Category: Epistemology and Method

  • Moral *and* Epistemic

    Mar 20, 2020, 10:47 AM by Yiannis Kontinopoulos

    What people don’t get in Propertarianism is that the scientific method with testimonialism is not an epistemological criterion, but an ethical one: these are all the ways that you might be prone to error or attempt to lie and if you don’t adhere to these standards you will be assumed to have lied.

    Operationalism is the actual epistemological criterion: what we can know is what we can reproduce in recipes of actions and measurements.

    —“This helped me.”—Andrew M Gilmour

  • Moral *and* Epistemic

    Mar 20, 2020, 10:47 AM by Yiannis Kontinopoulos

    What people don’t get in Propertarianism is that the scientific method with testimonialism is not an epistemological criterion, but an ethical one: these are all the ways that you might be prone to error or attempt to lie and if you don’t adhere to these standards you will be assumed to have lied.

    Operationalism is the actual epistemological criterion: what we can know is what we can reproduce in recipes of actions and measurements.

    —“This helped me.”—Andrew M Gilmour

  • Teach Applied P Not P-Method

    Teach Applied P Not P-Method https://propertarianism.com/2020/05/28/teach-applied-p-not-p-method/


    Source date (UTC): 2020-05-28 20:50:18 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266109566028320778

  • Teach Applied P Not P-Method

    Mar 20, 2020, 12:19 PM by Luke Weinhagen

    —“Then why are people so overwhelmed by P so often?”—

    Teaching people how to replicate P methodology and to produce P output is complex. (discovered-P/constructed-P) Teaching people how to consume P output is simple. (applied-P) We say to people “we have the answer” then they ask “Ok, what is it?” and we start teaching them how to construct P. But this is not the answer is it? This is how to find the answer – and we advertised that we already had the answer. So those seeking the answer get overwhelmed by lessons in methodology they never sought. How can they not be confused and overwhelmed? In offering the methodology in response to “What is the answer?” we create the perception that the only way to access the answer is to construct it yourself. It is the teachers curse. We value the “how” and the “why” and project that value onto anyone asking the “what”. We are conflating production and output. I think John’s success, and the success we are seeing ITV have, are at least in part because they de-conflate production and output and offer their audiences a consumable framing of output. (this is not a dumbing down, it is giving the market what it is specifically asking for – the answer). (CD: This was helpful. thanks)

  • Teach Applied P Not P-Method

    Mar 20, 2020, 12:19 PM by Luke Weinhagen

    —“Then why are people so overwhelmed by P so often?”—

    Teaching people how to replicate P methodology and to produce P output is complex. (discovered-P/constructed-P) Teaching people how to consume P output is simple. (applied-P) We say to people “we have the answer” then they ask “Ok, what is it?” and we start teaching them how to construct P. But this is not the answer is it? This is how to find the answer – and we advertised that we already had the answer. So those seeking the answer get overwhelmed by lessons in methodology they never sought. How can they not be confused and overwhelmed? In offering the methodology in response to “What is the answer?” we create the perception that the only way to access the answer is to construct it yourself. It is the teachers curse. We value the “how” and the “why” and project that value onto anyone asking the “what”. We are conflating production and output. I think John’s success, and the success we are seeing ITV have, are at least in part because they de-conflate production and output and offer their audiences a consumable framing of output. (this is not a dumbing down, it is giving the market what it is specifically asking for – the answer). (CD: This was helpful. thanks)

  • What Can the Average Person Grasp?

    What Can the Average Person Grasp? https://propertarianism.com/2020/05/28/what-can-the-average-person-grasp/


    Source date (UTC): 2020-05-28 20:48:02 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266108995724550148

  • What Can the Average Person Grasp?

    Mar 20, 2020, 1:04 PM By John Mark

    —“So moral-reasoning in P is not hard. But what about the Grammars, Testimonial Truth, Operational Language, Strictly Constructed Laws, and the Abrahamic Method of Deceit?”– CD

    What can the avg person grasp, and/or what do we need to give them a glimpse of out of necessity? Strictly Constructed Laws – even if they don’t understand the details, this can be sold as solution to activist judges and undermining of the constitution. (You did a great job explaining it on most recent P-constitition video interview.) Abrahamic Method – the term itself triggers Christians, but the basic concept of “don’t say anything that excuses a violation of reciprocity” is understandable by the avg person. Testimonial Truth – details a bit much for avg person, but concept that there’s a checklist courts use to figure out whether a public figure is lying, I think is understandable, and may be necessary to “sell” free truthful speech vs free speech. And the avg person may be able to understand certain aspects of it, such as the concept of lying by omission or lying by mixing 2 concepts/definitions together.

  • What Can the Average Person Grasp?

    Mar 20, 2020, 1:04 PM By John Mark

    —“So moral-reasoning in P is not hard. But what about the Grammars, Testimonial Truth, Operational Language, Strictly Constructed Laws, and the Abrahamic Method of Deceit?”– CD

    What can the avg person grasp, and/or what do we need to give them a glimpse of out of necessity? Strictly Constructed Laws – even if they don’t understand the details, this can be sold as solution to activist judges and undermining of the constitution. (You did a great job explaining it on most recent P-constitition video interview.) Abrahamic Method – the term itself triggers Christians, but the basic concept of “don’t say anything that excuses a violation of reciprocity” is understandable by the avg person. Testimonial Truth – details a bit much for avg person, but concept that there’s a checklist courts use to figure out whether a public figure is lying, I think is understandable, and may be necessary to “sell” free truthful speech vs free speech. And the avg person may be able to understand certain aspects of it, such as the concept of lying by omission or lying by mixing 2 concepts/definitions together.

  • So for Most People, for Most Uses, P Isn’t Hard

    So for Most People, for Most Uses, P Isn’t Hard. https://propertarianism.com/2020/05/28/so-for-most-people-for-most-uses-p-isnt-hard/


    Source date (UTC): 2020-05-28 20:45:37 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266108387705729024

  • So for Most People, for Most Uses, P Isn’t Hard.

    Mar 20, 2020, 6:14 PM

    —“Being too complex to understand is not necessarily a badge of honor.”–Mike Harvey

    Explanatory power is however a badge of honor. And complexity explains why it has taken until the 21st century to solve it. And, as Bill is trying to get across, applied P is not hard. The P Method is hard, but so is writing the law. The majority of questions are solved by the test of Reciprocity. The hard questions are solved by Testimony – which is reciprocity applied to truth claims. The rest is just understanding WHY. Programming is hard (operations). Economics is hard (equilibration). Disambiguation and serialization is hard. The via negativa is hard (falsification). Abandoning intuition in favor of systemic falsification is harder. And P uses all of that.