(the demand for national mythos) Um. when the atheists attack mythology – abrahamic or otherwise – they do not specify the means of graceful failure of decidability that mythos provide. That’s why one needs a founding mythos. Because there must exists some means of decision making in the absence of knowledge. Hence why I argue for Self Authoring in the Virtues, and for the western historical ‘mythology’ of transcendence (progress into godhood). But what do we teach as decidability? One needs an aspiration or it is impossible to construct a complete set of decidability. (really. It is. Sorry). However, with that aspiration, the law is enough. The law brings us transcendence into gods, and into mystery of the universe. The law is enough because it will produce transcendence. transcendence likewise will produce the law. So whether bottom up or top down we produce the combination of the law, ascendence, transcendence. The Natural Law. The White Law. Reciprocity, and a canon of precompiled arguments for nearly every category of human decision making.
Category: Religion, Myth, and Theology
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The Coming Civil War
THE GREEK CIVIL RESPONSIBILITY NOT PERSONAL RELIGION
In his book on the subject, Did the Greeks Believe Their Myths?, Paul Veyne writes: —“Myth is truthful, but figuratively so. It is not historical truth mixed with lies; it is a high philosophical teaching that is entirely true, on the condition that, instead of taking it literally, one sees in it an allegory.”— -
Abrahamism: –“What’s Pilpul?”–
–“What’s Pilpul?”–
Sophism: ‘readings'(tea leaves, entrails, anything), numerology, astrology, scriptural interpretation, textual interpretation, legal interpretation – the art of making excuses to justify a prior, using loading, framing, suggestion obscurantism, overloading, fictionalism, and deceit. Abrahamism: consists of False Promise, Pilpul (positive), Critique (negative), straw manning, and heaping of undue praise, to force you to appeal to your intuition rather than reason and evidence. November 7th, 2018 2:17 PM
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Abrahamism: –“What’s Pilpul?”–
–“What’s Pilpul?”–
Sophism: ‘readings'(tea leaves, entrails, anything), numerology, astrology, scriptural interpretation, textual interpretation, legal interpretation – the art of making excuses to justify a prior, using loading, framing, suggestion obscurantism, overloading, fictionalism, and deceit. Abrahamism: consists of False Promise, Pilpul (positive), Critique (negative), straw manning, and heaping of undue praise, to force you to appeal to your intuition rather than reason and evidence. November 7th, 2018 2:17 PM
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“What’s Pilpul?”– Sophism: numerology, astrology, scriptural interpretation, te
–“What’s Pilpul?”–
Sophism: numerology, astrology, scriptural interpretation, textual interpretation, legal interpretation – the art of making excuses to justify a prior, using loading, framing, suggestion obscurantism, overloading, fictionalism, and deceit.
Abrahamism consists of False Promise, Pilpul (positive), Critique (negative), straw manning, and heaping of undue praise, to force you to appeal to your intuition rather than reason and evidence.
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-07 14:17:00 UTC
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Parents follow rituals for the sake of their children. Statesmen follow religion
Parents follow rituals for the sake of their children. Statesmen follow religions for the sake of their working and underclasses. This ‘sacrifice’ on behalf of those less able in exchange for signals (status) preserves reciprocity (respect for one another).
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-06 18:46:04 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1059879607233585157
Reply addressees: @jollyswagmenpod @nntaleb
Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1009740843010351104
IN REPLY TO:
@joewalkerpod
@nntaleb Does that mean you also believe religion’s ontological claims while participating in its rituals/heuristics? Can the two be separated?
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1009740843010351104
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RT @nntaleb: Christianity is not *only* 2000 y old. It is a mutation of >4K y of
RT @nntaleb: Christianity is not *only* 2000 y old. It is a mutation of >4K y of Mediterranean-Anatolian creeds, mysteries, and mythologies…
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-06 18:43:34 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1059878977995710466
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RT @nntaleb: 1) Religious statements are not epistemic (scientific, literal) cla
RT @nntaleb: 1) Religious statements are not epistemic (scientific, literal) claims, but risk-survival heuristics under incomplete understa…
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-06 18:32:49 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1059876272409640960
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DEEP MEANING —“Eating the fruit of the tree of “good and evil”, a dichotomy, r
DEEP MEANING
—“Eating the fruit of the tree of “good and evil”, a dichotomy, resulted in the fall of man… Perhaps the fall of man isn’t so much due to acquisition of knowledge but rather shifting the foundation of knowledge from spectra to dichotomy.”— Bill Joslin
“WOTAN IS TO HELP THE MATURING MAN ABOUT IDENTIFYING THE DETAILS AND NUANCE WITHIN THE MYRIAD OF DEGREES FOUND WITHIN THE SPECTRUM BETWEEN THOSE LIMITS.”
—“One of the beauties of operational thought is to exhume oneself from arguments of dichotomies to identifying spectra (the range of possibilities within limits).
Eating the fruit of the tree of “good and evil”, a dichotomy, resulted in the fall of man… Perhaps the fall of man isn’t so much due to acquisition of knowledge but rather shifting the foundation of knowledge from spectra to dichotomy.
There isn’t a good Wotan and an evil Wotan – there is only Wotan whose range of action and experience occurs within a spectra…. Like the rest of us – able to be ultimate asses and wise old silver backs with in one life, body and personality….
And that’s kind of the point. Dichotomies of perfectly good and perfectly bad are only useful to teach children about the tails of a spectrum… To distinguish the tails.
Wotan is to help the maturing man about identifying the details and nuance within the myriad of degrees found within those limits.” —- Bill Joslin
(from the “stuff I wish I’d said” department)
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-06 17:37:00 UTC
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NATURAL RELIGION: THE AESIR-VANIR WAR by @[100016659043273:2048:Daniel Gurpide]
NATURAL RELIGION: THE AESIR-VANIR WAR
by @[100016659043273:2048:Daniel Gurpide]
(must read, core concepts)
Man’s taming of the living world occurred in parallel to the taming of the mass—by the elite. This historical phase—initiated with the Neolithic Revolution and concluding today with the passage into the so-called ‘Biopolitical Revolution’—is extremely important. It is not difficult to recognise in it what was called by Karl Marx ‘the end of primitive communist society,’ by Sigmund Freud ‘the killing of the primal father,’ and by Claude Lévi-Strauss ‘the separation between Nature and Culture.’
Significant testimony to this period has been preserved in Indo-European mythology, thanks to the story of the formation of the society of the gods—as related, for example, through the Aesir-Vanir War.
The Aesir and the Vanir represent two different ways of life. During the founding war—which set at odds, in symbolic form, the lifestyles of the great hunters and the farmers that emerged out of the Neolithic era—Odin-Wotan, as the pre-eminent god of magic, ‘domesticated’ the Vanir with his magic and assigned to them an harmonious position in the organic tri-functional society, where the ‘domestication of nature’ was completed. This myth signifies the transition from a generic instinctive human subject to a specific conscious human subject who exercises magic power over other men, thereby engendering the conditions for social stratification that are the distinguishing feature of every post-Neolithic society.
Society is now organised into two castes, two social groups. One, which is the dominant class, assumes sovereign and warrior functions; the other assumes the economic function. This structure is reflected in the society of gods, whose genesis the myth, in its own way, reveals. The new society is constituted by the superimposition and domination of ‘magic’ above religious man, of predator above producer. The myth of the Aesir and the Vanir, like that of the Romans and the Sabines, highlights the respective characters of both social groups or families of gods. The former—‘preying’ gods who continue the activities of the First Man as self-domesticating man—assert themselves by virtue of the binding magic of their chief, Odin/Wotan; the latter, ‘producing’ gods, carry on the activities of the First Man as ‘self-domesticated’ man. They must and do submit to the former, despite the power deriving from their ‘wealth’ (symbolised by Gullweig’s gold).
This social-divine dichotomy derives from a particular world perception that may be found again, remarkably, in the structure of the Indo-European languages, with the sharp separation between subject and object. ‘Man-subject,’ who continues to exercise ‘magic’ on himself (self-control), begins to exercise it now on the other type: ‘man-object.’ The domesticating ‘magic’ is exercised on man-object from without—and the canons are fixed by other-than-him. Liberated by this ‘religious’ bond from the need to domesticate man in himself, he can now dedicate himself fully to ‘domesticating’ nature: that is, to the production of goods.
The coexistence of these two social types in a harmonious society takes place by synoecism—contractual arrangement—following a ‘war of foundation.’ The sovereign god among Indo-Europeans is always both a terrible god—exercising a ‘magic’ constriction—and a beneficent guarantor of ‘contracts.’ From the Indo-European origins there was always a clear conception of this social contract, which found its most accomplished expression among the Romans.
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-06 17:18:00 UTC