Category: Epistemology and Method

  • Understandable or Reasonable?

    Understandable or Reasonable? https://propertarianism.com/2020/05/29/understandable-or-reasonable/


    Source date (UTC): 2020-05-29 16:07:21 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266400748910317568

  • All Epistemic Processes Are the Same

    All Epistemic Processes Are the Same https://propertarianism.com/2020/05/29/all-epistemic-processes-are-the-same/


    Source date (UTC): 2020-05-29 16:02:35 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266399547150020608

  • All Epistemic Processes Are the Same

    Mar 6, 2020, 6:28 PM This might be hard. Yes, all epistemic processes are the same:

    sense-perception > auto-association > hypothesis(intuition) > theory(reason) > survival in market(demonstration) -> repeat.

    So it’s rather obvious that information move from sense perception(observation), to intuition(prediction), to reason (permutation), to action (demonstration), to observation in a continuous cognitive loop (continuous recursive). DECEIT 1. Emotional Influence (intuition, empathy): Bias, Wishful-Thinking, Loading-Framing,

    1. Cognitive Influence (Rational, sympathy): Suggestion, Obscuring, Overloading, Inflation, Conflation.
    2. Evidentiary Influence (empirical, imitation): Fiction, Fictionalism, Deceit

    3. Denial, and substitution of agreement/disagreement for truth/falsehood.

    FICTIONALISMS 3.1 Intuition(emotional-predictive) -> Occult-Supernatural -> vs realism, naturalism 3.2 Reason(rational-theoretical) -> Sophistry-Idealism -> vs Logic, incentives, rational choice 3.3 Action (physical-empirical) -> Magic-Pseudoscience -> vs Operationalism, Empiricism Technically speaking these are all methods of overloading our ability to detect constant and inconstant relations by appeal to emotional, rational, and evidentiary Edit

  • All Epistemic Processes Are the Same

    Mar 6, 2020, 6:28 PM This might be hard. Yes, all epistemic processes are the same:

    sense-perception > auto-association > hypothesis(intuition) > theory(reason) > survival in market(demonstration) -> repeat.

    So it’s rather obvious that information move from sense perception(observation), to intuition(prediction), to reason (permutation), to action (demonstration), to observation in a continuous cognitive loop (continuous recursive). DECEIT 1. Emotional Influence (intuition, empathy): Bias, Wishful-Thinking, Loading-Framing,

    1. Cognitive Influence (Rational, sympathy): Suggestion, Obscuring, Overloading, Inflation, Conflation.
    2. Evidentiary Influence (empirical, imitation): Fiction, Fictionalism, Deceit

    3. Denial, and substitution of agreement/disagreement for truth/falsehood.

    FICTIONALISMS 3.1 Intuition(emotional-predictive) -> Occult-Supernatural -> vs realism, naturalism 3.2 Reason(rational-theoretical) -> Sophistry-Idealism -> vs Logic, incentives, rational choice 3.3 Action (physical-empirical) -> Magic-Pseudoscience -> vs Operationalism, Empiricism Technically speaking these are all methods of overloading our ability to detect constant and inconstant relations by appeal to emotional, rational, and evidentiary Edit

  • Presentation on Systems of Thought

    Presentation on Systems of Thought https://propertarianism.com/2020/05/29/presentation-on-systems-of-thought/


    Source date (UTC): 2020-05-29 16:00:32 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266399031183511562

  • Falsification vs Underdetermination

    Falsification vs Underdetermination https://propertarianism.com/2020/05/29/falsification-vs-underdetermination/


    Source date (UTC): 2020-05-29 12:40:02 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266348576394940417

  • Falsification vs Underdetermination

    Mar 8, 2020, 1:57 PM

    —“Greetings, I’d like to know the extent to which propertarianism depends on falsificationism(understood as a concept in the philosophy of science) and as a consequence how it answers the criticisms raised against the notions since the 1950s, notably by Quine in “Two Dogmas of Empiricism”. Quote illustrating part of the argument: A physicist decides to demonstrate the inaccuracy of a proposition; in order to deduce from this proposition the prediction of a phenomenon and institute the experiment which is to show whether this phenomenon is or is not produced, in order to interpret the results of this experiment and establish that the predicted phenomenon is not produced, he does not confine himself to making use of the proposition in question; he makes use also of a whole group of theories accepted by him as beyond dispute. The prediction of the phenomenon, whose nonproduction is to cut off debate, does not derive from the proposition challenged if taken by itself, but from the proposition at issue joined to that whole group of theories; if the predicted phenomenon is not produced, the only thing the experiment teaches us is that among the propositions used to predict the phenomenon and to establish whether it would be produced, there is at least one error; but where this error lies is just what it does not tell us. ([1914] 1954, 185)”— We would need an example since there is nothing in the above example that is testable. It’s a thought experiment that depends upon contingencies that are themselves dependent upon deductions and presumptions that cannot be tested. In geometry his argument might stand. In physics it’s unlikely to stand. I think you are referring to underdetermination in the scientific method, which makes no sense. The scientific method serves only to tell us whether the speaker has the knowledge to make a truth claim. There is no via-positiva scientific method, only warranty of due diligence that one is testifying to observables, whether physical, logical, or experiential. That was the net result of the 20th century attempt at it. P completes that method in that it solves the problems of psychology and sociology, economics and politics. When we are talking about physics, we are currently at a physical testing limit given the costs of tests. In that sense, very little is testifiable. All we are doing is a lot of mathy trial and error.

  • Falsification vs Underdetermination

    Mar 8, 2020, 1:57 PM

    —“Greetings, I’d like to know the extent to which propertarianism depends on falsificationism(understood as a concept in the philosophy of science) and as a consequence how it answers the criticisms raised against the notions since the 1950s, notably by Quine in “Two Dogmas of Empiricism”. Quote illustrating part of the argument: A physicist decides to demonstrate the inaccuracy of a proposition; in order to deduce from this proposition the prediction of a phenomenon and institute the experiment which is to show whether this phenomenon is or is not produced, in order to interpret the results of this experiment and establish that the predicted phenomenon is not produced, he does not confine himself to making use of the proposition in question; he makes use also of a whole group of theories accepted by him as beyond dispute. The prediction of the phenomenon, whose nonproduction is to cut off debate, does not derive from the proposition challenged if taken by itself, but from the proposition at issue joined to that whole group of theories; if the predicted phenomenon is not produced, the only thing the experiment teaches us is that among the propositions used to predict the phenomenon and to establish whether it would be produced, there is at least one error; but where this error lies is just what it does not tell us. ([1914] 1954, 185)”— We would need an example since there is nothing in the above example that is testable. It’s a thought experiment that depends upon contingencies that are themselves dependent upon deductions and presumptions that cannot be tested. In geometry his argument might stand. In physics it’s unlikely to stand. I think you are referring to underdetermination in the scientific method, which makes no sense. The scientific method serves only to tell us whether the speaker has the knowledge to make a truth claim. There is no via-positiva scientific method, only warranty of due diligence that one is testifying to observables, whether physical, logical, or experiential. That was the net result of the 20th century attempt at it. P completes that method in that it solves the problems of psychology and sociology, economics and politics. When we are talking about physics, we are currently at a physical testing limit given the costs of tests. In that sense, very little is testifiable. All we are doing is a lot of mathy trial and error.

  • Advanced P-Testimonialism

    Advanced P-Testimonialism https://propertarianism.com/2020/05/29/advanced-p-testimonialism/


    Source date (UTC): 2020-05-29 12:30:47 UTC

    Original post: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266346246391787527

  • Advanced P-Testimonialism

    Mar 9, 2020, 11:37 AM Andrew M Gilmour and I discussing the order of the tests (falsifications) in testimony. In the discussion, Andrew is correctly comparing the Aristotelian Trivium’s order of testing statements: “How it exists, How we know it, and is it logical”, with the Testimonial method and asking why is the P-Testimony checklist in order that begins with categorical consistency, and logical consistency, then empirical, then operational. And we answer that question. ANDREW: For the most part I use the Trivium (Aristotelian) system. For an utterance to be true it must follow a specific order; and can be examined at each level for truth/accuracy: 1 – Ontic, how it exists (objective/subjective, mode of being, categories) 2 – Epistemic, how we know it (empirical, rational, falsification, justification) 3 – Logical, a thing becomes a logical entity once it exists and we know it. Grammatical, a logical entity can be named making it a grammatical entity. Rhetorical, a grammatical entity can be communicated. P-method seems to broadly use the classical method; but with a few tweeks to assist in disambiguation and enforce realism, naturalism, empiricism in speech. ERIC DANELAW Correct, realism, naturalism, operationalism, empiricism (causality), plus limits and completeness (defense against cherry picking), and rational choice and reciprocity (economics, morality). Updated to add physical science, economics, natural law, using programming rather than set logic. ANDREW M GILMOUR One thing that doesn’t make sense to me is your truth candidate order reverses logical and empirical from the traditional method. To me it cannot be a logical entity until it is known (epistemic) What was the reasoning behind this? ERIC DANELAW Great question. I organized from most simple and internal to most complex and external of the tests, when processing speech (text) in the sciences. Sometimes i’ll organize them for a specific problem. example ANDREW M GILMOUR Ok, in that list empirical precedes logic in the traditional way. So the order is only reversed to quicky disqualify a truth candidate. That order used is for efficiency, not absolute hierarchy of thought? ERIC DANELAW Not sure which question your asking. 1-the order is in ascending information (complexity) 2-that’s because it’s a checklist not a recipe 3-There are sets of related tests (see image above) … not-illogical, … not-impossible, … not-immoral, … not-incomplete, … not-unwarrantied. 4-Some questions do not require all tests (some questions are amoral for example) 5-Some questions rely on moral pretense, verbal pretense, or physical pretense. Some all three. 6-So it’s more a question of choosing the first tool for the job. I’m wondering if the shift from aristotelian presumption of honesty under idealism to testimonialism’s presumption of deceit under pseudoscience, sophistry, and immorality is what you’re intuiting. I think that might be the answer. In other words, the traditional “is the statement not false” under presumption of honesty and error, vs “is this person speaking falsely” under presumption of dishonesty and deception. I think that’s it. One of the first things I noticed in 09 or so, was that what I then considered the victorian and western in-group presumption of goodwill testing for error, was no longer sufficient for defeating the modern abrahamic presumption of dishonesty and undermining seeking deceit. So this is another example of ‘complete falsification’. I think the extension of that change has been that we’re much more ‘bots’ than ‘agents’. And that is why we’ve had to move from lying by design (via positiva) to lying by falure of due diligence (via negativa) So: Presumption of lack of agency. Presumption of deceit Presumption of deceit by failure of due diligence. Guilt by failure of due diligence not just intent. Make sense?