Feb 4, 2020, 12:21 PM To change the narrative requires only that we say Jesus – as some have hypothesized – is the son of a roman soldier and a jewish prostitute, who rebelled against both roman conquest of Judea and Jewish abuse of one another, with a message of love one another – surrender your frustration, anger, jealousy, to heaven in exchange for building the bond of trust. And for his rebelliousness against both jews and rome, both rome and jews killed him. And then the jews took his message of love and wrapped it in lies, to create a victim hero to replace the greco roman hero Achilles and the Epic Cyle of the aristocracy, and continue the jewish narrative of the underclasses (slaves, slave traders, money changers-usurers instead.
Category: Religion, Myth, and Theology
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Changing the Jesus Narrative to Fit Original Intent
Feb 4, 2020, 12:21 PM To change the narrative requires only that we say Jesus – as some have hypothesized – is the son of a roman soldier and a jewish prostitute, who rebelled against both roman conquest of Judea and Jewish abuse of one another, with a message of love one another – surrender your frustration, anger, jealousy, to heaven in exchange for building the bond of trust. And for his rebelliousness against both jews and rome, both rome and jews killed him. And then the jews took his message of love and wrapped it in lies, to create a victim hero to replace the greco roman hero Achilles and the Epic Cyle of the aristocracy, and continue the jewish narrative of the underclasses (slaves, slave traders, money changers-usurers instead.
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The Position Higher Power: Religion, and Gods
Feb 4, 2020, 2:08 PM (warning. this topic is challenging. It touches on the direction I am working toward with religion)
—” I appreciate and can support so much of what I understood about #propertarianism. Is their any room for a belief in a higher power? A creator? The final Judge?”–Thor @Sov3r3ignSoul
In our civilization, despite the jewish attempt at forcing monopoly in each class, we have practiced a market of hierarchies we call Trifunctionalism /Tripartism which includes a Judicial material ‘priesthood’, AND a Religious spiritual priesthood. As always, render unto caesar the material world, and unto the gods the spiritual. The science says Physical law, Natural law, and Christian extension of kinship love, constitute the laws of the Universe. These Laws are the only evidence of god’s word, written in god’s hand. If any faith is incompatible with those laws, then it’s not god’s word but man’s lie. So there is plenty of room for faith, And you will find Aristotle and Jesus among his few prophets; and European man almost exclusively God’s translators – from his hand into the language of man: mathematics, science, and the Natural Law. And european man God’s only messenger. And that’s why European man has almost exclusively dragged mankind out of ignorance, poverty, hard labor, poverty, starvation, disease, suffering, and early death by mastery of god’s word, written in god’s hand – against other’s false gods, failed translations, and men’s lies. And if European man did not drag a people out of ignorance, hard labor, poverty, starvation, diseases, suffering and early death using god’s words, then those people are suffering because god punishes them for their false gods, failed translations, and men’s lies. Jesus asks us to work to drag those with false gods, failed translations, and men’s lies, out of longing, ignorance, poverty, starvation, disease, suffering, and early death. But if they resist, they must continue to suffer for their false gods failed translations and men’s lies. Europeans are the gods among men, and first among men. Not because we are yet gods ourselves. But because we think, speak, write, work, create, and spread the evidence of God’s words, his hands, and his will. In the language of gods words, hands, and will: Mathematics (geometry), Science, and Natural Law of Sovereign Men. For gods must be Sovereign, Omniscient and Omnipotent. And only Sovereign men may transcend into peerage with gods. And for all people, we are challenged to choose which god is the true god: an impersonal god who tests our ability to achieve sovereignty, omniscience and omniscience by learning his words, hands, and will; a god with whom we trade as allies; or a god who we obey as slaves. Will you transcend into gods, remain a client, or obey as slave? THERE IS NO QUESTION: ARISTOTLE IS GOD’S ONLY TRUTHFUL PROPHET Democritus, and others culminated in Aristotle, and Aristotle caused a chain of reaction throughout time. But it is Aristotle who understood the language of the gods in their own hand. And the evidence of man’s transcendence by his translation, and the evidence of man’s stagnation or decline otherwise. CHANGING THE JESUS NARRATIVE TO FIT ORIGINAL INTENT To change the narrative requires only that we say Jesus – as some have hypothesized – is the son of a roman soldier and a jewish prostitute, who rebelled against both roman conquest of Judea and Jewish abuse of one another, with a message of love one another – surrender your frustration, anger, jealousy, to heaven in exchange for building the bond of trust. And for his rebelliousness against both jews and Rome, both Rome and jews killed him. And then the jews took his message of love and wrapped it in lies, to create a victim hero to replace the greco roman hero Achilles and the Epic Cycle of the aristocracy, and continue the jewish narrative of the underclasses (slaves, slave traders, money changers-usurers instead
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The Position Higher Power: Religion, and Gods
Feb 4, 2020, 2:08 PM (warning. this topic is challenging. It touches on the direction I am working toward with religion)
—” I appreciate and can support so much of what I understood about #propertarianism. Is their any room for a belief in a higher power? A creator? The final Judge?”–Thor @Sov3r3ignSoul
In our civilization, despite the jewish attempt at forcing monopoly in each class, we have practiced a market of hierarchies we call Trifunctionalism /Tripartism which includes a Judicial material ‘priesthood’, AND a Religious spiritual priesthood. As always, render unto caesar the material world, and unto the gods the spiritual. The science says Physical law, Natural law, and Christian extension of kinship love, constitute the laws of the Universe. These Laws are the only evidence of god’s word, written in god’s hand. If any faith is incompatible with those laws, then it’s not god’s word but man’s lie. So there is plenty of room for faith, And you will find Aristotle and Jesus among his few prophets; and European man almost exclusively God’s translators – from his hand into the language of man: mathematics, science, and the Natural Law. And european man God’s only messenger. And that’s why European man has almost exclusively dragged mankind out of ignorance, poverty, hard labor, poverty, starvation, disease, suffering, and early death by mastery of god’s word, written in god’s hand – against other’s false gods, failed translations, and men’s lies. And if European man did not drag a people out of ignorance, hard labor, poverty, starvation, diseases, suffering and early death using god’s words, then those people are suffering because god punishes them for their false gods, failed translations, and men’s lies. Jesus asks us to work to drag those with false gods, failed translations, and men’s lies, out of longing, ignorance, poverty, starvation, disease, suffering, and early death. But if they resist, they must continue to suffer for their false gods failed translations and men’s lies. Europeans are the gods among men, and first among men. Not because we are yet gods ourselves. But because we think, speak, write, work, create, and spread the evidence of God’s words, his hands, and his will. In the language of gods words, hands, and will: Mathematics (geometry), Science, and Natural Law of Sovereign Men. For gods must be Sovereign, Omniscient and Omnipotent. And only Sovereign men may transcend into peerage with gods. And for all people, we are challenged to choose which god is the true god: an impersonal god who tests our ability to achieve sovereignty, omniscience and omniscience by learning his words, hands, and will; a god with whom we trade as allies; or a god who we obey as slaves. Will you transcend into gods, remain a client, or obey as slave? THERE IS NO QUESTION: ARISTOTLE IS GOD’S ONLY TRUTHFUL PROPHET Democritus, and others culminated in Aristotle, and Aristotle caused a chain of reaction throughout time. But it is Aristotle who understood the language of the gods in their own hand. And the evidence of man’s transcendence by his translation, and the evidence of man’s stagnation or decline otherwise. CHANGING THE JESUS NARRATIVE TO FIT ORIGINAL INTENT To change the narrative requires only that we say Jesus – as some have hypothesized – is the son of a roman soldier and a jewish prostitute, who rebelled against both roman conquest of Judea and Jewish abuse of one another, with a message of love one another – surrender your frustration, anger, jealousy, to heaven in exchange for building the bond of trust. And for his rebelliousness against both jews and Rome, both Rome and jews killed him. And then the jews took his message of love and wrapped it in lies, to create a victim hero to replace the greco roman hero Achilles and the Epic Cycle of the aristocracy, and continue the jewish narrative of the underclasses (slaves, slave traders, money changers-usurers instead
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Utility of Religion
Feb 6, 2020, 6:10 PM By Bill Joslin I think religious utility is easy (He says with 20-20 hindsight after over a year of participation in king of the hill games hahahah.) Its function is to provide graceful failure.
1. High agency/autonomy: rational/reason, consequentialism, calculation 2. Mid agency/limited autonomy: rational, emulation, virtue (qualities to emulate) 3. Low agency/highly limited autonomy : emotion(intuition-impulse), rules (deontic ethics), The church (or religions) serve to bridge the bottom two rungs whereby some religions emphasize rules (deontic) and other emphasize emulation (virtues) and have been constructed through a means of ad-hoc post-hoc collection of rules and qualities to emulate that further the particular group’s survivability. (A god(s) exists as behaviour-modifying belief that insures survivability)
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Utility of Religion
Feb 6, 2020, 6:10 PM By Bill Joslin I think religious utility is easy (He says with 20-20 hindsight after over a year of participation in king of the hill games hahahah.) Its function is to provide graceful failure.
1. High agency/autonomy: rational/reason, consequentialism, calculation 2. Mid agency/limited autonomy: rational, emulation, virtue (qualities to emulate) 3. Low agency/highly limited autonomy : emotion(intuition-impulse), rules (deontic ethics), The church (or religions) serve to bridge the bottom two rungs whereby some religions emphasize rules (deontic) and other emphasize emulation (virtues) and have been constructed through a means of ad-hoc post-hoc collection of rules and qualities to emulate that further the particular group’s survivability. (A god(s) exists as behaviour-modifying belief that insures survivability)
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Why Engage in Religious Commentary?
Feb 7, 2020, 9:44 AM
—“I’ve been following John Mark for some time now and generally agree with your observations on politics, the media and the way our country is headed and what conservatives need to do about it. However I find you venturing into religious commentary analysis disconcerting especially when it is viewed more as a way of controlling the masses and devoid of any spiritual truth or meaning. This reminds a great deal of the way Karl Marx viewed religion bad “an opiate for the masses.” It worried me also in that you are ignoring the fact this country which you want to save was founded in Christianity, put “In God We Trust” on our money and whose great founders and leaders prayed often and diligently for guidance and wisdom for the course of our country. If you try to turn our country around without a true belief in God you will have not saved this country but perhaps create a different sort of democracy devoid of God and all the foundations that have made this the greatest nation in the world and it will fail miserably. I would hope you will stay out of the theology business that most of the true Patriots of this country believe in and stick to the more obvious analysis of politics and trends in general. Otherwise you can count me and perhaps many others out of your “Winning Right.”—Joel Rhodes
Going to answer two points you’ve made:
1) —“I find you venturing into religious commentary analysis disconcerting especially when it is viewed more as a way of controlling the masses and devoid of any spiritual truth or meaning.”—
My objective is to end the undermining of western civilization by the use of the abrahamic method of deceit, upon which were built the first system of anti-religious-market lies of judaism, christianity, and islam, and the second anti-political-market lies: marxism, postmodernism, feminism – and the continued durability of judaism, christianity, and islam as monopolistic totalitarian religions. So I struggle with reforming christianity so that the teachings of Jesus are retained, but the abrahamic method of deceit by which christianity is justified is removed. At present we must make excuses in the constitution for the preservation of a single method of lying using the abrahamic method of deceit to preserve the good in christianity and the tolerance of the christian center. In other words, the only problem we face today is that christians use the jewish means of lying to justify christian religion, instead of reforming the church so that it is – as we see in some protestant churches – a continuous lesson in psychology(mindfulness) – where jesus’ teaching is the most primitive and effective method of using group therapy to program individuals into mindfuless. the stoic method is not as effective for common people because it is requires intellectual exercise. So it is of its nature a middle and upper class means of mindfuless. Yet evidence says that we can like our ancestors or japan combine multiple traditions to achieve our ends. And that is part of my work To produce a social order free of the abrahamic method of deceit, so that we are no longer vulnerable to the abrahamic method of deceit.
2) —“you are ignoring the fact this country which you want to save was founded in Christianity”—
This country was founded by men who were members of the enlightenment, for who god varied – just as today – between (a) a euphemism for the laws of the universe and god the anthropomorphic character we attribute to it, (b) the uninvolved abstract god of deism while maintains that there may be some abstract force we anthropomorphize as god, (c) jesus as a philosopher of speaking in religious prose under one of those gods, (d) jesus as a prophet, and god as existential. (e) full dogmatic fundamentalists who believe everything is determined by god and the bible is the literal word of god. And that, just as I go to church recite words, and just as Jefferson did, that does not mean that those of us who are secular and philosophical are merely performing a ritual for the benefit of all of us across that spectrum, and whose of us who are theological are doing it for the god and prophet for which we hope to benefit ourselves and the polity. So, I’ll give you the opposing theory: that for aristocracy, christianity was an excuse for Aryanism (superiority), and religion is a means of controlling the vast ignorant underclasses. For the priesthood that came from the nobility or middle classes it was a means of earning income from administering a vast illiterate ignorant underclass by false promise and pacifying them. And that by and large – just as postmodernism is practiced by the academy and urbanites and traditionalism by the rurals, through almost all of the dark ages, the church was as corrupt as we know perceive our state, only the city dwellers gave it lip service, and the people were christian only at church, and the rest of the time maintained their traditional germanic paganism. So if you mean ‘the people were ignorant and illiterate farmers and laborers who were administered into christian pacifism and tolerance for one another, and that the aristocracy was always practiced war and law and property just as those of us today with agency and recourses practice property, economic warfare, political warfare, and organize the laboring classes to conduct war” then yes. But do not for a moment confuse the fact that in western civilization, we practice Tripartism intellectually and trifunctionalism institutionally, and that the military, judicial, and theological priesthoods were all present at all times, and we allied with the most important to us at any given moment – just like today. The warning I am giving you is one that only a few thinkers give in each era, with sun tzu and machiavelli the most well known. That is: (a) do not confuse that your primary framework for understanding the organization of western civilization isn’t just a class framework (b) that all three frameworks are always and everywhere present, (c) that what binds them together isn’t any one of the three, but sovereignty, and the three possible methods of coercion force trifunctionalism, which forces tripartism. We are all european if and only if we are the people of who use markets in everything – and this is why the church failed here and only succeeded in the (underclass) middle east – almost everyone was at the bottom, and so religion brought them there. In the west we have classes and we move between them as needed.
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Why Engage in Religious Commentary?
Feb 7, 2020, 9:44 AM
—“I’ve been following John Mark for some time now and generally agree with your observations on politics, the media and the way our country is headed and what conservatives need to do about it. However I find you venturing into religious commentary analysis disconcerting especially when it is viewed more as a way of controlling the masses and devoid of any spiritual truth or meaning. This reminds a great deal of the way Karl Marx viewed religion bad “an opiate for the masses.” It worried me also in that you are ignoring the fact this country which you want to save was founded in Christianity, put “In God We Trust” on our money and whose great founders and leaders prayed often and diligently for guidance and wisdom for the course of our country. If you try to turn our country around without a true belief in God you will have not saved this country but perhaps create a different sort of democracy devoid of God and all the foundations that have made this the greatest nation in the world and it will fail miserably. I would hope you will stay out of the theology business that most of the true Patriots of this country believe in and stick to the more obvious analysis of politics and trends in general. Otherwise you can count me and perhaps many others out of your “Winning Right.”—Joel Rhodes
Going to answer two points you’ve made:
1) —“I find you venturing into religious commentary analysis disconcerting especially when it is viewed more as a way of controlling the masses and devoid of any spiritual truth or meaning.”—
My objective is to end the undermining of western civilization by the use of the abrahamic method of deceit, upon which were built the first system of anti-religious-market lies of judaism, christianity, and islam, and the second anti-political-market lies: marxism, postmodernism, feminism – and the continued durability of judaism, christianity, and islam as monopolistic totalitarian religions. So I struggle with reforming christianity so that the teachings of Jesus are retained, but the abrahamic method of deceit by which christianity is justified is removed. At present we must make excuses in the constitution for the preservation of a single method of lying using the abrahamic method of deceit to preserve the good in christianity and the tolerance of the christian center. In other words, the only problem we face today is that christians use the jewish means of lying to justify christian religion, instead of reforming the church so that it is – as we see in some protestant churches – a continuous lesson in psychology(mindfulness) – where jesus’ teaching is the most primitive and effective method of using group therapy to program individuals into mindfuless. the stoic method is not as effective for common people because it is requires intellectual exercise. So it is of its nature a middle and upper class means of mindfuless. Yet evidence says that we can like our ancestors or japan combine multiple traditions to achieve our ends. And that is part of my work To produce a social order free of the abrahamic method of deceit, so that we are no longer vulnerable to the abrahamic method of deceit.
2) —“you are ignoring the fact this country which you want to save was founded in Christianity”—
This country was founded by men who were members of the enlightenment, for who god varied – just as today – between (a) a euphemism for the laws of the universe and god the anthropomorphic character we attribute to it, (b) the uninvolved abstract god of deism while maintains that there may be some abstract force we anthropomorphize as god, (c) jesus as a philosopher of speaking in religious prose under one of those gods, (d) jesus as a prophet, and god as existential. (e) full dogmatic fundamentalists who believe everything is determined by god and the bible is the literal word of god. And that, just as I go to church recite words, and just as Jefferson did, that does not mean that those of us who are secular and philosophical are merely performing a ritual for the benefit of all of us across that spectrum, and whose of us who are theological are doing it for the god and prophet for which we hope to benefit ourselves and the polity. So, I’ll give you the opposing theory: that for aristocracy, christianity was an excuse for Aryanism (superiority), and religion is a means of controlling the vast ignorant underclasses. For the priesthood that came from the nobility or middle classes it was a means of earning income from administering a vast illiterate ignorant underclass by false promise and pacifying them. And that by and large – just as postmodernism is practiced by the academy and urbanites and traditionalism by the rurals, through almost all of the dark ages, the church was as corrupt as we know perceive our state, only the city dwellers gave it lip service, and the people were christian only at church, and the rest of the time maintained their traditional germanic paganism. So if you mean ‘the people were ignorant and illiterate farmers and laborers who were administered into christian pacifism and tolerance for one another, and that the aristocracy was always practiced war and law and property just as those of us today with agency and recourses practice property, economic warfare, political warfare, and organize the laboring classes to conduct war” then yes. But do not for a moment confuse the fact that in western civilization, we practice Tripartism intellectually and trifunctionalism institutionally, and that the military, judicial, and theological priesthoods were all present at all times, and we allied with the most important to us at any given moment – just like today. The warning I am giving you is one that only a few thinkers give in each era, with sun tzu and machiavelli the most well known. That is: (a) do not confuse that your primary framework for understanding the organization of western civilization isn’t just a class framework (b) that all three frameworks are always and everywhere present, (c) that what binds them together isn’t any one of the three, but sovereignty, and the three possible methods of coercion force trifunctionalism, which forces tripartism. We are all european if and only if we are the people of who use markets in everything – and this is why the church failed here and only succeeded in the (underclass) middle east – almost everyone was at the bottom, and so religion brought them there. In the west we have classes and we move between them as needed.
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Science Has Made Anything Other than Deism Impossible
Feb 8, 2020, 9:05 AM It’s because science has made anything other than deism impossible for rational people, the bible and church dogma unbelievable, and the narratives that attempt to teach lessons irrelevant, absurd, or quaint – precisely because there is only one lesson. That’s before we get to the clergy being unworthy of respect, and the catholic clergy forever tainted by child abuse. People behave well because of the experience of safety in the burial, church, temple, military, marriage, feast sport,, festival experiences. This forms an addiction, just as safety in mother forms an addiction, just as friendship forms an addiction, just as sex forms an addiction – the reason we are open to addiction is because evolution’s way of keeping us invested in one another. We vary in the masculinity and femininity of brain structure which translates to a more empathic, social, and emotional or a more analytic, political, and action-oriented need. And the value of church (organized religion) dependent upon demand for inclusion. So thee church is evolving into satisfying only those people with the emotional and social needs that cannot be fulfilled by other means. Hence the uneducated, female, homosexual, dysfunctional, laboring class lower middle class shift in church demographics – and with it the economic collapse of church finances. So as usual, I go with the data. And the data isn’t pretty. Our religion like most, arose in concert with the agrarian age, and it has failed to transform for the industrial age. It satisfied demand for harmony in that age. And so given that people need a binding mythos and the rituals to reinforce it for social and political reasons, and at least half the population needs mindfulness for psychological reasons, how do we restore the utility of our old religion’s market for heroic figures under the same ethical and moral strategy, while preserving the christian moral and ethical strategy? The church hadn’t suppressed the saints, the path would be easier, since we could rotate archetypes as civilization changed, just as they did before monopoly (authoritarian) monotheistic abrahamic religions. So, we can’t do it and I think that is what is killing christianity as other than the religion of the world’s underclasses (Africa, South America). Religion teaches strategy for harmony and argument to persist it, but morality is something we know scientifically as reciprocity. But reciprocity tells us only to do no harm – to pay the cost of doing no harm.. Jesus teaches us to ignore our internal instincts and pay the cost of exhaustive forgiveness of ourselves and others. This tells us that we must pay the cost of harmony by bearing costs. And charity tells us that we must pay the cost of doing good. So while Aryanism, our ancient (market) religion, tells us to pay costs of excellence in all things and to be leaders in all things. Christianity, our medieval (monopoly) religion, tells us to pay costs of bringing people along with us. And our oldest religion of the hearth (nature, green man, elves, etc), tells us that nature is animal, childlike, and mischievous not evil, and we must be diligent against her mischief. These three religions were and remain in competition with another. Then the jews brought about marxism, socialism, feminism, and postmodernism, to destroy us as they brought christianity to destroy our reason, stoicism, epicureanism, and excellences in the ancient world. How do I, or we, help our people from not having another semitic dark age – even if our people, like addicts, desire it?
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Science Has Made Anything Other than Deism Impossible
Feb 8, 2020, 9:05 AM It’s because science has made anything other than deism impossible for rational people, the bible and church dogma unbelievable, and the narratives that attempt to teach lessons irrelevant, absurd, or quaint – precisely because there is only one lesson. That’s before we get to the clergy being unworthy of respect, and the catholic clergy forever tainted by child abuse. People behave well because of the experience of safety in the burial, church, temple, military, marriage, feast sport,, festival experiences. This forms an addiction, just as safety in mother forms an addiction, just as friendship forms an addiction, just as sex forms an addiction – the reason we are open to addiction is because evolution’s way of keeping us invested in one another. We vary in the masculinity and femininity of brain structure which translates to a more empathic, social, and emotional or a more analytic, political, and action-oriented need. And the value of church (organized religion) dependent upon demand for inclusion. So thee church is evolving into satisfying only those people with the emotional and social needs that cannot be fulfilled by other means. Hence the uneducated, female, homosexual, dysfunctional, laboring class lower middle class shift in church demographics – and with it the economic collapse of church finances. So as usual, I go with the data. And the data isn’t pretty. Our religion like most, arose in concert with the agrarian age, and it has failed to transform for the industrial age. It satisfied demand for harmony in that age. And so given that people need a binding mythos and the rituals to reinforce it for social and political reasons, and at least half the population needs mindfulness for psychological reasons, how do we restore the utility of our old religion’s market for heroic figures under the same ethical and moral strategy, while preserving the christian moral and ethical strategy? The church hadn’t suppressed the saints, the path would be easier, since we could rotate archetypes as civilization changed, just as they did before monopoly (authoritarian) monotheistic abrahamic religions. So, we can’t do it and I think that is what is killing christianity as other than the religion of the world’s underclasses (Africa, South America). Religion teaches strategy for harmony and argument to persist it, but morality is something we know scientifically as reciprocity. But reciprocity tells us only to do no harm – to pay the cost of doing no harm.. Jesus teaches us to ignore our internal instincts and pay the cost of exhaustive forgiveness of ourselves and others. This tells us that we must pay the cost of harmony by bearing costs. And charity tells us that we must pay the cost of doing good. So while Aryanism, our ancient (market) religion, tells us to pay costs of excellence in all things and to be leaders in all things. Christianity, our medieval (monopoly) religion, tells us to pay costs of bringing people along with us. And our oldest religion of the hearth (nature, green man, elves, etc), tells us that nature is animal, childlike, and mischievous not evil, and we must be diligent against her mischief. These three religions were and remain in competition with another. Then the jews brought about marxism, socialism, feminism, and postmodernism, to destroy us as they brought christianity to destroy our reason, stoicism, epicureanism, and excellences in the ancient world. How do I, or we, help our people from not having another semitic dark age – even if our people, like addicts, desire it?