Category: Science, Physics, and Philosophy of Science

  • Apparently physics is included in those things that you dont know. Like life con

    Apparently physics is included in those things that you dont know. Like life converting molecules and expending waste heat.


    Source date (UTC): 2016-10-24 08:13:52 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/790466325739077632

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    @curtdoolittle “Acting allows us to obtain the difference between our expenditure and capture of energy.” I can’t even.

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  • DEFINITION: CAUSAL DETERMINISM Determinism in Philosophy vs Causal Determinism i

    DEFINITION: CAUSAL DETERMINISM

    Determinism in Philosophy vs Causal Determinism in Science.

    In philosophy, determinism refers to predestination. It’s an extreme pretension. And philosophical determinism does not survive scrutiny because physical determinism does not survive scrutiny.

    So what we have left once we eliminate philosophical determinism, is scientific determinism. Which we often distinguish using the clarification of ‘causal determinism’

    Scientific determinism says that the universe operates by regular rules that we can discover, and that indeterminism arises out of complexity we cannot possess the information to measure, nor is there regularity to the universe in practical (actionable) terms, below and above certain levels.

    For example, we can describe how gasses expand but we cannot determine where any given molecule will end up. A common example in simple physics is filling a barrel with numbered marbles, and tipping it over. Regardless of the initial position of the marbles, and assuming we do not ‘cheat’ by organizing them in some sort of structure, no matter how precisely we repeat the process of pouring the marbles on the floor, we will never predict the resulting position of an individual marble. Yet we will be able to define patterns of behavior. What we will do is determine the *limits* of our ability to describe where a given marble will end up. Hence our ability to create reasonably, but not quite believable, software simulations of such phenomenon.

    It may be possible that we simply lack measurement tools and information stores and machines capable of measuring such things. But as far as we know at present, the universe is only probabilistic at the lowest level, not deterministic.

    So in science, causal determinism refers to regularity within limits. And we use deterministic as a an adjective. Like ‘fast’: something can be slightly or highly deterministic.

    If the universe was not deterministic we could not conduct science.

    But it is, so we can.

    This does not mean that there is no room for free will. And it does not mean that there are precisely determinable formula for everything.

    It means only that we can define general rules to some degree of precision for all phenomenon. In other words “all general rules must specify a limit”.

    For example, it is logical that raising the minimum wage increases unemployment. On the other hand it has proven incredibly difficult to prove one way or another. Same for the neutrality of money. In both these cases we cannot really state anything more precise than that in any meaningful way.

    But it is this concept of limit – and its accompanying requirement for full accounting – that has been missing from our philosophical, scientific, economic, and political discourse.

    Newtonian physics were not false. We use them every day. They are less precise than Einsteinian physics. And undoubtably, when we discover the theory of everything, it will be more precise than Einsteinian physics. Does that mean that Newtonian physics fails at human scale, or that Einsteinian Physics fails at observable-universe scale? No. Not at all.

    It means that to some degree, all science requires that we discover our current limits, and seek solutions to those beyond them, extending the limits of our perception and understanding.

    Does that mean we will not discover some greater but unfortunately unmeasurable regularity to the subatomic universe with the ‘theory of everything’? Perhaps, and perhaps not. I suspect that the problem of measurement will remain with us forever, and that our ability to ACT to change the course of the universe for our benefit will forever be a matter of energy and cost, not one of understanding.

    And as is expected, if we cannot act upon it, then it is not material for human beings. We are bound by the same rules of the universe as is everything else in it.

    Everything costs.

    Curt Doolittle


    Source date (UTC): 2016-10-21 08:08:00 UTC

  • A lot of phenomenon are deterministic but not probabilistic (the neutrality of m

    A lot of phenomenon are deterministic but not probabilistic (the neutrality of money)


    Source date (UTC): 2016-10-20 16:27:31 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/789141002548310016

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    @curtdoolittle love the distillation only qualm is physical law is probabilistic not deterministic; even second law of thermodynamics

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  • All physical phenomenon can be described dterministically. The problem is whethe

    All physical phenomenon can be described dterministically. The problem is whether or not they can be probabilistically.


    Source date (UTC): 2016-10-20 16:27:07 UTC

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    @curtdoolittle love the distillation only qualm is physical law is probabilistic not deterministic; even second law of thermodynamics

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  • so something demonstrates velocity, but we must say how much. Something demonstr

    so something demonstrates velocity, but we must say how much. Something demonstrates determinism but we must say how much.


    Source date (UTC): 2016-10-20 16:26:32 UTC

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    @curtdoolittle love the distillation only qualm is physical law is probabilistic not deterministic; even second law of thermodynamics

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  • When we say that something is deterministic all we are saying is that it produce

    When we say that something is deterministic all we are saying is that it produces a pattern of regularity – like velocity.


    Source date (UTC): 2016-10-20 16:26:02 UTC

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    @curtdoolittle love the distillation only qualm is physical law is probabilistic not deterministic; even second law of thermodynamics

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  • Cool, um, probabilism is an issue of measurement precision, determinism means on

    Cool, um, probabilism is an issue of measurement precision, determinism means only ‘regular pattern’ not precision.


    Source date (UTC): 2016-10-20 16:24:58 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/789140363332190208

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    @curtdoolittle love the distillation only qualm is physical law is probabilistic not deterministic; even second law of thermodynamics

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  • GOLD (by Jag Bhalla) (from: —“Complexity economist Brian Arthur says science’s

    http://bigthink.com/experts/jag-bhallaPURE GOLD

    (by Jag Bhalla)

    (from: http://bigthink.com/experts/jag-bhalla)

    —“Complexity economist Brian Arthur says science’s pattern-grasping toolbox is becoming “more algorithmic … and less equation-based.” But the nascent algorithmic era hasn’t had its Newton yet.”—

    (curt: exactly. that’s exactly what we’re trying to achieve. The transition from mathematical to algorithmic)

    Nature invented software billions of years before we did. “The origin of life is really the origin of software,” says Gregory Chaitin. Life requires what software does (it’s foundationally algorithmic).

    1. “DNA is multibillion-year-old software,” says Chaitin (inventor of mathematical metabiology). We’re surrounded by software, but couldn’t see it until we had suitable thinking tools.

    2. Alan Turing described modern software in 1936, inspiring John Von Neumann to connect software to biology. Before DNA was understood, Von Neumann saw that self-reproducing automata needed software. We now know DNA stores information; it’s a biochemical version of Turning’s software tape, but more generally: All that lives must process information. Biology’s basic building blocks are processes that make decisions.

    3. Casting life as software provides many technomorphic insights (and mis-analogies), but let’s consider just its informational complexity. Do life’s patterns fit the tools of simpler sciences, like physics? How useful are experiments? Algebra? Statistics?

    4. The logic of life is more complex than the inanimate sciences need. The deep structure of life’s interactions are algorithmic (loosely algorithms = logic with if-then-else controls). Can physics-friendly algebra capture life’s biochemical computations?

    5. Describing its “pernicious influence” on science, Jack Schwartz says, mathematics succeeds in only “the simplest of situations” or when “rare good fortune makes [a] complex situation hinge upon a few dominant simple factors.”

    6. Physics has low “causal density” — a great Jim Manzi coinage. Nothing in physics chooses. Or changes how it chooses. A few simple factors dominate, operating on properties that generally combine in simple ways. Its parameters are independent. Its algebra-friendly patterns generalize well (its equations suit stable categories and equilibrium states).

    7. Higher-causal-density domains mean harder experiments (many hard-to-control factors that often can’t be varied independently). Fields like medicine can partly counter their complexity by randomized trials, but reliable generalization requires biological “uniformity of response.”

    8. Social sciences have even higher causal densities, so “generalizing from even properly randomized experiments” is “hazardous,” Manzi says. “Omitted variable bias” in human systems is “massive.” Randomization ≠ representativeness of results is guaranteed.

    9. Complexity economist Brian Arthur says science’s pattern-grasping toolbox is becoming “more algorithmic … and less equation-based.” But the nascent algorithmic era hasn’t had its Newton yet.

    10. With studies in high-causal-density fields, always consider how representative data is, and ponder if uniform or stable responses are plausible. Human systems are often highly variable; our behaviors aren’t homogenous; they can change types; they’re often not in equilibrium.

    11. Bad examples: Malcolm Gladwell puts entertainment first (again) by asserting that “the easiest way to raise people’s scores” is to make a test less readable (n = 40 study, later debunked). Also succumbing to unwarranted extrapolation, leading data-explainer Ezra Klein said, “Cutting-edge research shows that the more information partisans get, the deeper their disagreements.” That study neither represents all kinds of information, nor is a uniform response likely (in fact, assuming that would be ridiculous). Such rash generalizations = far from spotless record.

    Mismatched causal density and thinking tools creates errors. Entire fields are built on assuming such (mismatched) metaphors and methods.

    Related: olicausal sciences; Newton pattern vs. Darwin pattern; the two kinds of data (history ≠ nomothetic); life = game theoretic = fundamentally algorithmic.

    (Hat tip to Bryan Atkins @postgenetic for pointer to Brian Arthur).


    Source date (UTC): 2016-10-20 12:34:00 UTC

  • DEFINITIONS: DETERMINISM VS PROBABILITY Probabilism is an issue of measurement p

    DEFINITIONS: DETERMINISM VS PROBABILITY

    Probabilism is an issue of measurement precision, determinism means only ‘regular pattern’ not precision.

    When we say that something is deterministic all we are saying is that it produces a pattern of regularity – like velocity.

    So something demonstrates velocity, but we must say how much. Something demonstrates determinism but we must say how much.

    All physical phenomenon can be described deterministically. The problem is whether or not they can be probabilistically.

    A lot of phenomenon are deterministic – but not probabilistic (the neutrality of money for example)


    Source date (UTC): 2016-10-20 12:29:00 UTC

  • “In learning about the universe, ourselves, and our place in it, we can improve

    —“In learning about the universe, ourselves, and our place in it, we can improve our understanding of all three levels, with each improvement of our understanding of a specific level and then refactoring our understanding of the other three levels in light of that new understanding. Conversely, a bottleneck in a specific level throttles our progress in all.” — Moritz Bierling

    ( This is the purpose of philosophy: refactoring in response to new understanding – Curt )


    Source date (UTC): 2016-10-10 14:51:00 UTC