Category: Religion, Myth, and Theology

  • THE EIGHTH DAY “Evensong” by Lester del Rey. It details the capture of a being,

    THE EIGHTH DAY

    “Evensong” by Lester del Rey. It details the capture of a being, identified at the end of the story as God, by Man, which has usurped God’s power.

    EVENSONG

    By the time he reached the surface of the little planet, even the dregs of his power were drained. Now he rested, drawing reluctant strength from the yellow sun that shone on the greensward around him. His senses were dim with an ultimate fatigue, but the fear he had learned from the Usurpers drove them outward, seeking a further hint of sanctuary.

    It was a peaceful world, he realized, and the fear thickened in him at the discovery. In his younger days, he had cherished a multitude of worlds where the game of life’s ebb and flow could be played to the hilt. But the Usurpers could brook no rivals to their own outreaching lust. The very peace and order here meant that this world had once been theirs.

    He tested for them gingerly while the merest whisper of strength poured into him. None were here now. He could have sensed the pressure of their close presence at once, and there was no trace of that. The even grassland swept in rolling meadows and swales to the distant hills. There were marble structures in the distance, sparkling whitely in the late sunlight, but they were empty, their unknown purpose altered to no more than decoration now upon this abandoned planet. His attention swept back, across a stream to the other side of the wide valley.

    There he found the garden. Within low walls, its miles of expanse were a tree-crowded and apparently untended preserve. He could sense the stirring of larger animal life among the branches and along the winding paths. The brawling vigor of all proper life was missing, but its abundance might be enough to mask his own vestige of living force from more than careful search.

    It was at least a better refuge than this open greensward and he longed toward it, but the danger of betraying motion held him still where he was. He had thought his previous escape to be assured, but he was learning that even he could err. Now he waited while he tested once more for evidence of Usurper trap.

    He had mastered patience in the confinement the Usurpers had designed at the center of the galaxy. He had gathered his power furtively while he designed escape around their reluctance to make final disposition. Then he had burst outward in a drive that should have thrust him far beyond the limits of their hold on the universe. And he had found failure before he could span even the distance to the end of this spiral arm of one galactic fastness.

    Their webs of detection were everywhere, seemingly. Their great power-robbing lines made a net too fine to pass. Stars and worlds were linked, until only a series of miracles had carried him this far. And now the waste of power for such miracles was no longer within his reach. Since their near failure in entrapping and sequestering him, they had learned too much.

    Now he searched delicately, afraid to trip some alarm, but more afraid to miss its existence. From space, this world had offered the only hope in its seeming freedom from their webs. But only micro-seconds had been available to him for his testing then.

    At last he drew his perceptions back. He could find no slightest evidence of their lures and detectors here. He had begun to suspect that even his best efforts might not be enough now, but he could do no more. Slowly at first, and then in a sudden rush, he hurled himself into the maze of the garden.

    Nothing struck from the skies. Nothing leaped upwards from the planet core to halt him. There was no interruption in the rustling of the leaves and the chirping bird songs. The animal sounds went on unhindered. Nothing seemed aware of his presence in the garden. Once that would have been unthinkable in itself, but now he drew comfort from it. He must be only a shadow self now, unknown and unknowable in his passing.

    Something came down the path where he rested, pattering along on hoofs that touched lightly on the spoilage of fallen leaves. Something else leaped quickly through the light underbrush beside the path.

    He let his attention rest on them as they both emerged onto the near pathway at once. And cold horror curled thickly around him.

    One was a rabbit, nibbling now at the leaves of clover and twitching long ears as its pink nose stretched out for more. The other was a young deer, still bearing the spots of its fawnhood. Either or both might have seemingly been found on any of a thousand worlds. But neither would have been precisely of the type before him.

    This was the Meeting World—the planet where he had first found the ancestors of the Usurpers. Of all worlds in the universe, it had to be this world he sought for refuge!

    They were savages back in the days of his full glory, confined to this single world, rutting and driving their way to the lawful self-destruction of all such savages. And yet there had been something odd about them, something that then drew his attention and even his vagrant pity.

    Out of that pity, he had taught a few of them, and led them upwards. He had even nursed poetic fancies of making them his companions and his equals as the life span of their sun should near its ending. He had answered their cries for help and given them at least some of what they needed to set their steps toward power over even space and energy. And they had rewarded him by overweening pride that denied even a trace of gratitude. He had abandoned them finally to their own savage ends and gone on to other worlds, to play out the purposes of a wider range.

    It was his second folly. They were too far along the path toward unlocking the laws behind the universe. Somehow, they even avoided their own destruction from themselves. They took the worlds of their sun and drove outwards, until they could even vie with him for the worlds he had made particularly his own. And now they owned them all, and he had only a tiny spot here on their world—for a time at least.

    The horror of the realization that this was the Meeting World abated a little as he remembered now how readily their spawning hordes possessed and abandoned worlds without seeming end. And again the tests he could make showed no evidence of them here. He began to relax again, feeling a sudden hope from what had been temporary despair. Surely they might also believe this was the one planet where he would never seek sanctuary.

    Now he set his fears aside and began to force his thoughts toward the only pattern that could offer hope. He needed power, and power was available in any area untouched by the webs of the Usurpers. It had drained into space itself throughout the aeons, a waste of energy that could blast suns or build them in legions. It was power to escape, perhaps even to prepare himself eventually to meet them with at least a chance to force truce, if not victory. Given even a few hours free of their notice, he could draw and hold that power for his needs.

    He was just reaching for it when the sky thundered and the sun seemed to darken for a moment!

    The fear in him gibbered to the surface and sent him huddling from sight of the sky before he could control it. But for a brief moment there was still a trace of hope in him. It could have been a phenomenon caused by his own need for power; he might have begun drawing too heavily, too eager for strength.

    Then the earth shook, and he knew.

    The Usurpers were not fooled. They knew he was here—had never lost him. And now they had followed in all their massive lack of subtlety. One of their scout ships had landed, and the scout would come seeking him.

    He fought for control of himself, and found it long enough to drive his fear back down within himself. Now, with a care that disturbed not even a blade of grass or leaf on a twig, he began retreating, seeking the denser undergrowth at the center of the garden where all life was thickest. With that to screen him, he might at least draw a faint trickle of power, a strength to build a subtle brute aura around himself and let him hide among the beasts. Some Usurper scouts were young and immature. Such a one might be fooled into leaving. Then, before his report could be acted on by others, there might still be a chance….

    He knew the thought was only a wish, not a plan, but he clung to it as he huddled in the thicket at the center of the garden. And then even the fantasy was stripped from him.

    The sound of footsteps was firm and sure. Branches broke as the steps came forward, not deviating from a straight line. Inexorably, each firm stride brought the Usurper nearer to his huddling place. Now there was a faint glow in the air, and the animals were scampering away in terror.

    He felt the eyes of the Usurper on him, and he forced himself away from that awareness. And, like fear, he found that he had learned prayer from the Usurpers; he prayed now desperately to a nothingness he knew, and there was no answer.

    “Come forth! This earth is a holy place and you cannot remain upon it, Our judgement is done and a place is prepared for you. Come forth and let me take you there!” The voice was soft, but it carried a power that stilled even the rustling of the leaves.

    He let the gaze of the Usurper reach him now, and the prayer in him was mute and directed outward—and hopeless, as he knew it must be.

    “But—” Words were useless, but the bitterness inside him forced the words to come from him. “But why? I am God!”

    For a moment, something akin to sadness and pity was in the eyes of the Usurper. Then it passed as the answer came. “I know. But I am Man. Come!”

    He bowed at last, silently, and followed slowly as the yellow sun sank behind the walls of the garden.

    And the evening and the morning were the eighth day.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 16:18:00 UTC

  • THERE IS ONLY ONE SCIENTIFIC METHOD FOR THE CONSTITUTION OF GODS – AND I THINK W

    THERE IS ONLY ONE SCIENTIFIC METHOD FOR THE CONSTITUTION OF GODS – AND I THINK WE KNOW IT

    —“Empirical mechanism for such phenomena not yet found, “—

    Well as the top physicists have already stated, we know the complete spectrum of forces because there is no ‘room’ for any other force. So no, no information can exist in the spectrum. I can’t remember who works on this (but I know how to find out), and it’s sort of taboo for the reasons that are obvious – it threatens faith the occult that faith depends upon.

    But, just as we know the complete composition of chemistry, we know the complete composition of interacting forces. What we don’t know is the geometry of the primary force that creates the grammar we know of as quantum mechanics, that would explain gravity at the quantum level and unite quantum(small) and relativistic (large) – both of which are currently descriptive rather than causal.

    God is just what I said it was above: an archetypal character with whom we intuititionistically(auto-associatively) role play (predict), as we would a parent or headman, and through that filter – a filter to whom we are as transparent as we were to parents and headmen – we can judge our intuitions.

    Man is the measure of all things to man, because man is the only system of measurement available to man. God is a system of measurement in the group’s ideal of man to imitate (jesus, Achilles) a demigod to aspire to (odin, Hercules,), a god to negotiate with (zeus, thor, tyr), one to obey (jehova, allah), or one to simply understand (deism, the physical and natural laws). Any creature inventing a god would invent one in his image just as we have – and just as the hundreds of gods have been invented abandoned or lost before the present gods.

    Science killed the lie of god and discovered the truth of god, and the laws of the universe, and only europeans have done so.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 13:25:00 UTC

  • A GOD IS A SYSTEM OF MEASUREMENT Man is the measure of all things to man, becaus

    A GOD IS A SYSTEM OF MEASUREMENT

    Man is the measure of all things to man, because man is the only system of measurement available to man. God is a system of measurement in the group’s ideal of man to imitate (as in Jesus, or Achilles) a demigod to aspire to (Odin, Hercules), a god to negotiate with (zeus, thor, tyr), one to obey (jehova, allah), or one to simply understand (deism, the physical and natural laws). Any creature inventing a god would invent one in his image just as we have – and just as the hundreds of gods have been invented abandoned or lost before the present gods.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 13:24:00 UTC

  • SCIENCE PRESERVING FAITH They means of preserving the faith under the science of

    SCIENCE PRESERVING FAITH

    They means of preserving the faith under the science of gods as information, is that while protocol is behavior, and the transmission between people (nodes, modules) is slow (in itself a survival technique), it is possible that the host (body of the faithful) functions as a collectively subconscious organism, and that given synchronicity, we all operate as if there were a physical connection, when in fact, the only connection is the information we are subject to by our sense, perception, auto-association. This provides a rational and scientific explanation for why religion does work despite the pantheon of grammars we express it in. It explains the value of Jesus and nature for the submissive (uncompetitive) and the traditional(dominant, competitive) european gods as dominance expression. This ends the problem of the multiplicity of conflicting gods, and the evident and undeniable failure of gods in all material things, and that god created the universe, but leaves the rest of theology intact. So this leaves us with a scientific view of every religion that does not seek to dominate any other religion, and falsifies every religion that does seek to dominate other religions. Furthermore, it explains the western pantheon of scientific, normative-legal, ideal philosophical and theological grammars as satisfying the language of each group of ‘gods’ in our pantheon. If you pray to your god, talk to your god, or think in the language of your deity, or your deism, you will participate in the construction of that ‘will’.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 11:45:00 UTC

  • THINKING THINGS THRU IS SCARY —“Faith without works is dead.”—John Brennan –

    THINKING THINGS THRU IS SCARY

    —“Faith without works is dead.”—John Brennan

    —“Faith without works is free riding. It’s a crime. ;)”—Curt Doolittle

    —“Faith without works is:

    1 – Baiting into hazard for oneself in both religious and logical terms,

    2 – Making an unfalsifiable promise to the commons (i.e believe in Jesus and be saved in afterlife),

    3 – Parasitism on others within the higher-trust group of other faithful

    All of which are violations of reciprocity.

    Even though faith attempts to define reciprocity as “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” it lacks the grammar to break it down to what it really means and how to apply it.

    P. solves that problem.”—James Dmitro Makienko


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 09:24:00 UTC

  • Gods install firmware. 😉

    Gods install firmware. 😉


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 09:22:00 UTC

  • HOW GODS EXIST AND FUNCTION by Curt Doolittle and Stephen Wells -by Stephen Well

    HOW GODS EXIST AND FUNCTION

    by Curt Doolittle and Stephen Wells

    -by Stephen Wells:

    The mistake in reasoning of those who “give it up to God” is generally one of falsely assuming that any higher power operates like a magic wand.

    Author Napoleon Hill who spent years studying successful people noted that the spiritual difference of successful over non successful people was that successful people assigned their faith to God to provide solutions for for them to take action on themselves, rather than for God to simply make their problems go away.

    ***In short, God was to be found within their own subconscious and expressed by acting on their intuition, which itself was disciplined and directed by conscious thought and continuous action towards a clearly defined goal.***

    -by Curt Doolittle

    Yes, this is the correct(scientific) definition of god.

    Gods exists as information.

    That information is trained into your intuition

    That training organizes and filters your intuition.

    Primarily it prevents self deception or, (and this is true) deception by your genes, old, and middle brains.

    And for very obvious reasons, anthropomorphizing that information is more effective at extracting truthfulness from your intuition than you are able to do without it – because intuition will let your genes influence you chaotically while anthropomorphized intuition falsifies your intuition (your auto association) to predict how that character would interpret your thoughts. In other words, we can use our social instincts to override our chaotic intuition by creating a framework for truthful prediction.

    This is pretty obvious once you think it thru. Our bodies and faculties are our only system of measurement. But since we are human and evolved consciousness with enough recursion to predict others’ actions, feelings, thoughts, and wants, we can use other people (archetypes) as systems of measurement as well.

    Is there a difference between what would god want me to do, what would Jesus want me to do, what would Gandalf or Aristotle, me to do, and what would my grandmother want me to do?

    No there isn’t other than a god is a proxy for your social order.

    Systems of measurement to provide a neural economy superior predictive power.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-21 09:13:00 UTC

  • If Natural Law, Physical Law and Gods Law are the same then yes, morals come fro

    If Natural Law, Physical Law and Gods Law are the same then yes, morals come from God. If morals are not the same as natural and physical law then men have erred in interpreting gods or nature’s law.

    I prefer christians, especially devoted christians over all other people – and the evidentiary reality is christianity ‘works’ to produce better people than all other religions and better than every secular alternative. I just prefer to maintain the separation between law(Truth) and faith(Wisdom) and so theology must defend wisdom claims (the good) not truth claims (the true or false).

    –“​I thought doolittle was anti religion”– Nathan Danner

    —“​I’m not sure his religious views. These two are bringing religion into propertarianism whether Kurt intended it to be there or not.”—Nate

    I have a job and I do my job. My job is to protect my people from the left’s lies, and another dark age – and part of that job is to discover a way to restore a religion to ‘the religion of the state’.

    I know it is hard for the faithful to tolerate my work on religion. It’s certainly hard on me. And I request only that while I work on law others work on faith, and hopefully I will someday discover a means of uniting them.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-20 20:21:00 UTC

  • WHY CHRISTIANITY (Religion) WORKS An obvious truth I don’t like: Europeans are n

    WHY CHRISTIANITY (Religion) WORKS

    An obvious truth I don’t like: Europeans are not only the youngest race (~10k ybp), and more neotenous than other races – except east asians who are more neotenous than we are – but our neoteny comes at the cost of greater emotional instability – which explains european women. We are in a middle range and east asians are off the neotenous cliff. And what does this mean? Neoteny has interesting consequences: not enough and you mature too early for agency except late in life and prevent lifelong learning. If you have enough you develop agency later and lifelong ability to learn, and too much you develop agency early at the cost of life long learning ability. (I might be one of the first people to discuss this, I’m not sure, but it’s obvious in the data.)

    We could test IQ, Conscientiousness, and Emotional Stability and then democracy might work. Or we could just restore property owning, married, european males and females employing any number of non-family members – which is demonstrated evidence of intelligence, conscientiousness and emotional stability rather than test evidence. And then a house of women and a house of men to negotiate differences between genders.

    The chinese used the former, for access to bureaucracy. I recommend the latter because we use markets for production. Evidence is evidence.

    So what’s my point? My point is that christianity is more necessary for europeans to stabilize the emotions than is obvious from our average intelligence. We tnd to link the two but that’s not really it. That’s why while there is a relationship between religiosity and intelligence, the chistian ethic remains constant across the population.

    I also understand that for those of us who are more pagan, we respect christians out of LOYALTY, like we respect the flag out of LOYALTY and our ancestors out of loyalty.

    As such I am loyal to my christian brothers, and observant out of loyalty. Even if my god is far closer to Thor-Tyr-Zeus, and my prophets are lawgivers: Odin and Aristotle.

    The solution is to request loyalty in exchange not that we seek to defeat the gods of dominance and submission to which the opposite cannot tolerate thanks (debt).


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-19 15:29:00 UTC

  • “It would also be cool to watch you debate theologians. Not pansy ones either bu

    —“It would also be cool to watch you debate theologians. Not pansy ones either but the few who are also high level scientists.”— A Friend

    It’s a very simple argument: What is a theologian claiming: Good and wisdom, or True and demonstrable? What can they testify to? How can they demonstrate it? How can they warranty it? What is their incentive? What are the costs if they lie? Why is the world of science good for man, and the world of religion devolutionary for man? Why is science of man good and the actions of god evil? Why did christians jews and muslims create a dark age? Why are the churches full of our least competent people? Why did the churches fail to reform? Why did Europe abandon christianity? Why did the evangelical movement succeed and why are Americans leaving the church and dividing half secular and half evangelical? What should the church have done when theology was continuously defeated by science and proven false? Why did the church resist literacy of the people. Why did the church resist the printing of the bible in the people’s language? Why did the monastic orders arise if not in response tot he corruption of the church? Why did the church need the vikings to fight the crusades? Was christianity adopted or was it enforced in the past as islam is still enforced today? Did the christians destroy the ancient world, it’s monuments, it’s arts and letters, its academies, its accumulated knowledge, and instead of restoring roman order, aristocracy, literacy, and greek knowledge, drag Europe and the pagan peoples into dark ages? Why is the abrahamic method of deceit used by jews, christians and muslims used again by marxists, postmodernists, and feminist to repeat the same destruction of the old world to destroy the new – this time with false promise of economic and political reward instead of life after death and political reward? Why do theologians use the same arguments as the marxists, postmodernists, and feminists who destroy this world.

    I have never found a theological argument I cannot defeat. We know too much now. Hence (a) there currently are, and have been, many gods. (b) all gods exist as information, (c) this information exists in the minds of man, (d) this information influences individual and group behavior (e) this behavior is often good, but vulnerable to conquest – which was the purpose of the church. (f) but as a consequence it produces an addiction response when threatened, and is defended by the abrahamic method of deceit rather than just the simple statement “I have faith that if I live my life by jesus’ teachings that my life, the life of those around me, the life of my polity, and of mankind, in this world, and in the next if there is one, will be better than if I did not.”

    If you must argue your faith. you have none. Faith needs no argument. That is what it means to have faith.


    Source date (UTC): 2020-02-18 16:54:00 UTC