THE GREEK UNDERSTANDING OF GODS
—“Homer and Hesiod have attributed to the gods
all sorts of things which are matters of reproach and censure among men: theft, adultery and mutual deceit.
But if horses or oxen or lions had hands or could draw with their hands and accomplish such works as men,
horses would draw the figures of the gods as similar to horses, and the oxen as similar to oxen,
and they would make the bodies
of the sort which each of them had. (frag. 15)”—Xenophanes
Category: Religion, Myth, and Theology
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
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Curt Doolittle updated his status.
THE GODS GAVE US FIRE, BUT WE MAD OURSELVES GODS WITH METAL. As far as I know (and I may be wrong) gods gave us fire via Prometheus, but man invented metal. And while Hephaestus is a god of Smiths (and I am not sure how many civilizations have such a thing other than Thor and Hephaestus) the gods did not give man metal. We made our solves gods by discovering it, and bending it to our will. đ
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Abrahamism: –“What’s Pilpul?”–
–“What’s Pilpul?”–
Sophism: ‘readings'(tea leaves, entrails, anything), numerology, astrology, scriptural interpretation, textual interpretation, legal interpretation – the art of making excuses to justify a prior, using loading, framing, suggestion obscurantism, overloading, fictionalism, and deceit. Abrahamism: consists of False Promise, Pilpul (positive), Critique (negative), straw manning, and heaping of undue praise, to force you to appeal to your intuition rather than reason and evidence. November 7th, 2018 2:17 PM
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Abrahamism: –“What’s Pilpul?”–
–“What’s Pilpul?”–
Sophism: ‘readings'(tea leaves, entrails, anything), numerology, astrology, scriptural interpretation, textual interpretation, legal interpretation – the art of making excuses to justify a prior, using loading, framing, suggestion obscurantism, overloading, fictionalism, and deceit. Abrahamism: consists of False Promise, Pilpul (positive), Critique (negative), straw manning, and heaping of undue praise, to force you to appeal to your intuition rather than reason and evidence. November 7th, 2018 2:17 PM
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“What’s Pilpul?”– Sophism: numerology, astrology, scriptural interpretation, te
–“What’s Pilpul?”–
Sophism: numerology, astrology, scriptural interpretation, textual interpretation, legal interpretation – the art of making excuses to justify a prior, using loading, framing, suggestion obscurantism, overloading, fictionalism, and deceit.
Abrahamism consists of False Promise, Pilpul (positive), Critique (negative), straw manning, and heaping of undue praise, to force you to appeal to your intuition rather than reason and evidence.
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-07 14:17:00 UTC
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Parents follow rituals for the sake of their children. Statesmen follow religion
Parents follow rituals for the sake of their children. Statesmen follow religions for the sake of their working and underclasses. This ‘sacrifice’ on behalf of those less able in exchange for signals (status) preserves reciprocity (respect for one another).
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-06 18:46:04 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1059879607233585157
Reply addressees: @jollyswagmenpod @nntaleb
Replying to: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1009740843010351104
IN REPLY TO:
@joewalkerpod
@nntaleb Does that mean you also believe religionâs ontological claims while participating in its rituals/heuristics? Can the two be separated?
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1009740843010351104
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RT @nntaleb: Christianity is not *only* 2000 y old. It is a mutation of >4K y of
RT @nntaleb: Christianity is not *only* 2000 y old. It is a mutation of >4K y of Mediterranean-Anatolian creeds, mysteries, and mythologiesâŠ
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-06 18:43:34 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1059878977995710466
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RT @nntaleb: 1) Religious statements are not epistemic (scientific, literal) cla
RT @nntaleb: 1) Religious statements are not epistemic (scientific, literal) claims, but risk-survival heuristics under incomplete understaâŠ
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-06 18:32:49 UTC
Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1059876272409640960
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DEEP MEANING —“Eating the fruit of the tree of “good and evil”, a dichotomy, r
DEEP MEANING
—“Eating the fruit of the tree of “good and evil”, a dichotomy, resulted in the fall of man… Perhaps the fall of man isn’t so much due to acquisition of knowledge but rather shifting the foundation of knowledge from spectra to dichotomy.”— Bill Joslin
“WOTAN IS TO HELP THE MATURING MAN ABOUT IDENTIFYING THE DETAILS AND NUANCE WITHIN THE MYRIAD OF DEGREES FOUND WITHIN THE SPECTRUM BETWEEN THOSE LIMITS.”
—“One of the beauties of operational thought is to exhume oneself from arguments of dichotomies to identifying spectra (the range of possibilities within limits).
Eating the fruit of the tree of “good and evil”, a dichotomy, resulted in the fall of man… Perhaps the fall of man isn’t so much due to acquisition of knowledge but rather shifting the foundation of knowledge from spectra to dichotomy.
There isn’t a good Wotan and an evil Wotan – there is only Wotan whose range of action and experience occurs within a spectra…. Like the rest of us – able to be ultimate asses and wise old silver backs with in one life, body and personality….
And that’s kind of the point. Dichotomies of perfectly good and perfectly bad are only useful to teach children about the tails of a spectrum… To distinguish the tails.
Wotan is to help the maturing man about identifying the details and nuance within the myriad of degrees found within those limits.” —- Bill Joslin
(from the “stuff I wish I’d said” department)
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-06 17:37:00 UTC
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NATURAL RELIGION: THE AESIR-VANIR WAR by @[100016659043273:2048:Daniel Gurpide]
NATURAL RELIGION: THE AESIR-VANIR WAR
by @[100016659043273:2048:Daniel Gurpide]
(must read, core concepts)
Manâs taming of the living world occurred in parallel to the taming of the massâby the elite. This historical phaseâinitiated with the Neolithic Revolution and concluding today with the passage into the so-called âBiopolitical Revolutionââis extremely important. It is not difficult to recognise in it what was called by Karl Marx âthe end of primitive communist society,â by Sigmund Freud âthe killing of the primal father,â and by Claude LĂ©vi-Strauss âthe separation between Nature and Culture.â
Significant testimony to this period has been preserved in Indo-European mythology, thanks to the story of the formation of the society of the godsâas related, for example, through the Aesir-Vanir War.
The Aesir and the Vanir represent two different ways of life. During the founding warâwhich set at odds, in symbolic form, the lifestyles of the great hunters and the farmers that emerged out of the Neolithic eraâOdin-Wotan, as the pre-eminent god of magic, âdomesticatedâ the Vanir with his magic and assigned to them an harmonious position in the organic tri-functional society, where the âdomestication of natureâ was completed. This myth signifies the transition from a generic instinctive human subject to a specific conscious human subject who exercises magic power over other men, thereby engendering the conditions for social stratification that are the distinguishing feature of every post-Neolithic society.
Society is now organised into two castes, two social groups. One, which is the dominant class, assumes sovereign and warrior functions; the other assumes the economic function. This structure is reflected in the society of gods, whose genesis the myth, in its own way, reveals. The new society is constituted by the superimposition and domination of âmagicâ above religious man, of predator above producer. The myth of the Aesir and the Vanir, like that of the Romans and the Sabines, highlights the respective characters of both social groups or families of gods. The formerââpreyingâ gods who continue the activities of the First Man as self-domesticating manâassert themselves by virtue of the binding magic of their chief, Odin/Wotan; the latter, âproducingâ gods, carry on the activities of the First Man as âself-domesticatedâ man. They must and do submit to the former, despite the power deriving from their âwealthâ (symbolised by Gullweigâs gold).
This social-divine dichotomy derives from a particular world perception that may be found again, remarkably, in the structure of the Indo-European languages, with the sharp separation between subject and object. âMan-subject,â who continues to exercise âmagicâ on himself (self-control), begins to exercise it now on the other type: âman-object.â The domesticating âmagicâ is exercised on man-object from withoutâand the canons are fixed by other-than-him. Liberated by this âreligiousâ bond from the need to domesticate man in himself, he can now dedicate himself fully to âdomesticatingâ nature: that is, to the production of goods.
The coexistence of these two social types in a harmonious society takes place by synoecismâcontractual arrangementâfollowing a âwar of foundation.â The sovereign god among Indo-Europeans is always both a terrible godâexercising a âmagicâ constrictionâand a beneficent guarantor of âcontracts.â From the Indo-European origins there was always a clear conception of this social contract, which found its most accomplished expression among the Romans.
Source date (UTC): 2018-11-06 17:18:00 UTC