Category: Politics, Power, and Governance

Source date (UTC): 2022-01-27 19:49:14 UTC

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@Weiss_Drache Does anyone really deny that the camps existed, that they were imitations of the Jewish bolshevik use of camps of Russia, or that the prisoners were put to work as forced labor, or that by the end of the war the prisoners were starved to death or murdered in large numbers because the state decided no longer to pay for their maintenance and care? As far as I know the only debate is over whether the jews were practicing corruption by the usurpation of institutions of cultural production (as they had repeatedly elsewhere), whether the numbers of dead were dramatized, whether or not there was use of gas chambers, whether the original intent was relocation or extermination, and that the natural economics of any such program by a country losing a war would be to maximize resources directed to the people and military rather than ‘undesirables’, resulting in the camps we saw at the end of the war. In other words, who is being honest or dishonest? what is the truth. The truth is rather obvious from the evidence. The untruth is rather obvious from t he evidence, and the motivated reasoning, and motivated propaganda. AFAIK every objector is just demanding the truth. (And yes, there may be some fking crazies who deny it all, just as there are crazies that fictionalize it all. ) As far as I can tell when the postwar generation has died off, which will occur shortly, the public understanding will adjust to the evidence, and the evidence is pretty clear that camps were created with the intent of relocation, that the war caused need for slave labor, then drove deprivation, starvation, and killings. That smaller numbers died than claimed. That postwar propaganda was used for political purposes. That the Germans were organizing to prevent the expansion of Jewish bolshevism from Russia into Germany (and anglo liberalism as well). That the postwar jewish marxists moved from germany to the usa and converted from class warfare that caused russian and german conflict, to race warfare that caused broader european and american social conflict. As such, there was no different intention of a purge of the jews this time than any other, or any different from the exit of the Moors from Spain, and that the original rather optimistic nature of the camps degenerated as the war pressed on for rather ordinary reasons that would occur and have occurred in history as resources are depleted. As far as I know, that’s the empirical evidence, and it’s all rational, it’s not dramatic, or especially ‘evil’ at all. It’s nothing compared to the Albegentsian crusades, the Inquisition, or even the protestant use of claims of witchcraft as a proxy for continuing the dominance of Protestantism over catholicism and other ‘heretics’. ( continued in next comment … )

Original post: https://gab.com/curtd/posts/107696155632141287

Source date (UTC): 2022-01-27 19:45:17 UTC

Original post: https://gab.com/curtd/posts/107696142244779559

Replying to: https://gab.com/curtd/posts/107696138112274496

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@curtd

HOLOCAUST TRUTH Does anyone really deny that the camps existed, that they were imitations of the Jewish bolshevik use of camps of Russia, or that the prisoners were put to work as forced labor, or that by the end of the war the prisoners were starved to death or murdered in large numbers because the state decided no longer to pay for their maintenance and care? As far as I know the only debate is over whether the jews were practicing corruption by the usurpation of institutions of cultural production (as they had repeatedly elsewhere), whether the numbers of dead were dramatized, whether or not there was use of gas chambers, whether the original intent was relocation or extermination, and that the natural economics of any such program by a country losing a war would be to maximize resources directed to the people and military rather than ‘undesirables’, resulting in the camps we saw at the end of the war. In other words, who is being honest or dishonest? what is the truth. The truth is rather obvious from the evidence. The untruth is rather obvious from t he evidence, and the motivated reasoning, and motivated propaganda. AFAIK every objector is just demanding the truth. (And yes, there may be some fking crazies who deny it all, just as there are crazies that fictionalize it all. ) As far as I can tell when the postwar generation has died off, which will occur shortly, the public understanding will adjust to the evidence, and the evidence is pretty clear that camps were created with the intent of relocation, that the war caused need for slave labor, then drove deprivation, starvation, and killings. That smaller numbers died than claimed. That postwar propaganda was used for political purposes. That the Germans were organizing to prevent the expansion of Jewish bolshevism from Russia into Germany (and anglo liberalism as well). That the postwar jewish marxists moved from germany to the usa and converted from class warfare that caused russian and german conflict, to race warfare that caused broader european and american social conflict. As such, there was no different intention of a purge of the jews this time than any other, or any different from the exit of the Moors from Spain, and that the original rather optimistic nature of the camps degenerated as the war pressed on for rather ordinary reasons that would occur and have occurred in history as resources are depleted. As far as I know, that’s the empirical evidence, and it’s all rational, it’s not dramatic, or especially ‘evil’ at all. It’s nothing compared to the Albegentsian crusades, the Inquisition, or even the protestant use of claims of witchcraft as a proxy for continuing the dominance of Protestantism over catholicism and other ‘heretics’. ( continued in comments … )

Original post: https://gab.com/curtd/posts/107696138112274496