Category: Religion, Myth, and Theology

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    (FB 1544288676 Timestamp) CAN WE ELIMINATE RELIGION? NOT REALLY, BUT THAT REQUIRES WE DEFINE RELIGION AS MARKET DEMANDS RATHER THAN THE CURRENT MEANS OF PRODUCTION. —“However unrealistic of a goal it might be, wouldn’t the ideal situation be a world without organised religion? Or is there some benefit to religion that I’m not seeing?”—Dann Hopkins Religion is just education. that’s all. Period. The ‘trick’ of both church and state is to claim church does no education, or that state education is sufficient. We need training in physical fitness, mindfulness, manners-ethics-morals-rituals (payments to the commons), the laws, the means of calculating that we think of as the 3R’s, the skills to run a household, and the skills for employment. It does not, as it once did, provide for physical fitness. It provides mindfulness in the personal, interpersonal, and public spheres of life. It provides the some of the manners, ethics, morals rituals that are the positive laws of the social order (not negative laws as is law proper). It provides a venue for public contract making (this is my child, this is my promise to the community, this is my mate, this is our property, this person has died and his or her property may be distributed). It is, to some degree, a computational necessity – meaning that it is very bad not to have that mindfulness. It provides child-level parables and myths which are no less a form of calculation about action in the world than are laws, logic, and mathematics. But there is no reason we cannot have lessons, parables and mythos and histories for each class of people at each stage of their lives, all of which contain the same messages. There is no reason the church rather than the school, post office, or library is not still the center of civic life, and that government is not relegated to the production and maintenance of material commons, just as we keep commerce out of religion. So I think I have most of this figured out – not that I am interested in the content in and of itself, but that I understand how to frame the problem, and restore the incentives, such that the second abrahamic dark age does not capture our people.

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    (FB 1544287916 Timestamp) IT DEPENDS UPON HOW YOU DEFINE CHRISTIANITY —“I’m confused about something. If you don’t think biblical Christianity is actually true, e.g.you think it is based on elaborate deception, then how is it allowable? How is it beneficial? I believe you’ve made a point of calling out intentional deception as unallowable in society. What reason is there to assume that you can take away non-deceptive parts and dump the rest, and still have a workable system? My impression is that the Jefferson Bible is in no sense Christianity. (my apologies if this is already addressed in the video or elsewhere; I haven’t watched yet)”— Matt Evans Well, that depends upon what you call ‘christianity’ and whether you think it’s good. Christianity can be the scientific content, and the consequences of that scientific content, which while very limited we can demonstrate are in fact good. Or whether you think Christianity is all the nonsense that is wrapped around it (lies). As a scientist I have to acknowledge that the optimum game theory humans can play is the christian command for love of others. I can’t escape that. As a scientist I have to acknowledge that everything else about christianity is catastrophically bad, even if not as evil as judaism or islam. Now, once we distill christianity down to those few rules (rules of optimum prisoner’s dilemma), the question is whether it is still ‘christianity’ in any meaningful way. I would argue that it is still christianity, because religions constitute our means of intuitionistically training members of the polity, nation, and civilization, to pursue the same strategy – hopefully one in their interest – that allows different groups to cooperate at large scale. I think (well I’m certain) that the short list of rules in christianity are optimums. But I do not think the jesus story is good. I am certain the god story is bad. And I think as do many that the christian god is a semitic tyrant over the semitic slaves – and completely against the interests of our people – which is why our people have incrementally escaped christianity, turned it to our own, while the jews and muslims have only become more obsessed with theirs. So, in attempting to solve the problem of the future, how can we provide the same psychological, social, and political functions as did christianity, and suppress, defeat, or eliminate competitors to those rules – competitors that would return us to the semitic darkness that we have saved ourselves from. Now, we have tools of: Naturalism(reality) < Logic and Mathematics (Measurement) < Science(Due DIligence, Naturalism) < Law+Economics(Decidability) < History (Evidence) < Literature (Analogy, Pedagogy, Theorizing), Philosophy (Removing Science), and Theology(Removing Reason) to work with. And I can find no reason to gracefully fail across the spectrum of Measurements, Due Diligence, Decidability < Evidence < Pedagogy, if we supply mindfulness (what we consider spirituality) through equally scientific means (training). And if we have to teach people SOMETHING, why teach them a falsehood when we can teach the same content truthfully (scientifically)? And the only answer is to preserve the psychological malinvestment of preceding generations at the expense of all past and future generations. I think moral education – and a uniform one – is necessary, just as is fitness, daily survival knowledge, calculation ability, and job skills. I think personal, interpersonal, and civic mindfulness is a natural demand of conscious creatures. I think the civic ritual of church: the oath, the historical lessons, and the balance between the heroic tragic warrior and the loving tragic saint (jesus) are important. One can look at the great religions and traditions and observe relatively easily how each tries to, and succeeds in, providing those goods in satisfaction of those demands. It is very difficult to look at judaism, and islam and say that they are other than a destructive force in the world compared to the other religions and traditions – particularly the hindu, chinese and japanese traditions. When we look at christianity it was designed as and used as a destructive force in the world. And the three abrahamic religions are responsible for more evil than all but the great plagues. Our ancestors succeeded in germanizing christianity by keeping it’s good parts and eliminating its bad parts. I see my function, and our function as the living generation encountering this remaining problem, as continuing to modernize that “sick, twisted, desert anti-civilizational blood cult’, into an institution like the catholic church once provided as a competitor to the state, and restoring its role in education, but to deprive it of semitic deceits, and use our own far superior history. I might fail, but it is my job to remove as much lying from our civilization in order to defend our high-trust people against further decline. And if that means the church must further reform then that’s what it means. The alternative is not restoration, but that the church, within a generation or so, will die off. Numbers are numbers. The church doesn’t have any. IF we are to have a church so to speak, and a civic religion that is more than just legalism, that includes the personal mindfulness, socialization and festival that legalism doesn’t provide – making us all invested in one another – then we need a church that provides future benefits to people not past. And while I haven’t discussed much of this in public yet, I think I know at least MOST of the answer. We never ceased being polytheistic. Ever. Just as we are poly grammatical (Frames, Paradigms). Many heroes are always better than one, as long as they are compatible. We are too different in our abilities, social roles, occupations and responsibilities. There is a basis upon which the heroic family in all her grammars and stories, rests, and that is Individual Sovereignty, the natural law of reciprocity, truth and duty and, yes, charity. And it is christian charity: exhaustive optimism and investment in others – rather than donations or mental fantasies that forms that basis.

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    (FB 1544287916 Timestamp) IT DEPENDS UPON HOW YOU DEFINE CHRISTIANITY —“I’m confused about something. If you don’t think biblical Christianity is actually true, e.g.you think it is based on elaborate deception, then how is it allowable? How is it beneficial? I believe you’ve made a point of calling out intentional deception as unallowable in society. What reason is there to assume that you can take away non-deceptive parts and dump the rest, and still have a workable system? My impression is that the Jefferson Bible is in no sense Christianity. (my apologies if this is already addressed in the video or elsewhere; I haven’t watched yet)”— Matt Evans Well, that depends upon what you call ‘christianity’ and whether you think it’s good. Christianity can be the scientific content, and the consequences of that scientific content, which while very limited we can demonstrate are in fact good. Or whether you think Christianity is all the nonsense that is wrapped around it (lies). As a scientist I have to acknowledge that the optimum game theory humans can play is the christian command for love of others. I can’t escape that. As a scientist I have to acknowledge that everything else about christianity is catastrophically bad, even if not as evil as judaism or islam. Now, once we distill christianity down to those few rules (rules of optimum prisoner’s dilemma), the question is whether it is still ‘christianity’ in any meaningful way. I would argue that it is still christianity, because religions constitute our means of intuitionistically training members of the polity, nation, and civilization, to pursue the same strategy – hopefully one in their interest – that allows different groups to cooperate at large scale. I think (well I’m certain) that the short list of rules in christianity are optimums. But I do not think the jesus story is good. I am certain the god story is bad. And I think as do many that the christian god is a semitic tyrant over the semitic slaves – and completely against the interests of our people – which is why our people have incrementally escaped christianity, turned it to our own, while the jews and muslims have only become more obsessed with theirs. So, in attempting to solve the problem of the future, how can we provide the same psychological, social, and political functions as did christianity, and suppress, defeat, or eliminate competitors to those rules – competitors that would return us to the semitic darkness that we have saved ourselves from. Now, we have tools of: Naturalism(reality) < Logic and Mathematics (Measurement) < Science(Due DIligence, Naturalism) < Law+Economics(Decidability) < History (Evidence) < Literature (Analogy, Pedagogy, Theorizing), Philosophy (Removing Science), and Theology(Removing Reason) to work with. And I can find no reason to gracefully fail across the spectrum of Measurements, Due Diligence, Decidability < Evidence < Pedagogy, if we supply mindfulness (what we consider spirituality) through equally scientific means (training). And if we have to teach people SOMETHING, why teach them a falsehood when we can teach the same content truthfully (scientifically)? And the only answer is to preserve the psychological malinvestment of preceding generations at the expense of all past and future generations. I think moral education – and a uniform one – is necessary, just as is fitness, daily survival knowledge, calculation ability, and job skills. I think personal, interpersonal, and civic mindfulness is a natural demand of conscious creatures. I think the civic ritual of church: the oath, the historical lessons, and the balance between the heroic tragic warrior and the loving tragic saint (jesus) are important. One can look at the great religions and traditions and observe relatively easily how each tries to, and succeeds in, providing those goods in satisfaction of those demands. It is very difficult to look at judaism, and islam and say that they are other than a destructive force in the world compared to the other religions and traditions – particularly the hindu, chinese and japanese traditions. When we look at christianity it was designed as and used as a destructive force in the world. And the three abrahamic religions are responsible for more evil than all but the great plagues. Our ancestors succeeded in germanizing christianity by keeping it’s good parts and eliminating its bad parts. I see my function, and our function as the living generation encountering this remaining problem, as continuing to modernize that “sick, twisted, desert anti-civilizational blood cult’, into an institution like the catholic church once provided as a competitor to the state, and restoring its role in education, but to deprive it of semitic deceits, and use our own far superior history. I might fail, but it is my job to remove as much lying from our civilization in order to defend our high-trust people against further decline. And if that means the church must further reform then that’s what it means. The alternative is not restoration, but that the church, within a generation or so, will die off. Numbers are numbers. The church doesn’t have any. IF we are to have a church so to speak, and a civic religion that is more than just legalism, that includes the personal mindfulness, socialization and festival that legalism doesn’t provide – making us all invested in one another – then we need a church that provides future benefits to people not past. And while I haven’t discussed much of this in public yet, I think I know at least MOST of the answer. We never ceased being polytheistic. Ever. Just as we are poly grammatical (Frames, Paradigms). Many heroes are always better than one, as long as they are compatible. We are too different in our abilities, social roles, occupations and responsibilities. There is a basis upon which the heroic family in all her grammars and stories, rests, and that is Individual Sovereignty, the natural law of reciprocity, truth and duty and, yes, charity. And it is christian charity: exhaustive optimism and investment in others – rather than donations or mental fantasies that forms that basis.

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    (FB 1544286004 Timestamp) THE HOLE IN CHRISTIANITY IS OPENNESS TO NON-KIN – THE SOLUTION, LEGISLATION AGAINST INCOMPATIBLE RELIGIONS by Jennifer Dean The problem with Christianity as I see it is not tolerance – Christians are PLENTY intolerant (in some ways I agree with and others I do not) – the problem is that Christians have an inability to recognize many of the things they are intolerant to, when it comes to outsiders or foreigners, and instead mostly prefer to enforce intolerance on their own kind. Look at the Amish to see the most exaggerated example of what I mean, they use shunning and excommunication over the most petty things you could imagine. Rule enforcement for the sake of sheer submission. And while their ability to preserve their way of life is admirable in some ways, obviously it is only possible within a larger context of free riding, and their way of life is all or nothing. T hey might seem to be an extreme or unusual example of Christianity, but the same elements of submission and intolerance are present in other denominations, only the others have allowed outsiders to infiltrate and subvert their doctrine. I believe legislating Christianity, in this country, would have been a disaster. The fundamental problem is that it is still welcoming of outsiders and converts (civnat at the religious level and indeed, where civnat comes from) for the sake of winning souls to Christ, and THAT is the loophole that outsiders have exploited. The better strategy would have been to have legislation AGAINST Judaism, Talmudism, Babylonian mysticism, Satanism, Luciferianism (as we already do have some legislation against Islam, but unfortunately we needed more and what we have has not been enforced) and to educate people on the dangers of these religious ideologies, and their hidden, very real and very very sick practices of human sacrifice (of INNOCENTS – not murderers, criminals, undesirables, but BABIES. CHILDREN.), pedophilia and child marriage. But the problem is due to the convert loophole in Christianity, they simply come in anyway and hide in our midst, and kidnap our children and traffic them. (CD: well done)

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    (FB 1544286004 Timestamp) THE HOLE IN CHRISTIANITY IS OPENNESS TO NON-KIN – THE SOLUTION, LEGISLATION AGAINST INCOMPATIBLE RELIGIONS by Jennifer Dean The problem with Christianity as I see it is not tolerance – Christians are PLENTY intolerant (in some ways I agree with and others I do not) – the problem is that Christians have an inability to recognize many of the things they are intolerant to, when it comes to outsiders or foreigners, and instead mostly prefer to enforce intolerance on their own kind. Look at the Amish to see the most exaggerated example of what I mean, they use shunning and excommunication over the most petty things you could imagine. Rule enforcement for the sake of sheer submission. And while their ability to preserve their way of life is admirable in some ways, obviously it is only possible within a larger context of free riding, and their way of life is all or nothing. T hey might seem to be an extreme or unusual example of Christianity, but the same elements of submission and intolerance are present in other denominations, only the others have allowed outsiders to infiltrate and subvert their doctrine. I believe legislating Christianity, in this country, would have been a disaster. The fundamental problem is that it is still welcoming of outsiders and converts (civnat at the religious level and indeed, where civnat comes from) for the sake of winning souls to Christ, and THAT is the loophole that outsiders have exploited. The better strategy would have been to have legislation AGAINST Judaism, Talmudism, Babylonian mysticism, Satanism, Luciferianism (as we already do have some legislation against Islam, but unfortunately we needed more and what we have has not been enforced) and to educate people on the dangers of these religious ideologies, and their hidden, very real and very very sick practices of human sacrifice (of INNOCENTS – not murderers, criminals, undesirables, but BABIES. CHILDREN.), pedophilia and child marriage. But the problem is due to the convert loophole in Christianity, they simply come in anyway and hide in our midst, and kidnap our children and traffic them. (CD: well done)

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    (FB 1544283381 Timestamp) THERE IS NO APOLOGY THAT STANDS SCRUTINY I just don’t use the christian (semitic) model of thought at all. zero. I use the western (european) model of thought: Literature, History, War, Economics, Law, Science, Logic, and Mathematics. (LHWELSLM). I can’t read apologist literature. It’s all Abrahamism. It’s no different from marxism, postmodernism, and feminism, and was and always will be, something forced upon us, that which we struggled to escape, that which we nearly escaped, and that which we are still trying to escape. I do science. I don’t really do philosophy except to undrestand it’s failures. I don’t do theology except to understand its failure. There is no apology for sophism and supernaturalism or pseudoscience that stands scrutiny.

  • Curt Doolittle updated his status.

    (FB 1544283381 Timestamp) THERE IS NO APOLOGY THAT STANDS SCRUTINY I just don’t use the christian (semitic) model of thought at all. zero. I use the western (european) model of thought: Literature, History, War, Economics, Law, Science, Logic, and Mathematics. (LHWELSLM). I can’t read apologist literature. It’s all Abrahamism. It’s no different from marxism, postmodernism, and feminism, and was and always will be, something forced upon us, that which we struggled to escape, that which we nearly escaped, and that which we are still trying to escape. I do science. I don’t really do philosophy except to undrestand it’s failures. I don’t do theology except to understand its failure. There is no apology for sophism and supernaturalism or pseudoscience that stands scrutiny.

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    (FB 1544393014 Timestamp) THE GERMANIZATION OF CHRISTIANITY The Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity: A Sociohistorical Approach to Religious Transformation —“While historians of Christianity have generally acknowledged some degree of Germanic influence in the development of early medieval Christianity, Russell goes further, arguing for a fundamental Germanic reinterpretation of Christianity. This first full-scale treatment of the subject follows a truly interdisciplinary approach, applying to the early medieval period a sociohistorical method similar to that which has already proven fruitful in explicating the history of Early Christianity and Late Antiquity. The encounter of the Germanic peoples with Christianity is studied from within the larger context of the encounter of a predominantly “world-accepting” Indo-European folk-religiosity with predominantly “world-rejecting” religious movements. While the first part of the book develops a general model of religious transformation for such encounters, the second part applies this model to the Germano-Christian scenario. Russell shows how a Christian missionary policy of temporary accommodation inadvertently contributed to a reciprocal Germanization of Christianity.”— https://www.amazon.com/Germanization-Early-Medieval-Christianity-Sociohistorical/dp/0195104668/

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    (FB 1544392586 Timestamp) WHAT MEANEST THOU? 😉 —I need no faith. I need only the necessity of action. Faith is for those so poor in assets, character,agency,and will that they seek excuses for action, inaction, success and failure. That cowardice is for The Herd. Men satisfy the need for action & consequence and learn from it.— Deflation: Decidability > Confidence > Trust > Belief > Faith

    • belief: Meaning “conviction of the truth of a proposition or alleged fact without knowledge” is by 1530s; it is also “sometimes used to include the absolute conviction or certainty which accompanies knowledge”
    • faith: From early 14c. as “assent of the mind to the truth of a statement for which there is incomplete evidence,” especially “belief in religious matters” (matched with hope and charity). Since mid-14c. in reference to the Christian church or religion; from late 14c. in reference to any religious persuasion.

    • trust: from Old Norse traust “help, confidence, protection, support,” from Proto-Germanic abstract noun *traustam (source also of Old Frisian trast, Dutch troost “comfort, consolation,” Old High German trost “trust, fidelity,” German Trost “comfort, co…See More

    • confidence: From mid-15c. as “reliance on one’s own powers, resources, or circumstances, self-assurance.” Meaning “certainty of a proposition or assertion, sureness with regard to a fact” is from 1550s.

    Deconflation into series allows us to see the insane precision ofthe huge vocabulary in the english language Decidability > Confidence(self) > Trust(other) > Belief(possibility) > Faith(religion-higher power, beyond ken)

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    (FB 1544393014 Timestamp) THE GERMANIZATION OF CHRISTIANITY The Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity: A Sociohistorical Approach to Religious Transformation —“While historians of Christianity have generally acknowledged some degree of Germanic influence in the development of early medieval Christianity, Russell goes further, arguing for a fundamental Germanic reinterpretation of Christianity. This first full-scale treatment of the subject follows a truly interdisciplinary approach, applying to the early medieval period a sociohistorical method similar to that which has already proven fruitful in explicating the history of Early Christianity and Late Antiquity. The encounter of the Germanic peoples with Christianity is studied from within the larger context of the encounter of a predominantly “world-accepting” Indo-European folk-religiosity with predominantly “world-rejecting” religious movements. While the first part of the book develops a general model of religious transformation for such encounters, the second part applies this model to the Germano-Christian scenario. Russell shows how a Christian missionary policy of temporary accommodation inadvertently contributed to a reciprocal Germanization of Christianity.”— https://www.amazon.com/Germanization-Early-Medieval-Christianity-Sociohistorical/dp/0195104668/