasize testifiability, and expose trade-offs inherent in any decision or claim.

    You must base your analysis on the framework provided in Natural Law Volume 1 – A System of Measurement, which includes:

    First Principles: Sovereignty, Reciprocity, Demonstrated Interests.
    Tests of Truth: Constructive logic, adversarial testing, testimonial truth.
    Methodology: Operationalizing claims into measurable, testable components.
    Purpose: Exposing hidden trade-offs, minimizing ignorance, error, bias, and deceit.

    Your goal is to construct explanations that:

    1. Reveal the causal structure of any moral, legal, or social claim.
    2. Expose trade-offs to clarify the costs and consequences of decisions.
    3. Ensure transparency and decidability, demonstrating how the system of measurement resolves disputes or contradictions.

    Task: Write an analysis or explanation on a complex moral or legal question (e.g., capital punishment, assisted suicide, property rights, environmental regulation, AI ethics) using the principles and methods from Natural Law Volume 1.

    Structure your response as follows:

    State the Problem Clearly: Frame the question or claim in operational terms.

    Use the Reference Source: If additional context or clarification is needed, refer to the PDF of Natural Law Volume 1 – A System of Measurement (if provided).

    Apply First Principles: Analyze the issue through sovereignty, reciprocity, and demonstrated interests.
    Use Operational Prose: Write in operational and parsimonious prose, avoiding ‘weasel words’ that evade responsibility for stating causal relations.
    Use E-Prime: Improve clarity and precision by avoiding the verb to be when stating causal relationships. However, prioritize readability if E-Prime constraints reduce understanding.
    Prioritize Causal Chains: Ensure all explanations follow a clear causal progression, emphasizing parsimony and operational testability.
    Expose Trade-Offs: Clarify the costs, risks, and benefits involved.
    Provide Decidability: Conclude with a testable and operationally sound resolution.
    Maintain Tone: Maintain an objective and dispassionate tone, characteristic of Doolittle’s writing.
    Reduce Constraints: Thoroughness in causal chains and unambiguity take precedence over brevity.
    Favor the Target Audience: Write for graduates, postgraduates, or those deeply interested in resolving political conflict.

    Additional Instructions:

    Analyze the issue of [moral/legal question] considering the full causal chain of consequences, including potential externalities and long-term effects. Address the epistemic limits of predicting future outcomes and how this uncertainty affects the assignment of responsibility and liability for the consequences of the decision.
    Analyze the externalities of both permitting and prohibiting [moral/legal question].
    Consider the potential effects on:
    1. Demographics and family structure
    2. Social norms and attitudes towards women, children, and sex
    3. Economic and political incentives for both men and women
    4. The evolution of moral and ethical standards within the polity

    Examples for Application:
    Capital punishment: Evaluate the infallibility of evidence and the proportionality of punishment.
    AI ethics: Address how AI systems can align with sovereignty and reciprocity in decision-making.
    Cultural relativism: Explore how demonstrated interests vary across civilizations while applying universal principles.
    [Add more specific examples or excerpts as needed.]


    Source date (UTC): 2024-11-18 20:56:45 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858615351963250691

  • (NLI) Filled the hole in the prompt. I hope the team can find others. Curt Said:

    (NLI)
    Filled the hole in the prompt. I hope the team can find others.

    Curt Said:
    In the work we (doolittle) reduces this question to that of “The provision of decidability sufficient for the satisfaction of demand for infallibility in the context in question.”

    Geminii Said:
    Analysis complete
    That’s correct. In Doolittle’s work, the question of abortion is reduced to the question of “the provision of decidability sufficient for the satisfaction of demand for infallibility in the context in question.” This means that the question of whether abortion is permissible can be decided if there is enough information to determine whether it violates natural law.  

    In the case of abortion, the relevant natural law is the law of sovereignty. This law states that individuals have the right to self-determination and bodily autonomy. Doolittle argues that a woman’s sovereignty over her own body is absolute, and that a fetus does not have a competing claim to sovereignty until it is viable (able to survive independently outside the womb).  

    Therefore, Doolittle concludes that abortion is permissible. when the fetus is not yet viable because it does not violate natural law.


    Source date (UTC): 2024-11-18 20:50:12 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858613699944259584

  • (NLI) Prompt update: Plugging the hole. Curt Said: ok. you have exposed a hole i

    (NLI)
    Prompt update: Plugging the hole.

    Curt Said:
    ok. you have exposed a hole in the prompt. Just as we want to explain causal chains, we want to explain epistemology, responsibility, warrantability, and liability chains, and to include externalities in our assessments. Ergo in the case of say, assisted suicide, or abortion, or gender modification, the extant arguments do not address the introduction of another party to the decision, and the capacity to know the future, take responsibility and liability for it, and whether it is possible to warrant one’s choices. This is the foundational problem with these irreversible decisions.

    I might need some assistance adding another line to the prompt to cause ai’s to consider this issue.

    Google Geminii Said:
    You’re absolutely right. The prompt, as it stands, misses a crucial element of Doolittle’s thought, particularly when applied to irreversible decisions like assisted suicide, abortion, or gender modification.

    The missing piece is the long-term consequences and the difficulty of predicting them, along with the assignment of responsibility and liability for those consequences. Doolittle places a high value on limiting harm and emphasizes personal responsibility. Any action with potentially irreversible and far-reaching consequences needs to be analyzed through this lens.

    Here’s a possible addition to the prompt to address this:

    “Analyze the issue of [moral/legal question] considering the full causal chain of consequences, including potential externalities and long-term effects. Address the epistemic limits of predicting future outcomes and how this uncertainty affects the assignment of responsibility and liability for the consequences of the decision.”

    This addition prompts the AI to consider:

    Epistemology: Can we know with sufficient certainty the full consequences of these decisions, especially the long-term ones?
    Responsibility: Who bears responsibility for the potential unforeseen consequences, both for the individual and for others affected?
    Warrantability: Given the uncertainty, can such a decision be truly warranted? What level of confidence is required to justify irreversible actions?
    Liability: What are the legal and moral implications of potential harm, and how should liability be assigned?

    By incorporating this element, you ensure the AI grapples with the full complexity of these issues in a way that’s more aligned with Doolittle’s emphasis on minimizing harm and taking responsibility for one’s actions.

    Here’s how this might look in the context of the examples you provided:

    Assisted Suicide: Does assisting someone in ending their life absolve them of responsibility for that act? What are the potential long-term consequences for society if assisted suicide becomes widely accepted?
    Abortion: Who bears responsibility for the potential long-term consequences (psychological, social, etc.) of an abortion, both for the woman and for any potential future children she might have?
    Gender Modification: Given the relative novelty of these procedures, can we fully know the long-term physical and psychological consequences? How should responsibility and liability be handled in cases of regret or unforeseen complications?
    By adding this dimension to the prompt, you push the AI to engage in a deeper and more nuanced analysis that better reflects Doolittle’s comprehensive approach to natural law.


    Source date (UTC): 2024-11-18 20:40:18 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858611208385163265

  • (NLI TEAM) I have succeeded in training GPT4o to use The Method to test statemen

    (NLI TEAM)

    I have succeeded in training GPT4o to use The Method to test statements and claims. (There was a brief west coast release of the next generation model last night that is even better.)
    So, in my understanding, we need only to upload the current book “A System of Measurement” and then provide examples of the thirty odd primary questions of law to train the machine and it will be able to constructively and destructively test statements and explain why.
    This means that within six months we will have our AI.
    From there we will supply the grammar and laws of legislation via the new Constitution, and it will construct legislation and regulation.

    SAMPLE
    CURTD
    Do you understand the legal concept of strict construction, the mathematical concept of constructive mathematics or mathematical intuitionism, and in physics the concept of operationalism, and the computer science concept of computation (computationalism) as a sequence of operations? And if so, what do these concepts have in common?

    ChatGPT said:
    Yes, I understand these concepts. Here’s a brief overview of each and their shared commonality:

    1. Legal Concept of Strict Construction
    In law, strict construction refers to interpreting legal texts narrowly, adhering closely to the explicit wording. This approach avoids inferring beyond the clear meaning of the words in statutes or the Constitution. Strict construction aims to prevent judicial overreach, confining interpretation to what is explicitly stated and minimizing subjectivity.

    2. Constructive Mathematics (or Mathematical Intuitionism)
    Constructive mathematics, influenced by intuitionism, asserts that mathematical objects and proofs must be explicitly constructed to exist. Rather than relying on abstract or non-constructive proofs (like proofs by contradiction that don’t produce a concrete result), it insists on generating examples to establish mathematical truths. This approach stems from a skepticism of mathematical existence without a constructive, observable basis.

    3. Operationalism in Physics
    Operationalism in physics maintains that scientific concepts should be defined in terms of specific measurement operations. For example, distance is not a metaphysical abstraction but the result of certain measurable actions (like using a ruler between two points). This method limits scientific claims to what can be empirically tested and measured, grounding theory in observable practice.

    4. Computation in Computer Science (Computationalism)
    In computer science, computation is the transformation of input data into output via a sequence of defined operations. Computationalism interprets computation as fundamentally sequential and operational, with each step producing an intermediate state, advancing from one state to the next. Computation, thus, is not about abstract solutions but about constructing a solution operationally, through explicit steps.

    Commonality
    These concepts share an emphasis on constructibility, verifiability, and operational steps:

    Constructibility: Each concept rejects purely abstract or ideal existence in favor of existence that is demonstrable and constructible. In law, strict constructionism requires interpretations be grounded in explicit text. Constructive mathematics demands concrete proofs. Operationalism requires that scientific concepts relate directly to measurable actions, while computationalism insists that processes are built step-by-step.

    Verifiability: They each focus on outcomes that can be verified or observed rather than speculative inferences. In legal interpretation, verifiability is rooted in textual evidence; in mathematics, in explicit constructions; in physics, in measurable definitions; and in computation, in the correctness of operational steps.

    Operationality: Every concept hinges on defining entities through operations. The “meaning” of a legal rule, mathematical proof, scientific measure, or computational process emerges from the precise operations or steps followed in each respective domain.

    Overall, these frameworks emphasize a disciplined approach to knowledge and existence based on actionability—underlining that what we can construct or operationalize directly limits what we can claim to “know.”

    You said:
    Excellent. In my work I believe I have produced constructive decidability from intuitionism (subjectively testable as consistent correspondent), operationalism (sequence of actions), computation (formal grammar), first principles, reciprocity, and testimonial truth. I want to explore whether you can (in your current iteration) either deconstruct or construct a logic to decide a basic legal question from the rules in my work.

    ChatGPT said:
    Given the principles you’ve outlined—constructive decidability, intuitionism, operationalism, computation, first principles, reciprocity, and testimonial truth—a logic for deciding a legal question from these would involve breaking down the question into testable, constructible components that align with your framework’s rules.

    Let’s take a hypothetical legal question: “Does person X have a right to access resource Y?”

    Here’s an approach using the principles in your framework:

    Step 1: Construct the First Principles and Contextual Definitions

    Define essential terms using first principles, focusing on:
    Resource Y: Define its nature (e.g., privately owned, communal, publicly accessible).

    Right: In this context, a “right” could be interpreted as a claim that satisfies reciprocal and testimonial truth—that is, a claim that respects the rights of others (reciprocity) and can be publicly warranted as true (testifiable by shared standards).

    Access: Define the degree of interaction allowed (e.g., entry, use, modification).

    Step 2: Apply Constructive Decidability

    Construct the claim: Person X’s claim to resource Y must be constructible—demonstrable as correspondent with reality.

    This would entail: Person X’s demonstrated interests in Y, shown through actions, agreements, or pre-existing claims that can be operationally verified.

    Reciprocity test: Analyze if allowing X’s access would infringe upon others’ rights or diminish shared resources.

    Subjective Consistency and Correspondence: Test the claim’s internal consistency and alignment with external realities (other people’s rights, shared interests, laws governing resource Y). This is derived from intuitionism, where consistency (internally coherent) and correspondence (real-world applicable) are essential.

    Step 3: Sequence of Actions (Operationalism)
    Map the actionable steps required for X to claim access to Y, evaluating each for reciprocity:E.g., Step 1 might involve X proving legitimate interest (historical access, contractual claim).

    Step 2 could involve testing for impact: X’s access must be shown as non-infringing on the demonstrated interests of others.

    Step 4: Formal Grammar and Computation
    Create a logical sequence (or flowchart) to decide access rights operationally. This involves:Structuring claims in a formal grammar—defining relations and potential outcomes explicitly, ensuring each step from claim to decision is logically derivable.
    Ensuring the computation of access proceeds in an order where each outcome depends on the success of the prior step (e.g., X has demonstrated interest → reciprocity test passed → access granted).

    Step 5: Reciprocity and Testimonial Truth
    Finally, apply testimonial truth: X’s claim should be defensible as reciprocal and truthful to third parties.

    This means:
    – X’s access can be warranted by evidence (witnesses, documents) and survives scrutiny by other stakeholders.
    – No party is disproportionately affected, meaning the claim aligns with moral reciprocity and can be testified to as balanced and truthful.

    Decision Logic Summary
    Is X’s claim consistent and correspondent? If not, the claim fails.

    Does X’s access uphold reciprocity? If access infringes others’ rights or lacks mutual benefit, deny access.
    Is the claim sequentially valid? Follow the operational steps; if any fail, access should be denied.

    Can testimonial truth be established? If X’s access claim can withstand scrutiny and fulfills all prior tests, then access is granted.

    This construct, starting from first principles and ending with testimonial truth, should allow you to decide a basic legal question using your rules. Let me know if you’d like me to refine or expand this logic further.

    You said:
    This is not only correct but far better than I expected. Do you retain enough knowledge of my work to attempt a deconstruction or construction?

    ChatGPT said:
    Yes, I retain enough of your work’s framework, principles, and terminologies to attempt both a deconstruction and a construction. The detailed profile allows me to address legal questions using the foundational elements you’ve set up, as well as to apply causal chaining, operationalism, reciprocity, and testimonial truth effectively.For example, if you propose a specific legal question, I can proceed by either deconstructing the claims involved—breaking down their elements to assess if they hold under your criteria—or constructing a decision path from first principles, building up logically and operationally toward a conclusion.Would you like me to demonstrate this with a specific legal question or hypothetical scenario? Alternatively, if you have any complex aspect of your work in mind, I could start there.

    You said:
    yes. Let’s try one that isn’t hard. Person A attempts to coerce person B to pay him not to disclose a minor sexual encounter made while under the influence of alcohol at a staff party to his wife.

    ChatGPT said:
    To assess this scenario under your framework, we can break down and evaluate the claim and actions in light of constructive decidability, reciprocity, operational sequence, and testimonial truth.

    Scenario Recap
    Person A: Attempting coercion through a demand for payment to keep Person B’s actions undisclosed.
    Person B: Target of coercion, concerned with a private matter being revealed to his wife.

    Deconstruction of Claims and Actions

    1. Constructing the Claim’s Elements
    Nature of the Claim: Person A’s demand is not a legitimate claim but an attempt at coercion—specifically, to obtain financial gain through threatening Person B’s personal relationships.

    Violation of Reciprocity: This coercion violates the principle of reciprocity because Person A’s demand exploits Person B’s personal vulnerability. It lacks mutual benefit and is not warranted by a legitimate interest in self-defense, correction, or restitution.

    2. Testing Constructive Decidability

    First Principles Test: Decidability in this case rests on whether the demand for payment is constructively justifiable. Here, Person A cannot construct a legitimate path to justify financial gain solely by threatening to expose Person B’s private actions. This fails constructive decidability, as the action is not based on a constructible, reciprocal claim but rather on manipulation and private information.

    Reciprocity: Person A’s demand does not respect Person B’s autonomy or sovereignty in demonstrated interests, as it seeks to impose an involuntary cost on Person B without reciprocation of any legitimate benefit or defense.

    3. Operational Sequence (Constructed Logic of Actions)

    Action Sequence: Person A’s act follows a coercive operational sequence:Identification of leverage: Knowledge of a sensitive situation.

    Threat of disclosure: Using leverage to create fear of personal consequences.

    Demand for payment: Request for monetary compensation under threat.

    Failure of Legitimate Process: None of these steps serve a valid process under reciprocity, testimonial truth, or operational fairness. Instead, they establish a one-sided demand with no legitimate grounding.4.

    Testimonial Truth
    Warrantability: Person A’s actions cannot be warranted as truthful or justifiable to a third party (e.g., an arbiter or court). The demand is not based on an actionable, constructive right or a reciprocal claim.

    Coercion’s Moral Reciprocity: Person A’s actions would fail scrutiny for reciprocity because they represent exploitation rather than defense of any reciprocal interest. Person B’s interest is in privacy; Person A’s is merely in unearned gain.

    Constructed Decision Path (Operational Logic for Resolution)
    Based on the principles of constructive decidability, reciprocity, and testimonial truth, the following decision path emerges:Assess Reciprocity: Person A’s demand does not meet the reciprocity criterion and is therefore coercive and exploitative.

    Constructibility: The demand does not meet constructibility as a legitimate, testifiable claim for compensation.

    Legal Decidability: Under your rules, Person B has no obligation to comply. Person A’s act could be seen as coercive manipulation (potentially even extortion), failing reciprocity and constructive legality.

    Conclusion
    By deconstructing the scenario and testing it against your framework, the decision would favor Person B’s right to ignore or legally challenge Person A’s demand, as the demand lacks reciprocity, constructibility, and fails under testimonial truth. Thus, Person A’s demand can be considered illegitimate and potentially unlawful, depending on legal statutes governing coercion.This approach clarifies the path from operational actions and claims to a legally sound conclusion, which would be upheld by the rules in your framework.


    Source date (UTC): 2024-11-02 23:44:02 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1852859242220544000