Form: Argument

  • You can’t have a right to ignore commands, aggress against, violate the space of

    You can’t have a right to ignore commands, aggress against, violate the space of, taunt, even address police. And you certainly can’t have the right to riot.
    Worse, you don’t pay into the retirement system, you pay for those who are older, and those who are younger may pay you. BUT if you don’t produce enough children (you don’t), and if you depend on immigrants who are dependent rather that productive (you did), then there is no one to pay for you. So the person in the french mirror is the person to blame.


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-16 12:57:32 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647585013293096963

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647313678281080832

  • You can’t have a right to ignore commands, aggress against, violate the space of

    You can’t have a right to ignore commands, aggress against, violate the space of, taunt, even address police. And you certainly can’t have the right to riot.
    Worse, you don’t pay into the retirement system, you pay for those who are older, and those who are younger may pay you. BUT if you don’t produce enough children (you don’t), and if you depend on immigrants who are dependent rather that productive (you did), then there is no one to pay for you. So the person in the french mirror is the person to blame.

    Reply addressees: @real1maria


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-16 12:57:32 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647585013205020674

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647313678281080832

  • We hope they are ostracized and fearful enough that they keep their behavior pri

    We hope they are ostracized and fearful enough that they keep their behavior private and out of the commons – that’s the purpose of norms, and countersignaling abuse of norms. Worse, given the family is the first organization of producdtion, and children are the most expensive…


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-16 09:58:31 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647539961355292673

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647520317953253377

  • Psychologizing, like moralizing, is an anti-social retreat into the evasion of a

    Psychologizing, like moralizing, is an anti-social retreat into the evasion of argument by the sequence of denial, undermining, rallying, reputation destruction, and social construction of cognitively feminine behavior.

    The most common cause is the cognitively feminine inability to tolerate violations of their self image, status, and sexual, social, economic,and political market value.

    Either one can make an argument or not.
    Either one can produce outputs demonstrating one’s ability or not.

    Failure to make an argument is demonstrating one lacks ability – and using denying, lying, undermining, rallying, and social construction demonstrates one lacks basic ethical and moral character.


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-16 09:38:41 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647534971232440322

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647512410649919488

  • Psychologizing, like moralizing, is an anti-social retreat into the evasion of a

    Psychologizing, like moralizing, is an anti-social retreat into the evasion of argument by the sequence of denial, undermining, rallying, reputation destruction, and social construction of cognitively feminine behavior.

    The most common cause is the cognitively feminine inability to tolerate violations of their self image, status, and sexual, social, economic,and political market value.

    Either one can make an argument or not.
    Either one can produce outputs demonstrating one’s ability or not.

    Failure to make an argument is demonstrating one lacks ability – and using denying, lying, undermining, rallying, and social construction demonstrates one lacks basic ethical and moral character.

    Reply addressees: @ThreeSDNordid @GarryNestlerJr @jollyheretic @charlesmurray


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-16 09:38:41 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647534971140145158

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647512410649919488

  • Responses are evidence that my assessment is correct. In general, empathizing an

    Responses are evidence that my assessment is correct.
    In general, empathizing and ignorance don’t scale. If you don’t have experience managing others at scale you dont have competency without the above education in the difficulty of scale. If you don’t know at least behavioral, micro, and political economics then you are too ignorant to hold an opinion of what mankind is capable of – and not. If you don’t know civilizational differences in rates of development or stagnation you don’t know what scale of cooperation mankind is capable of and not. If you don’t know the natural, common, concurrent law, you don’t know what ills mankind is capable of. If you don’t know cognitive science, you don’t know what mankind’s mind is capable of with without discipline.

    And that’s what ‘teachers’ are ‘teaching’: institutionalized ignorance, and it’s playing out in friendships, mating, marriage and family, employment, the competitiveness of industries, the demographic collapse, and the coming contraction of relative wealth of our civilization.

    Why? Feminine evasion of responsibility and duty for the possiblity of the returns on scale. Under the false pretense of kindness, compassion, and empathy – which creates infantilism and maladaptation: fragility, and as such is just failure of the responsibility to teach.

    Versus the production of anti-fragility by teaching them the europeaen tradition of stoicism – or what we call ‘adulthood’ – habituation into the conduct of adversarial competition toward moral ends of all by teaching insulation from the “emotional weakness pettiness and irresponsibility of others.”

    Just is. I don’t make the laws of the universe. But some of us accept the responsibility of preventing those who fancy that by social construction of illusions we can circumvent those laws of the universe.

    And those foolish people drag those of us who are not, down with them – unless we separate and go our separage political ways.


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-16 03:43:45 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647445647480565762

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647425519665786881


    IN REPLY TO:

    Unknown author

    Do you teach responsibility for self determination by self determined means, and responsibility for requring others to do the same, and the responsibility of truth before face regardless of consequences, and basic behavioral and micro economics, or that adversarial conflict and competition resulting in discovery of previously unknown opportunties for all, or that western civ was the only one to survive exhaustion of agrarian civiization and subsequent stagnation decline after 800ad of every other civ, or that this demand for the maximization of individual responsibilty for both the private and the common is the reason you have the opportunity to engage in teaching children the exact oppposite?

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1647425519665786881

  • Responses are evidence that my assessment is correct. In general, empathizing an

    Responses are evidence that my assessment is correct.
    In general, empathizing and ignorance don’t scale. If you don’t have experience managing others at scale you dont have competency without the above education in the difficulty of scale. If you don’t know at least behavioral, micro, and political economics then you are too ignorant to hold an opinion of what mankind is capable of – and not. If you don’t know civilizational differences in rates of development or stagnation you don’t know what scale of cooperation mankind is capable of and not. If you don’t know the natural, common, concurrent law, you don’t know what ills mankind is capable of. If you don’t know cognitive science, you don’t know what mankind’s mind is capable of with without discipline.

    And that’s what ‘teachers’ are ‘teaching’: institutionalized ignorance, and it’s playing out in friendships, mating, marriage and family, employment, the competitiveness of industries, the demographic collapse, and the coming contraction of relative wealth of our civilization.

    Why? Feminine evasion of responsibility and duty for the possiblity of the returns on scale. Under the false pretense of kindness, compassion, and empathy – which creates infantilism and maladaptation: fragility, and as such is just failure of the responsibility to teach.

    Versus the production of anti-fragility by teaching them the europeaen tradition of stoicism – or what we call ‘adulthood’ – habituation into the conduct of adversarial competition toward moral ends of all by teaching insulation from the “emotional weakness pettiness and irresponsibility of others.”

    Just is. I don’t make the laws of the universe. But some of us accept the responsibility of preventing those who fancy that by social construction of illusions we can circumvent those laws of the universe.

    And those foolish people drag those of us who are not, down with them – unless we separate and go our separage political ways.

    Reply addressees: @terrilbruce @GregAbbott_TX


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-16 03:43:45 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647445647300206593

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647425519665786881


    IN REPLY TO:

    Unknown author

    Do you teach responsibility for self determination by self determined means, and responsibility for requring others to do the same, and the responsibility of truth before face regardless of consequences, and basic behavioral and micro economics, or that adversarial conflict and competition resulting in discovery of previously unknown opportunties for all, or that western civ was the only one to survive exhaustion of agrarian civiization and subsequent stagnation decline after 800ad of every other civ, or that this demand for the maximization of individual responsibilty for both the private and the common is the reason you have the opportunity to engage in teaching children the exact oppposite?

    Original post: https://x.com/i/web/status/1647425519665786881

  • “Q: CURT; WHY IS NASSIM TALEB TRYING TO ARGUE AGAINST IQ TESTING?” Simple: (a) H

    “Q: CURT; WHY IS NASSIM TALEB TRYING TO ARGUE AGAINST IQ TESTING?”
    Simple:
    (a) He’s claiming wealth is a proxy for demonstrated intelligence. (false)
    (b) He’s claiming IQ has limited effect on income and wealth (true)
    (c) Where it does have effect it’s in those who lack enough of it. (false)
    (d) That there are other individual factors that matter as much or more – especially trait conscientiousness. But also manners, ethics, morals, and class signals of trust.
    (e) That there are other group factors that matter as much or more – the average intelligence of the group (meaning the ratio of the size of the underclass to the ‘smart fraction’ being a resistance)
    (f) That as intelligence increases marginal differences in demand for intelligence decrease, if for no other reason that at some point, you don’t have a large enough constituency for your ability and what you WANT to do with that ability to create surplus income and wealth. If for no other reason than your IQ *IS* your wealth, your entertainment, and your risk reduction.
    AND;
    (a) He has a chip on his shoulder that’s partly class and partly race.
    (b) He’s trying to defend a race and culture difference by claiming it doesn’t exist.
    (c) He’s trying to preserve the falsehood that his ‘fat tony’ character archetype is smart rather than IMMORAL.
    (d) He’s evading the fact that this particular IMMORALITY is what the west institutionally selects against.
    (e) And that morality is what companies are hiring for: productivity, morality, trustworthiness, and error detection. (Not gambling in financial markets that profits from others failures.) Because those are the traits that allow western civ organizations and institutions to scale, and prevent his culture’s organizations and institutions from scaling.
    (f) And this is why he’s ‘failed’ in his project – He tried to discover a measure of informational change that won’t be possible until we have a standard weight and measure from AGI. AND because the way we defend against immorality is sovereignty, reciprocity, truth before face, duty before self, embodied in the rule of law, of that natural law, that prevents the West turning into the low-trust middle east. (Which is what he’s saying is ‘smart’: the ethics of the bazaar.)
    (g) In other words, at the end of his rainbow he can’t face the fact that he’s discovered his ethics, his sense of being ‘smart’, his entire self-image, is just ‘immorality that is the reason for the failure of his culture’.
    (h) And so he’s using ‘mathiness’ and pseudoscience to attack IQ by claiming individual income is a proxy for intelligence, rather than all that matters for income by YOUR demonstrated intelligence in markets is everyone ELSE’s intelligence, and personality and norms, traditions, morals and institutions, which will cause a strong distribution to the left (inability) and a narrower distribution to the right (ability). If for no other reason than it’s increasingly difficult to gain marginal improvement in income when you’re competing with increasingly competent people (duh).

    IQ tests are correct. We could claim that prediction is more important than recall and recitation and test for that – but it’s very difficult. We could claim that we require personality and morality tests in addition to intelligence testing. And I’ve argued for that. And we could claim that a test of manners and agreeableness would help aslo. But the present IQ tests are just a measure of rates of learning demonstrated by performance against many types of problems- because that’s all IQ is: rate and breadth of neurological conductivity and associativity. It’s the same formula as transmission by undersea cables (all cables).

    Now I’ve stated this before, and I’ve written about Taleb’s ‘game’ extensively and I’ve made a video about it. He’s blocked me for stating it. And I think he’s intellectually dishonest to promote it. And given his disagreeableness systematizing and ego’s dominance expression (and yes, I’m one to talk, right? Because I’m almost as bad), it’s blatantly obvious what he’s trying to accomplish by defending his ethic, his work, and his culture from due criticism.

    I started out about the same time as Nassim doing about the same thing, except with primitive AI’s for military and simulation purposes. In that case ‘innovation’ (tail events, tail effects, meaning “innovations’) that are desired require far more information than we’d assume when it’s almost impossible for the behavior of such AI’s to become deterministic (and militarily useless). Nassim was taking the opposite view, of trying to predict rather than create tail events.

    I came to the same conclusion. But I didn’t try to ‘math’ my way out of it because as a computationalist rather than a mathematician (and there is a big difference). I was keenly aware of the limits of mathematics (and given Taleb’s fascination with Mandelbrot) he should have been also.

    Instead, as Hayek discovered, you can’t use math or positive legislation or positive economics to via-positiva produce a direct good. You can only use natural law in legislation, measured by economic innovation, to suppress all ‘bad things’ leaving the greatest window of opportunity for good things “innovation’.

    As in everything, when Babbage failed to convert his insights into a general theory, we lost a century to sophistry in math, logic, and philosophy, until we crashed and burned set and verbal logic, and it’s discipline in philosophy in the mid-last century. At least Wolfram is somewhat fitfully demonstrating it in his ‘math of state machines’, and we now know enough about the human brain, as demonstrated by the backward training of neural networks using language instead of evolving them from embodiment. (Didn’t see that one coming myself.)

    I hope this helps.

    Cheers
    Curt Doolittle
    The Natural Law Institute.


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-12 23:15:53 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646291076448223236

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646277900524720130

  • “Q: CURT; WHY IS NASSIM TALEB TRYING TO ARGUE AGAINST IQ TESTING?” Simple: (a) H

    “Q: CURT; WHY IS NASSIM TALEB TRYING TO ARGUE AGAINST IQ TESTING?”
    Simple:
    (a) He’s claiming wealth is a proxy for demonstrated intelligence. (false)
    (b) He’s claiming IQ has limited effect on income and wealth (true)
    (c) Where it does have effect it’s in those who lack enough of it. (false)
    (d) That there are other individual factors that matter as much or more – especially trait conscientiousness. But also manners, ethics, morals, and class signals of trust.
    (e) That there are other group factors that matter as much or more – the average intelligence of the group (meaning the ratio of the size of the underclass to the ‘smart fraction’ being a resistance)
    (f) That as intelligence increases marginal differences in demand for intelligence decrease, if for no other reason that at some point, you don’t have a large enough constituency for your ability and what you WANT to do with that ability to create surplus income and wealth. If for no other reason than your IQ *IS* your wealth, your entertainment, and your risk reduction.
    AND;
    (a) He has a chip on his shoulder that’s partly class and partly race.
    (b) He’s trying to defend a race and culture difference by claiming it doesn’t exist.
    (c) He’s trying to preserve the falsehood that his ‘fat tony’ character archetype is smart rather than IMMORAL.
    (d) He’s evading the fact that this particular IMMORALITY is what the west institutionally selects against.
    (e) And that morality is what companies are hiring for: productivity, morality, trustworthiness, and error detection. (Not gambling in financial markets that profits from others failures.) Because those are the traits that allow western civ organizations and institutions to scale, and prevent his culture’s organizations and institutions from scaling.
    (f) And this is why he’s ‘failed’ in his project – He tried to discover a measure of informational change that won’t be possible until we have a standard weight and measure from AGI. AND because the way we defend against immorality is sovereignty, reciprocity, truth before face, duty before self, embodied in the rule of law, of that natural law, that prevents the West turning into the low-trust middle east. (Which is what he’s saying is ‘smart’: the ethics of the bazaar.)
    (g) In other words, at the end of his rainbow he can’t face the fact that he’s discovered his ethics, his sense of being ‘smart’, his entire self-image, is just ‘immorality that is the reason for the failure of his culture’.
    (h) And so he’s using ‘mathiness’ and pseudoscience to attack IQ by claiming individual income is a proxy for intelligence, rather than all that matters for income by YOUR demonstrated intelligence in markets is everyone ELSE’s intelligence, and personality and norms, traditions, morals and institutions, which will cause a strong distribution to the left (inability) and a narrower distribution to the right (ability). If for no other reason than it’s increasingly difficult to gain marginal improvement in income when you’re competing with increasingly competent people (duh).

    IQ tests are correct. We could claim that prediction is more important than recall and recitation and test for that – but it’s very difficult. We could claim that we require personality and morality tests in addition to intelligence testing. And I’ve argued for that. And we could claim that a test of manners and agreeableness would help aslo. But the present IQ tests are just a measure of rates of learning demonstrated by performance against many types of problems- because that’s all IQ is: rate and breadth of neurological conductivity and associativity. It’s the same formula as transmission by undersea cables (all cables).

    Now I’ve stated this before, and I’ve written about Taleb’s ‘game’ extensively and I’ve made a video about it. He’s blocked me for stating it. And I think he’s intellectually dishonest to promote it. And given his disagreeableness systematizing and ego’s dominance expression (and yes, I’m one to talk, right? Because I’m almost as bad), it’s blatantly obvious what he’s trying to accomplish by defending his ethic, his work, and his culture from due criticism.

    I started out about the same time as Nassim doing about the same thing, except with primitive AI’s for military and simulation purposes. In that case ‘innovation’ (tail events, tail effects, meaning “innovations’) that are desired require far more information than we’d assume when it’s almost impossible for the behavior of such AI’s to become deterministic (and militarily useless). Nassim was taking the opposite view, of trying to predict rather than create tail events.

    I came to the same conclusion. But I didn’t try to ‘math’ my way out of it because as a computationalist rather than a mathematician (and there is a big difference). I was keenly aware of the limits of mathematics (and given Taleb’s fascination with Mandelbrot) he should have been also.

    Instead, as Hayek discovered, you can’t use math or positive legislation or positive economics to via-positiva produce a direct good. You can only use natural law in legislation, measured by economic innovation, to suppress all ‘bad things’ leaving the greatest window of opportunity for good things “innovation’.

    As in everything, when Babbage failed to convert his insights into a general theory, we lost a century to sophistry in math, logic, and philosophy, until we crashed and burned set and verbal logic, and it’s discipline in philosophy in the mid-last century. At least Wolfram is somewhat fitfully demonstrating it in his ‘math of state machines’, and we now know enough about the human brain, as demonstrated by the backward training of neural networks using language instead of evolving them from embodiment. (Didn’t see that one coming myself.)

    I hope this helps.

    Cheers
    Curt Doolittle
    The Natural Law Institute.

    Reply addressees: @Lord__Sousa @aldafa_ir @nntaleb


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-12 23:15:53 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646291075919740929

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646277900524720130

  • So the smart fraction matters most and the rest ‘don’t matter at all’ so to spea

    So the smart fraction matters most and the rest ‘don’t matter at all’ so to speak.
    Ethiopia has 100M people so it WILL produce enough of a cadre of competence for that population.
    Same applies to India. There are only a total of about 700M white people in the entire world vs India’s 1.3B. So even with india’s relatively low average IQ they will produce more people above 130 than whites.
    The best example is japan where the population is 125M which is half of the white population in the states. Yet just the difference between our 101 white people and their 104 Japanese people produces more outliers above 130/140.
    The matter is even greater for china with a slight advantage over japan, but china produces far more engineers in the 115-125 range than either japan or the states.
    In other words, it’s better to look at countries by the population of ‘smart people’ over 125 versus the burden of people under 90. This is why average IQ is a perfect proxy for every single measure from crime to GDP.

    Reply addressees: @GoodTexture


    Source date (UTC): 2023-04-12 19:21:41 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646232134909149184

    Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646227593392259077